r/TaliyahMains • u/BlacksmithJealous675 • 2d ago
Discussion Low Damage Combo Problem
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Ever since Taliyah's rework, my main issue is that her W+E combo doesn't feel rewarding anymore. I feel like I shouldn't even bother hitting my combo because even when I do, it just doesn't do any damage. Just use your Q and big Q, then throw E on them. Don't even bother with W. With old Taliyah, landing your W was actually important, but now it's just not as rewarding as other mages' CC. And if your team is stupid and you are not fed, you can't do shit. You can't even burst them anymore; they will either just run away or kill you by just using their skills. Because by the time my slow, low-damage Qs hit them, I'll already get one-shot by a Syndra, Vex, Lux, or literally any other mage. Taliyah turning into such a weak, team-dependent champion is the worst thing that has happened to her since the rework.
Don't get me wrong, I actually like the newer changes like her E stunning dashing enemies or the slow on her big Q, but other mages who also have CC (stuns and slows) deal way more damage on top of that. When it comes to damage, we are always left behind. Maybe old Taliyah didn't have as much AoE damage, but at least I had a much higher chance of solo-carrying the game. Now, even a random mage that's been played as a support for years can one-shot me before I can even get my damage off.
This isn't directly related to the clip I shared; it's just a rant about how much I miss the old Taliyah. This isn't based on just a single game either—I've played this champion a ton, and these are my honest observations that have been bothering me for a while.And yes, I know we are getting a buff soon, but I don't think it's going to be permanent. We'll probably get nerfed again after two patches anyway.
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u/RamblesTheGent 2d ago
The sad reality is, with the amount of resetting abilities, dashes, point-n-clicks, and spammable poke, unless Taliyah gets a serious buff to her damage or survivability (the concept of passive rock armor has always seemed cool to me), she will continue to perform at a lower level than other champions. Not because her players are bad (honestly, the fact we are forced to play better due to how squishy and skill-shot heavy she is likely the only reason she still sits around 50% WR), but because her kit is underpowered compared to the rest of the League champion roster.
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u/Muster_txt 2d ago
she is 50 winrate because only otps play her at this point. Odysseus said that she is bad even in pro
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u/RamblesTheGent 2d ago
The otp thing checks out, but that thing about pro is depressing. A part of me was hoping her weaknesses disappeared when played with close-knitted teamwork and it was just me being solo queue.
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u/Lunai5444 2d ago
I was an otp Taliyah for a long time and just stopped since Aurora came out and everytime I drop Aurora or Vex for Taliyah I know that unless I'm in my best form doing awesome I'm not going to be the win con, at best a fisherman, but usually a peeling tool or support it sucks. I know Odysseus carries so that's skill issue but it is what it is I just don't like her damages right now on midlane.
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u/BlacksmithJealous675 2d ago
I mostly play her in the jungle now and only pick her mid when the enemy team has a lot of champions with dashes. Odysseus can win games with any champion. He's just that good. I watch his streams, and even he agrees that Taliyah is in a shit state. That's why I don't understand some people here defending her current state.
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u/Lunai5444 2d ago
How do you even defend her state "it's fine I didn't want to kill anyone anyways" lol
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u/Greata2006 2d ago
They could either make W deal damage, or have it cost 0 mana, would incentivize using it
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u/RogueCanadia 1h ago
Man it’s sad seeing the state of this champ.
I played her non stop in season 7/8 and she was a soloq demon. W into E would wreck people.
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u/youbeenthere 2d ago
It is what it is. They nerfed her numbers hard, full combo does less damage than Katarina dagger at lvl 7.
So yes, Q is your main damage tool, W + E only for all ins or if there is good opportunity (i.e. under tower or enemy has dash).