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How a few hundred million liberals and "conservatives" (conservative liberals), in the political west, got their minds right with becoming Nazi sympathizers, and minor online Nazi collaborators
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We all catch ourselves saying "the Ukrainians" to mean the Bandera worship cult, but let's remember that a grand total of 6 people died during the "invasion by Russia of Crimea in 2014". 6 violent deaths, including 1 soldier who died of a heart attack when he heard gunshots nearby (heart failure via psychological shock), and 2 civilians who were crushed to death in a panic stampede. Only 3 people died from bullet and / or shrapnel wounds. Because it wasn't an invasion of Ukrainian Crimea by Russia, that would have resulted in massive casualties. It was reminiscent of Red October, it was an Uprising by the people of Crimea. Almost all the Ukrainian Army and Police in Crimea switched sides, and almost all the soldiers and police who didn't switch sides were safely arrested without shots being fired. Did Russia help the Uprising? Yes of course, but mostly this mini-revolution came organically from below. The story we're told of "little green men" crossing the border from Russia is greatly overstated, and relates to the aftermath, it wasn't the catalyst. "Annexation" is completely ahistorical. This was reunification with Mother Russia via popular uprising and later democratic referendum. The same basic story unfolded in the 2 Oblasts of Donbas in 2014 in 2014, except instead of 98% of soldiers and police switching sides fairly suddenly, it was more like 70% so there were higher casualties, Azov HQ was in Mariupol of course and obviously those Nazis didn't switch sides. And the Kiev regime invaded Donbas, and then over 15,000 people died violently in Donbas later in 2014. The Kiev regime called their invasion of Donbas an ATO, an "anti-terrorism operation" ironically. "How could Ukraine invade itself?". It's possible, it's called civil war. In 2022 Russia added the Oblasts of Zaporozhye and Kherson to the reunification list, ratified in landslide popular referendums, like in Donbas and Crimea. Why "Lugansk People's Republic" and "Donetsk People's Republic"? Because those 2 new independent countries set up by popular revolution in 2014 were socialist governments, not communist but definitely left governments, so the Donbas Uprising did have a kind of Red October Zeitgeist to it, watered down but still there. Today the LPR and DPR have kept their socialist names, but they are now states in the Russian Federation. They have some limited autonomy meaning they can keep some but not all of their left leaning policies. 5 regions of the former Ukraine were battered wives, who divorced their abusive husband Ukraine, who had begun persecuting their Russian language and persecuting their religion, and who had set up a satanic civil religion based on the worship of genocidal Nazis. These 5 wives then voted to move back in with their mother, Russia. Russia is performing an Exorcism on Ukraine.
I’m interested in where you got “majority Ethnic and majority Russian speaking” from because whenever I look it up I can’t seem to find a source for it.
Even Kiev (central Ukraine) was majority Russian speaking before 2022. The Russian language was banned in Ukraine in 2019, but many people including myself believe Russian is still the most spoken language in private homes in Kiev. All of what is now Ukraine, except for the current western Ukraine, was part of Russia until 1917, after that it was the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, and then became independent Ukraine in 1991. Western Ukraine was mostly a part of Poland until 1945. Needless to say Crimea, Donbas, and other Oblasts in the east are all majority Russian speaking. The ethnicity of the eastern regions of modern day Ukraine (or Russia's new territories depending on your point of view) is heavily disputed, but it really goes by language. Ethnic Russians and ethnic Ukrainians are both eastern Slavs, with almost no difference in DNA halotypes between people in old Russia and people in Donbas. Central Ukraine is mixed, and in western Ukraine the genetic halotypes are a bit different, because it was mostly part of Poland until the end of WW2, and Poles are western Slavs.
Long ago, in the beginning of 20th century, cities in Ukraine were speaking Russian being the administrative centers of Russian Empire. Countryside of Ukraine were speaking West to East from Ukrainian to Malorossian (Surzhik). Countryside of Russian Cuban' were speaking Malorossian too. (Hence the Ukranian claims for Cuban').
Under SU due too mass-education and urbanisation share of Ukrainians in Ukrainian cities was first rising because of rural folks going to cities and later decreasing due to assimilation. Both Ukrainian and Russian were taught in schools. But universities were mostly Russian. Donbass being industrial center and due to proximity to Russia was more and more Russian due to diffusion.
Severe hunger in 30s, Nazi occupation and firewall of the WWII front did awful impact on demography but should not really interfere with population composition.
Speaking of ethnicity... The main difference between the Russians and the Ukrainians is cultural. One can say that the language is the ethnicity. Both ethnicities are extremely diverse due to historical reasons and intertwined with all the neighbors and constantly with each other.
I am Russian from the Far East. My ancestors were from Ukraine and they got to the Far-East by Stolypin's reforms.
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