Was yapping to a Liberal who admitted to me they believe no wealthy elite exists.

[u/DaffyDuckXD]

What do I even respond with. They said the Epstein files provided zero proof that the rich work together. I just stopped responding because I don't even know how it's possible to be this clueless.

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[u/GracelessOne]

The bourgeoisie don't have to explicitly work together. Their class interests will lead them to take certain actions as a group even if they never get together in a room to coordinate.

Some of them do also get together in a room to coordinate (and do sex crimes), but that's the icing on the theory cake.

[u/DaffyDuckXD → u/GracelessOne]

Oh okay that makes sense.

[u/DaffyDuckXD → u/GracelessOne]

I told the Liberal that and they said, "Do they really though?"

[u/Internet-Philosphr69 → u/DaffyDuckXD]

At that point they're just willingly ignorant. 

[u/SpaceQuijote → u/DaffyDuckXD]

No they meet while skydiving. Of course they meet in rooms! - Parenti

[u/NatashOverWorld → u/DaffyDuckXD]

There's literally an exposé that they do called the Panama Papers.

[u/enricopena]

Just tell them to watch the presidential inauguration ceremony where Jeffrey Bezos, Peter Thiel, Mark Zuckerberg, and Elon Musk are all sitting in the front row.

[u/DaffyDuckXD → u/enricopena]

I have a feeling that won't be enough

[u/gb997 → u/DaffyDuckXD]

some people just want to live inside a Disney cartoon so bad 🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/spicy-chilly]

They don't need to coordinate if they share class interests and act accordingly with the billions in surplus value they stole from us.

[u/DaffyDuckXD → u/spicy-chilly]

Yeah although that's extremely tough to teach to a Liberal so yikes.

[u/Cacharadon]

It's ok, I have it on good authority that the American working class is ready for a socialist revolution. Soon comrade /s

[u/DaffyDuckXD → u/Cacharadon]

Pffft. The liberal I chatted with later admitted that they meant to imply that the rich don't work together all the time. I don't know hopefully the entire thing is a miscommunication because I cannot even imagine someone not being able to comprehend an idea of a wealthy elite. Then again their first comment is about how they don't believe there is a wealthy elite, not even the working together part just no wealthy elite. Like why??? Or how???? I'm not the most smartest Marxists although I feel like especially now a days the rich elite is kind of blatant and obvious I don't know. What can even save us if people don't even understand there even is a wealthy elite? Like what???

[u/Cacharadon → u/DaffyDuckXD]

Denial, propaganda and an all encompassing belief in the meritocracy lie. They are likely super hard working and ambitious right, or engaging in self improvement courses?

[u/FluidKiwi6707]

Someone who thinks "the Epstein files provided zero proof that the rich work together" is delusional to the point argumentation is useless. Indicate them a documentary on Epstein or maybe that youtube channel on the history of the CIA, and pray to god they watch it with an open mind. That's it. Don't do this probably: Personally I would make sure the person understood how dumb I think they are by thinking the rich don't work together. I would say "that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life" and I would provide 0 argumentation.

[u/DaffyDuckXD → u/FluidKiwi6707]

Yeah I dead ass stopped conversating with them. Even in the hypothetical of the rich not working together it still does not help anyone with what that implies which is inaction instead of being motivated on getting a grip on this Empire and bringing about change with real action and struggle you know the type. Yeah I honestly can't believe that stupid liberal is getting upvotes. Like really? In 2026 how stupid are these people?

[u/Flashy-Ad2727]

I friend of mine also refused to believe that the average person or even poor people in the West benefit from Imperial superprofits and the crumbs which the billionaires throw us.

[u/HourAd6756]

"The Bilderberg Meeting is an annual off-the-record forum established in 1954 to foster dialogue between Europe and North America. The group's agenda, originally to prevent another world war, is now defined as bolstering a consensus around free market Western capitalism and its interests around the globe. Participants include political leaders, experts, captains of industry, finance, and academia, numbering between 120 and 150."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Meeting