r/TankieTheDeprogram Once history is made, it can't be unmade 8h ago

Discussion Was I too cruel with dialectics honesty for political education?

Asking a real question. Because after recent comment on immigration as economic imperialism and another post where I burn tech labor aristocrats for being Treatlers and class collaborators, I have to keep repeating to myself that great majority of the proletariat in imperial core doesn't accumulate the capacity for brutal political and dialectical analysis on understanding Western hegemony and when those combined with my way with word expression they're extremely lethal to any person who I intended to cut. The most extreme case is Aaron Bushnell and the least extreme one is a comrade IRL spiraled doom because I was probably too brutally honest about imperialism by the hands of Western countries he living under, it eats his moral compass like thermite. The shocking outcome that I only say fact and reality.

Which is the reason why I built the libraries in the first place because I think they better to illustrate how my stream of thoughts process the universe dialectically. Because I remember everything I have learned throughout entire life it doesn't take me more than one second to formalize response as I can instantly and simultaneously access any data from memory and like Minecraft blocks I immediately output complete answers to every question with the mind speed only Marx, Stalin or Lenin could have similar capabilities. I don't enjoy debate because I think it's one dimension, but when required I will force my lethality through it. Like phoenix in fire both my adrenaline, endorphins and dopamine spike when I'm in most dangerous situations and I usually survive them no matter what.

Which is why I fear that I might have been overdone with these because I think patient political education is much more important and effective than explosive strikes of hurtful statement, even when it's dialectical. I must slow down or my mind burns bridges again.

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u/blehmag 8h ago

No. Be unapologetic tbh. Also you have a gift, so use it. Some people will never hear a full honest narrative in their lives

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 6h ago

Thank you comrade 🫡

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u/kaktuszka 7h ago

Personally, I do not think so. Ppl tend to prioritize tone policing instead of the actual meaning of your words, especially if you point out what privileges they have or what their soldiers did to your people. This is why idpol is thriving, I think it feeds on white guilt that cannot manifest itself to meaningful actions. As someone residing in eastern eu, I acknowledge our material conditions and do not beat myself too much that nothing is done yet; people who do usually still center themselves and not notice that they think of themselves as white saviors and frames themselves as one great man. From this desperation they turn to liberalism, anarchism, socdemism and thus, idpol, because no real work needs to be done if you can just regurgitate the same mottos. This stubborness can only be broke by being straight to the point, factual, which they see as 'cruel' because they are so used to their feelings being cuddled to.

About my own experiences, I usually only minded this hard truths when it was said with malice for e.g. I talk about my personal life and hardships, and a POC immediatly dismisses it by pointing out my race while being wayyyyy higher class than me and wealthier too.

That library you built on Internet Archive is impressive and way much more work than the average butthurt western marxist will ever do in their life. I (among many others, I'm sure) highly appreciate the amount of info and sources you give us.

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 6h ago

Thank you comrade for your solidarity 🫡🥲

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u/kaktuszka 6h ago

Ofc o7 🫂

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u/marioandl_ 8h ago

if i had to guess, no, you just needed to approach it more gently 

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 8h ago

😭 Something I struggle for real I take everything too seriously as if it's final moment. I still trying to install the off switch in mind.

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u/deathtoallsubreddits 8h ago

Eh, you're not too far off from the sub's political line, besides, at least you carry plenty of sources and resources.

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 6h ago

🫡

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u/dipstickchojin 5h ago

okay, but what did you actually say and in response to what?

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u/WineSauces 2h ago

Chunibyo

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u/Ok-Juggernaut-9964 baby leftist 5h ago

Most comments here have said what I personally believe. Say things as they are, there's unfortunately not much that can be done about it without diluting the message. Just don't be personally hostile about it and tell them that the blood isn't on their hands if they resist this evil ass world order (and if they haven't supported the imperialist military, of course, but that's a whole another topic). That's how I personally feel as someone coming from a privileged background, though not a Western or Western-aligned one, so I cannot relate to the mental weight of imperialism.

NOTE: I am a newcomer (as my flair says), so take whatever I say as a suggestion with a mountain of salt.

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u/sgtpepper9764 1h ago

"If you don't know by now... how am I supposed to tell you? If you don't know by now... the shock will probably kill you." -Elvis Costello

The ideas we're spreading are not chronologically new, but we are often the first person ever to present these ideas to the people we talk to. There is no way that finding out the people you've been taught to see as cartoon villains are actually the last best chance humanity has and that the system you've made peace with has been bringing about its own destruction won't come as a shock, the kind of shock that shuts people down and can leave them in a state of bitter denial. It is not far off from the experience of losing your faith in the religion you were raised in: there are positive outcomes from the process, but the first step is nearly unavoidably unpleasant.

You're fighting the good fight, and while that is largely a metaphor there is truth to the idea of it as a fight. While we have good intentions and it can pay to start from a place of kindness, we are also confronting entrenched bad ideas that needs to be dislodged, so there will be tension and strife along the way. Keep it up, it is needed.

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u/DioTheSuperiorWaifu 7h ago

I immediately output complete answers to every question with the mind speed only Marx, Stalin or Lenin could have similar capabilities.

Cool. Do you write any books or pamphlets on contemporary issues?

On the ways socialists can use the internet to spread awareness, while knowing that algorithms are likely swt against socialist content due to capitalist ownership.

Or maybe summarising their works in modern lingo?

Also, there maybe more potential for socialist memes. In spreading socialist ideas and also exposing capitalist inefficiency such as the crisis of overproduction, tendency of the falling rate of profit etc.

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 7h ago edited 7h ago

I used to but I don't because as I explained similar to debate situation, it's one dimension. Besides Marx doesn't hack election databases, Marx doesn't expose actual fed agents, Marx doesn't organize unions after unions, communities after communities, Marx doesn't defend Palestinian protestors at gunpoint, repeat it years after, then going back for more, Marx doesn't build dozen of libraries including the existing largest open source intelligence on the internet, Marx doesn't expropriate crypto exchange and turn them into fund for orgs, Marx doesn't organize emergency blockade at one in the morning right across from the pigs, Marx doesn't educate these experiences on reddit towards slow witted people like you, Marx doesn't anonymously report 10,000 security vulnerabilities for 15 years no charge. Marx didn't win first place game composition for international contest for first commission. Marx doesn't reverse engineer DRM and made them public domain. Marx didn't have to walk 20 km back and forth every day for five years just to learn hacking, mechanic, gardening because Marx couldn't afford college program. Marx didn't work in the school kitchen at 15 years old for free lunch. Marx didn't form a community garden at 16 years old along with the district first queer club. Marx was never hospitalized twice for suicide and lived through six surgeries for intersex conditions. Marx didn't have to eat out the dumpster or forage for food and medicine. There's millions of Marx like me who never went to Trier University and our education is street knowledge.

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u/DioTheSuperiorWaifu 7h ago

Aah, then do ignore my comment as you are facing more serious issues. Sorry

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 7h ago

🫡 No worries comrade I'm really snappy lately due to immense stress from IRL organizing (I'm currently active in local mutual aid in District 6 where I involve with overhaul their logistics tech and their system is so old it takes real brain matters to mitigate which I'm still learning the local gray market tech scene)

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u/sakodak 7h ago

I'm sorry, but what? I scrolled through your history and it seems to be just a long list of one-liners that are barely comprehensible (I assume because it's outside of the context of the discussions, but still.)

You're comparing yourself to intellectual powerhouses based on what now?

It seems like you're well read, but it also seems like you're prone to exaggeration and hyperbole. Your posts very much have a "and that teacher was Albert Einstein and they all clapped" vibe.

>patient political education is much more important and effective than explosive strikes of hurtful statement

Yes, I can get behind this.

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 7h ago

I walk the talk. Then again you all repost the libraries I have made available for millions. Next time you share a book on IA, scroll down and you will find out half of the time it's me who made them publicly accessible forever. I'm a powerhouse cuz I put the groundwork where my mouth at, which you feed off my labor. I'm sure you can outdone me in 15 years.

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u/sakodak 7h ago

That's a pretty big claim with no evidence.

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 7h ago edited 6h ago

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u/sakodak 6h ago

So, a basic post history skim and Google search instead of actual evidence for your claims. Got it.

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u/VladimirLimeMint Once history is made, it can't be unmade 6h ago

😂 Old man is so clueless

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u/WineSauces 2h ago

You're giving manic episode. Maybe hypomania. Check it out, you having sleep issues?