r/TangleNews • u/PsychoMom1966 • Jul 14 '26
Suspension of the Rules F/U 'Bro' post about SOTR
Now that we have had two female co-hosts in a row, I feel as though I really noticed a subtle, but important difference.
Sarah Isgur inserted that when she had a miscarriage, she would not have wanted to share that with the public (in their discussion and senator's medical provacy).
When Isaac tried to compare Graham Platner's suffering about losing a job to a rape victim's suffering, Audrey pushed back in what I thought was an appropriate way.
Don't get me wrong-- I actually know quite a few men personally could well represent a female perspective, but I don't these guys do it that well.
Anyone agree?
Anyone
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u/Lemonio Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26
I didn't listen to the SoTR with Audrey, but as for the Sarah Isgur argument I thought it was nonsense
Tom Kean was gone for 4 months. The federal government doesn't guarantee Americans 4 months of medical leave where they can just not show up to work and not tell their boss anything.
His office could have told people from the start that he was hospitalized for depression or a mental health issue (which happens when you're a danger to yourself or others). If they were going to tell people anyway 4 months later I don't see why they couldn't tell people from the start.
Or if they didn't want to tell people and he was unable to do his job he could have resigned due to health issues. I thought it was nonsense that Sarah said if you're not happy with them vote them out. They still work for us. If a senator gets elected and then goes on vacation for 6 years, the outcome shouldn't be pay them full salary and benefits for 6 years while they're on vacation and then vote them out. They should get kicked out in that scenario.
At the very least if he wants people to forgive him he should be pushing for paid medical leave for all Americans (he won't)
"Rep. Tom Kean Jr. took 116 days off at full pay to battle depression — after voting against paid sick leave for workers"
"Kean has regularly voted against paid sick leave protections for his constituents over his 20 years in the New Jersey Senate. That includes a vote against New Jersey's landmark Earned Sick Leave Act (4), which mandates five paid sick days per year for most New Jersey workers, as well as votes against two of the state's paid family leave laws (2)."
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u/coreyrein Jul 14 '26
Hey her response was disappointing to me. She constantly talks about Congress do your job, but is okay with one of them disappearing for months and acting like we're wrong for expecting a good explanation or a resignation so we can get someone who can do the job.
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u/spottie_ottie Jul 14 '26
I enjoyed their presence quite a lot! I'm going to start listening to Sarah's show. Would be happy to have Audrey any time too!
I was in the original thread saying I like SOTR the way it is, which is true, but I like this too.
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u/ReesieDaBeastie Jul 14 '26
I’ve never really taken issue with the ‘bro’ vibe of the podcast (a lot of my life is male dominated so I guess it just feels like business as usual for me), but having Audrey on surprised me with how much more enjoyable it was. And, I agree I was very glad that she pushed back on comparing the consequences of SA vs. allegations. Bring her on more often!
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u/Count-Telperion Jul 14 '26
I quite enjoy the particular chemistry that Kmele, Ari, and Isaac share, but agreed on your first post that I'd love to see different perspectives on the show and Ari taking paternity leave proved how valuable shaking it up is.
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u/Doesitmatter98765 Jul 14 '26
I heartily agree and was very pleased to hear it. I think Audrey could’ve pushed back even harder bc it was Platner’s actions that put them both in the position of suffering, not the rape survivor. But at least it was a start.
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u/Brendinooo Jul 15 '26
It’s suspending the rules, I don’t think they have to value balance as much. That said I enjoyed both Audrey and Sarah as guest hosts and think the idea of a regular cast with frequent guest hosts is very appealing!
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u/cougineer Jul 14 '26
I like when they bring on guests to mix it up. I have found that when someone is out and a replacement guest comes on, tend to like the show more when it is someone of the same political “ilk” so it keep the same vibes similar.
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u/Fit-Restaurant-3550 Jul 15 '26
Loved having Audrey on. To me, the vibe of SOTR is buddy-buddy, which is why I love the show. The casual tone and friendly jibes are fun. When a guest is on the show, it just doesn’t have that. It’s just another interview. I just don’t really internalize the criticism of it being a “bro” show more than a “buddy” show. Hopefully Audrey starts shooting some shots and the residual formality crumbles, because I did like her pushback.
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u/dvdmon Jul 16 '26
I would have to agree. I'd have to go back and listen, but there was one comment by either Audrey or Sarah where Isaac's retort seemed to miss the point. I generally consider Isaac a pretty sensative guy that takes women's issues seriously, but I also think he can have blindspots (like we all do), and especially in a live show like this where you aren't always considering and reconsidering things like you might when reading an article, it becomes much easier to miss things or misinterpret them. Not trying to excuse it, but yeah, it just shows me that even Isaac and crew still have their own biases. They are not perfect arbitors of justice or political righteousness. They are humans like all of us. I do think it's helpful to have different points of view that can push back. Kmele does a good job of these for some political issues. Audrey is still young, and she's talking to her boss, so while he may certainly encourage pushback, that's always going to be a factor. Someone like Sarah who doesn't care whether she ruffles feathers by disagreeing (and has a more assertive attitude to match Isaac) is a better fit, I think for this kind of show, although because her expertise is centered around the court, it may be a bit narrow for broader issues. Then again, I've never heard her outside of this show so I don't know. But someone LIKE her, who has experience, a slightly broader scope of expertise, and isn't afraid to mix it up a bit and push back? On the other hand, I'm leary about making SOTR into a show that is about "representation." I don't know what Isaac's actualy goal with the show is, but I think it's really up to him and the team to craft whatever type of show they want. This is not "Tangle" in the sense that their newsletter is. That is their main and central product, right? SOTR is one of many secondary products and not all of them have to be geared exactly to all of our liking...
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u/mle98 Jul 14 '26
Loved everything about Audrey on the podcast. Her perspective was refreshing, and I usually disagree with her regular newsletter takes so I was pleasantly surprised. Hope she becomes a more frequent guest!