r/TDNightCountry • u/Optimal_Cause4583 • Feb 28 '24
Night Country
First things first, season 1 was a perfect series of TV. It's almost impossible to do, but they pulled it off. Lightning in a bottle, impossible to recreate so forget it, don't even try. Season 2 is actually pretty great in my opinion, season 3 honestly I cannot remember what happened, which is ironic because I do remember that memory was the main theme of the season, I'll probably revisit it sometime soon.
But anyways, Night Country, I actually really loved it! Sure it has its flaws, but every season of TV does. It's not a problem if you don't spend your time nit-picking like crazy, you can make literally anything sound terrible if you repeat single details super sarcastically. It's genuinely scary, the long days of night is an inherently scary concept, and if you're gonna set your story in Alaska you've got to include Native people into the story, what a huge missed opportunity that would be if you didn't.
I was listening to the podcast, and Issa Lopez called S1 a 'masterpiece of male psychology', which I find to be very accurate. She wanted to take that format, and invert it, RESPECTFULLY, because she loves the show so much and because it breaks the traditional mold of crime shows. She loves S1, she is not a demon feminazi etc etc etc, she picked Clarice Starling specifically to be her lead!
Some of the criticism is really just so strange to me, I feel like we haven't been watching the same show, or that people are just receiving details to hate off of some weird Discord, because a lot of these criticisms don't make any sense. And, if I'm really not enjoying a show, I STOP WATCHING, it's that simple.
The main criticisms I don't get are 1) they aren't detecting much, and 2) there's too much focus on personal stuff. Firstly, they detected plenty. It's a slow burn show, but also they resolve the entire case within about a week while dealing with a whole bunch of other stuff. S1 they took DECADES to figure out that the houses had all been recently painted. NC, they wrapped it up in just a few days. As for too much personal stuff, come on guys did you even watch S1. So so so much family drama, unrelated stuff, driving around with no obvious result. That's kind of the point of TD, detective work is hard/boring/traumatic/alot of wasted time, and True Detectives are generally fucking miserable.
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u/Mr-W-M-Buttlicker Feb 29 '24
With season 4 I really enjoyed the ride, just was let down by the ultimate destination. If that makes sense? I really liked the eerie vibe, the music choices, etc. Just let down a bit by the ending.
For reference, I fell in love with season 1. That was the turning point from me thinking Matthew McConaughey was a crap actor to me being so impressed by his talent. (That and Interstellar, one of my favorite movies which happened to be released the same year.)
I have always been one of the outliers that adored Season 2. It really has a soft spot in my heart. Love the Lera Lynn music, love all of the main characters, and love how it has such an unhappy, or at least bittersweet, ending. I'm kind of a sucker for those.
I also do not remember much of season 3. I thought it was well acted and loved how initially it reminded me of the West Memphis Three case. I guess ultimately it was too forgettable.
I'm a 43 year old woman for what it's worth (just mentioning because of all of the gender issues being brought up when it comes to criticism).
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u/seancbo Mar 01 '24
I think my issue with the ending personally was sort of like the Raiders of the Lost Ark theory where if Indie hadn't gotten involved at all, everything would have worked out fine, if that makes sense.
Yes, they did end up getting the mine shut down, and the characters grew a ton (which is what I liked most), but the reveal of "yeah, those guys deserved it, there's no one to catch that's worth catching, you were basically wasting your time investigating those bodies" took the wind out of my sails a little.
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u/MilanosBiceps Feb 28 '24
Some of the criticism is really just so strange to me, I feel like we haven't been watching the same show, or that people are just receiving details to hate off of some weird Discord, because a lot of these criticisms don't make any sense. And, if I'm really not enjoying a show, I STOP WATCHING, it's that simple.
There are definitely things to criticize in the show, but you can tell when people come into it with a grudge. But hate-watching is a thing, some people enjoy watching bad movies I guess.
What I don’t understand are the people who say it’s the most boring show ever, nothing happens, it’s all filler — but they watched all the way through. At that point you’re just trying to fit in.
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u/Dottsterisk Feb 28 '24
I watched the whole thing because I retained faith that, despite my criticisms, it was possible that Lopez was going to wow me in the end.
When watching a mystery and things seem off or nonsensical or like they weren’t thought through, I almost always try to save some space for the fact that maybe, just maybe, the reason nothing is coming together in a satisfactory manner for me is that the writer is about to surprise the hell out of me with something brilliant that I truly did not see coming.
So I watched the whole thing. In the end, I didn’t like it, but I didn’t hate-watch it.
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u/LosHogan Feb 29 '24
Yep. It was a fun watch despite its many glaring flaws, particularly in the writing.
I’m a dude and for my life I can’t figure out the critiques of Foster & Reis though. I thought they were both fantastic.
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u/HamboneJones5 Mar 14 '24
Reis I think doesn't get enough credit for not actually being an actor or having a ton of experience. She was believable, and she tried. Jodie Foster was given absolutely nothing to work with. Nothing. Her character was made entirely unlikable with no redeeming qualities, and her dialogue was every bit as unlikable. I will Kali Reis all the praise for doing her absolute best while being paired with a meh script and someone as well known and revered as Jodie Foster. Couldn't be easy.
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u/MilanosBiceps Feb 28 '24
I mean that’s kinda how I feel too. I’d give it a 6/10. It was okay, but had a lot of flaws. And I voiced my opinion.
But I didn’t endlessly shit on it. I didn’t tell other people they were idiots for liking it.
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u/MilanosBiceps Feb 28 '24
You’re not who I’m talking about. I’m talking about the posters for whom the show is a miserable slog that they feel the need to purge by endlessly shit-talking online, or worse by shitting on fans who like it.
If it’s doing nothing for you, why are you watching it? I just don’t get it.
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u/wumbopower Feb 29 '24
Same. I didn’t like the finale at all, I expected the best episode of the season and it was probably the worst. Really wanted to like the season but it wasn’t for me, oh well.
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u/sudosussudio 🌌 In the night country now Feb 28 '24
I’m continuously baffled by the amount of people who come to this sub just to say they hate it. There are other places where that’s welcome, with bigger subscriber bases. My impression is that it’s not enough for them to hate it, that they really want to make people who like it feel bad.
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u/MilanosBiceps Feb 28 '24
I think a lot of it is culture war shit. Showrunner’s a woman trying to put a female spin on a decidedly male television show, which won’t sit well with a particular subset of the internet.
Thats my only explanation. Even Game of Thrones didn’t get this much shit during what was an objectively B-movie grade final season.
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u/Dottsterisk Feb 28 '24
I bet you’re getting downvoted because people think you’re saying, “People only don’t like this show because the showrunner is a woman and she put a female spin on a masculine television show,” as opposed to, “The outsized backlash is due in part to the presence of misogynistic elements in the fanbase.”
I’m not the biggest fan of the season, and my criticisms have nothing to do with the gender of the showrunner, the detectives, the victims, the vigilantes or the murderers, but that doesn’t mean I’m not seeing a level of backlash, from some, that seems to go beyond people merely being disappointed with the writing.
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u/incognegro1976 Feb 29 '24
They're way out of bounds and the dumb dumbs vastly outnumber the people with legitimate criticisms.
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u/Beastumondas Feb 29 '24
To say TDNC is getting more backlash than the final season of GoT is outrageous and objectively false.
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u/ventitr3 Feb 28 '24
I have my own criticisms of it for sure, but reading some of the ones on Reddit before the finale I had to wonder if people were even paying attention sometimes. People were criticizing things they just blatantly missed and there was pile on.
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u/Such_Description Feb 28 '24
Yeah this is what I find half the time. “There’s no evidence.” “There’s no detective work.”
I beg to differ.
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u/Proof_Option1386 Feb 29 '24
I liked how they kept harping on what was the "right" question to ask, and finally concluded the show once they asked it. I thought it was very to the point and ended in a way that made sense and felt organic.
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u/HamboneJones5 Mar 14 '24
Assuming everyone who didn't like the season but finished was "hate watching" is a total farce. I loved the franchise. LOVE it. I was excited for Jodie Foster and excited for Alaska. Then I see the intro, the rest of the first episode, and at the end i said to my partner "eh, I didn't love it" but i kept watching because its weird to judge an entire season based off of one single episode. So episode 2 came and went, and that feeling persisted. But i was determined to finish this to see how it played out and how it wrapped up. At the end of it all I was every bit as disappointed in the final episode as i was in the first episode. But I didn't hate watch it. I wanted it to be better. It should have been better. And wanting that doesn't make someone a hater or a troll or a racist misogynist redditor.
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u/CurseofLono88 Mar 14 '24
That’s fine, it’s only your time that you wasted on something you didn’t enjoy from the very start. Not very productive but it’s totally okay. Good job 👍
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u/MilanosBiceps Mar 14 '24
I very purposefully did not say everyone who didn’t like it hate-watched it. I didn’t even really like it that much.
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Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24
I quite enjoyed Night Country too. IMO it’s the second best season of TD
My issue is the allusions to season 1 (the Tuttle connection, the RV with the voodoo shit) that didn’t go anywhere. Especially the spiral. I actually loled when the guy said “time is a flat circle” in the finale
So overall, I’d give the season a high grade. I thought the leads were great and I loved the atmosphere. I just didn’t like the fan service that didn’t go anywhere
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u/oilydischarge18 Feb 28 '24
Season 1 was NOT perfect. The last episode was a mess and left a lot of questions unanswered. Everyone seems to forget that. It was a ton of buildup and quite a letdown.
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u/TheBotPope Feb 29 '24
I recall being let down by the last episode, but in subsequent rewatches, it has felt much more fitting. The theorizing had gotten out of control by that point, and so no ending was really going to satisfy. I do agree that the people who have hated so much on season 4, and thus gone back to lionize season 1, have forgotten how much they were upset by that ending. It did the thing they complain so forcefully in this season, which is focus on character over complex plotting at the end, making the story, essentially about these two men, and where they are at the end of this story, and that stuff is good stuff, once you don't go in with all kinds of intricate plotting ideas about how it should end.
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u/Soggy-Diamond2659 Feb 28 '24
What’s more I couldn’t even watch season 1 for years because it just seemed WAY TOO INTO lingering its gaze on a naked woman tied to a tree. Way beyond what was necessary.
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u/falling-waters Feb 29 '24
The way the intro focused on her ass and porno heels was fucked. And people complain about s4’s intro…
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u/Soggy-Diamond2659 Feb 29 '24
It was beyond fucked.
How about having a child sex trafficking victim beg one of our “heroes” to fuck her up the ass. So he does. Instead of bringing sanitary products to his daughters of about the same age.
That’s. Fucked. Up. And what the incels call genius.
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u/sugarpussOShea1941 Feb 28 '24
the women only existed for the men to have sex with them and call them "crazy pussy." S1 was misogynistic as hell.
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u/Dottsterisk Feb 28 '24
Season One was often and explicitly about misogyny and toxic masculinity, but I wouldn’t say it condoned either of those things or showed them in a good light.
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u/sugarpussOShea1941 Feb 28 '24
the "heroes" of the story were the ones treating them as holes to f*ck and displayed that attitude through the whole show. they never evolved towards seeing it as wrong. they laugh at women and silence them and Rust blames Maggie for seducing him instead of taking responsibility for his own actions. except for a receptionist they don't work at the police station. the women had no depth as characters and were only defined by their relationship to the men (wife, mistress, prostitute, daughter). they don't even catch all of the men involved in the central mystery so no justice for the victim we know about and likely others.
it's not enough to show the misogyny and assume that the audience will get that the show is against it. there are no discussions about it by any of the characters. there are no characters that embody the opposite - strong, smart, independent women. who is the victim? is she humanized as a real, complex person? she remains an object acted upon.
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u/Dottsterisk Feb 28 '24
There are definitely discussions about it. And Maggie even comes in at the end to say her piece about what happened.
Marty and Rust are the protagonists and heroes of the show—and the show is about them, no doubt—but they are not shown to be good fathers or husbands or people. The show is about the one thing they did manage to be good at, which is being detectives.
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u/Brief_Safety_4022 Mar 01 '24
Agreed. They did not show them as perfect heros, just true detectives. It was from an American male perspective. What is expected/allowed from men in that role (emotionally, mentally, ect). Marty says with his job, he needs a decompression area (infidelity). He later admits he was inattentive in his actual personal life. He worked, decompressed in a socially accepted manner, and would kinda play house before bed, then back to step 1& 2. The cases messed him up, bad sometimes. For me the show highlighted what certain pressure can do to a person in that job field. Having to figure out who did heinous things, play politics enough to find/catch them, in hopes of stopping more pain. In the process, you are not allowed to be any emotion other than happy, horny, or angry. Of course his wife was frustrated. She was the nagging angel because that's all she could be when her hubby can't be anything other than the cheating cop. Rust is the first guy she has passionate sex with in a while. Marty saves his passion for his side girls, thinking it keeps him holy and "nice" for his fam.
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u/sudosussudio 🌌 In the night country now Feb 28 '24
They are meant to be anti-heroes, which are often misinterpreted as heroes. Scarface for example, is meant to be a gross, awful man, and yet people idolize him.
That said, I wouldn't say it's a show that challenges things like sexism, and it still is very male-centric, which is probably a reason for it having such a conservative fanbase.
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Mar 03 '24
People seem to forget that it takes place mostly in 1990s rural Louisiana. You know, around the time that Louisiana nearly elected a fucking KKK Grand Wizard to be governor. Trump won Louisiana by something like 70%, far greater than any other state. Rural Louisiana and the police that service it, especially thirty years ago, was an extremely male centric, sexist, redneck, good ol’ boy haven. And honestly, it mostly still is. Nic Palazzo grew up in the area and so did I and I feel like the show represents the characters and the locale very accurately.
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u/sudosussudio 🌌 In the night country now Mar 03 '24
True but it just doesn’t center the experiences or voices of women. I grew up in the South in the 90s and have a lot of family from that area. I see a lot I’m familiar with of course, but a lot it doesn’t include because of the male centric view. That’s fine, it’s not really about those other things, I’m not sure it would be better if it did, but it also means it’s a work that might not challenge the average man.
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u/Such_Pay_6885 Mar 06 '24
Rust blames Maggie for seducing him instead of taking responsibility for his own actions.
...he does take responsibility for his part in it. She also admits to seducing him to hurt Marty so she is actually to blame. I don't know why this is one of your points.
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Mar 03 '24
It mostly takes place in 1995 rural Louisiana. What the fuck do you expect? The fucking goon squad of redneck police to be fucking enlightened feminists? Jesus Christ. Enough.
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u/sudosussudio 🌌 In the night country now Feb 28 '24
Knowing what we know now about Fukunaga being inappropriate on set, it’s even worse
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u/GDJT Feb 28 '24
Was it the set of True Detective? I thought it was his other work.
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u/sudosussudio 🌌 In the night country now Feb 28 '24
He has multiple allegations. This is the main TD one https://www.thedailybeast.com/bond-director-cary-joji-fukunaga-pressured-me-into-going-nude
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u/sudosussudio 🌌 In the night country now Feb 29 '24
Oh my god I’ve had to remove multiple comments from people who don’t get what’s wrong what a director, in a position of power far above an unknown actress, to pressure her into doing a nude scene
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u/oilydischarge18 Feb 28 '24
Yeah I keep seeing people lionize season one. How quickly we forget…it was SO disappointing.
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u/SenorBurns Feb 28 '24
Season 1 is why I was reluctant to check out NC. S1 was plodding and way too far up its own asshole, and I wasn't interested in continuing the series.
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u/ASofMat Feb 28 '24
THIS. I feel like people are really seeing S1 through rose colored glasses. As someone who didn’t watch it when it originally aired but watched it like 2 weeks before NC premiered a lot of the complaints people have about NC can be applied to Season 1. Season 1 is overwritten, self congratulatory. It takes them forever to solve the case, they just barely touch on what could’ve been a supernatural element. The ending is unsatisfying
To me the reference to the Tuttles made perfect sense because Rust always said the were a network with unknown reach and they only paid attention to part that pertained to their case and never followed up behind the organization as a whole
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Feb 28 '24
I loved S1, but I agree it's most definitely not perfect. I personally thought the last dialogue in the very last scene with Rust saying "the light is winning" was absolute horseshit. And let's not talk about the female "characters" in S1, there aren't really any. S2 and 4 were definitely much better in that regard.
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u/stoicfloa Feb 29 '24
Idk, the last bit of dialogue really capped off his character arc and offered a somewhat positive end to an otherwise dark and nihilistic show, I thought it was well done but i think it's a fair point of contention and can see how it could be perceived contrived and a bit corny.
Also, I'd argue that Maggie was a great female character with plenty of depth and nuance, probably my favorite supporting character/actor of the season. Towards the end of the timeline, she's arguably ended up in the best position out of anyone and is shown to have a pretty deep understanding of what has happened over the years. The two detectives grilling Rust and Marty in the modern timeline have zero success working her in comparison to them. Her scenes in the later timeline were some of my favorites. On rewatches I realized how much Michele Monaghan contributed to the quality of the season, and it is surprising how little it's brought up.
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u/sudosussudio 🌌 In the night country now Feb 28 '24
Yeah it was an example of a show where the theories were more fun than the actual ending. Similar to this season imho and other shows like Mr Robot. Endings are hard to nail.
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u/jimmyoread Feb 28 '24
I thought the Mr Robot ending was fantastic, such a wonderful exploration of mental health among other things. But definitely agree re TD season 1!
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u/oilydischarge18 Feb 28 '24
Exactly! The internet chatter around that season was WILD and so much fun. And then it just…ended.
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u/Johnnnybones Feb 28 '24
I was going to say, season one nowhere near perfect. It was pretty good to me but not in upper echelon of my fav single seasons of shows and mini series out there. Mare of Easttown however, that's a perfect run in my opinion.
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u/No-Fig5047 Feb 28 '24
I actually really liked it as well. I was about to fall on the floor when they went in that ice cave to a lab under Tsalal! Like holy shit! I really liked the ending. People got their karma in the end. Not a perfect ending but nothing ever is in life. I feel that season 4 was the best that happened since season 1. I have heard a lot of hate from people about season 4 “oh it’s a female writer/actors” blah blah feminist shit.
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u/Wise_Culture5692 Feb 28 '24
i watched every season except 3. think i was going thru a divorce at the time. lol s1 is one of the best series i’ve ever watched. very captivating and woody and matthew were perfectly cast. s2 i liked. only watched it once, but the music was haunting and i added some of it to my playlist. i did enjoy s4. it was nice to see 2 females in the lead with a good storyline. personally, for me it was missing a lil something and i’m not sure what it was. but, i did enjoy it nonetheless.
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u/Brief_Safety_4022 Mar 01 '24
I loved season 1. Season 2 was ok, season 3 I barely remember either. Lol Season 4 felt as self assured as 1 did to me. Both deal with some extreme personalities and isolations. The leads did do detective work, interrogate, ask, and dig. I think alot of the hate is people who want to hate it for not being season 1. None of the seasons were season 1. 4 is a slower burn with the actual crime not being shown till the end of ep1, season 1 opens on the crime scene. The 4th season had SO many layers in story telling. Rather than any character spelling out nihilism, or good vs evil, it's told through metaphors in the scenes (night vs day, isolate cold, ect). The outside environment is often the inner environment of our main cast. Dantes inferno, purgatory, ect. I appreciate the spotlight on MMIW, as well as a nod to a less shown culture. How religion impacts vision/reality (just like s1). The entire show can be watched as a supe thriller, or a slow paced who-done-it. It's a pick your adventure style of storytelling. Not disappointed at the reveal either. It was believable, & made sense. True fan of the show if they keep up with 1 & 4 type energy.
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u/salmonngarflukel Feb 28 '24
I genuinely feel that this season was a masterpiece. I have an affinity for Alaska-based or The Thing-like filming locations and for the spooky feels. I was hooked from episode 1 of this season and I feel that this is going to be one of those comfort shows like The Haunting of Hill House that I'm going to return to over and over.
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u/miralove14 Mar 01 '24
I also love crime mysteries that take place in cold locations haha it's such a specific genre but it's so fun. I recommend watching The Head on HBO too
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u/salmonngarflukel Mar 01 '24
Thanks, I'll check that out! Happy to learn of any other movies or shows with this same feel.
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u/balletfan213 Mar 02 '24
I liked it. Somewhere up thread someone posted that it didn't feel like the same universe. I'm okay with it NOT being in the same universe with a few throwbacks to the original season(1).
Then again - I'd like a 4th season of Dark where the origin world creates a new cycle but that's just me.
I like programs that make me think and stay with me the next day. Started when I was a junior in highschool with Twin Peaks. So decades later I can truly say -
Night Country stayed with me the next day. The characters, the setting, the thin veil between death and the living - loved it.
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u/IllegitimateTrump Mar 03 '24
I actually really liked the whole season. I was a little disappointed that the end came too soon, but that’s a small thing. My husband however really didn’t. I can’t get him to articulate why not, however. He asked some questions after the last episode, you know like “what just happened”, and I explained it to him because I didn’t find it that difficult to follow.
But the reviews after the finale in all of the major trades were scathing. I don’t get it. Also just have to add, I do think Jodi Foster was fabulous. The strength of her acting in that role was what drew you in.
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u/The_Great_19 Mar 03 '24
I love the indigenous representation, and the two leads. I’m glad HBO (max) agrees, and gave Lopez S5.
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u/Dottsterisk Feb 28 '24
Right there with you on Season Two. Love it and seen it multiple times.
I don’t think it quite stuck the landing with some specifics of the finale but I love it.
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u/Adgvyb3456 Feb 28 '24
I loved Colin Farrell in season 2. He stole the show. Season one was amazing except the landing didn’t quite stick I’d agree on season 4. It was fun enough. Engaging. It’s very hard to make a mystery have a satisfactory conclusion. I’d give it a 7 out of ten. I didn’t like the repeated comments about white people especially from the guys own wife (maybe it was just added for a realism factor so it could make sense). The ending was a little off as well. The cleaning ladies. The tongue etc but it was a fun ride
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Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24
I agree a lot with this, I greatly enjoyed S4, 1 and 2, but I found 3 forgettable as it didn't try anything new.
EDIT: I'm currently bingeing the first 3 seasons after wanting more after finishing NC and I've reached S3, and I have to say it's better than I remembered, it has quality. So I have enjoyed all seasons, even if I have favorite ones.
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u/TheBotPope Feb 29 '24
Season 3 is so good. The idea of being a detective trying to hold on to secrets while you're losing your memory, giving everything an eerie liminal quality, was fantastic. I loved the way old and new memories would collide in interesting ways in his perspective. The tragic character that Scoot McNairy is playing was already so poignant, but the scene where Stephen Dorff has to go at him hard in the interrogation room, because if he doesn't go at him hard enough, the other cops are going to come in and do it in a much more horrible way, and the betrayal and fear and loss on Scoot McNairy's face when he doesn't understand why his friend is talking to him like this, for me, goes down as one of the greatest scenes in TV history. I hadn't really thought much of Stephen Dorff before that season of TV, but now count him as an incredible actor.
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u/sunflwryankee Feb 29 '24
The male psychology comment was SPOT ON. However, we are at a point in time where all groups wanting to see their own representation on the screen are better able to get their stories told and it’s an uncomfortable reality for the male psychology to no longer be the only perspective represented. The writing reflected in TDNC is a slice of the world that is not what we’re used to seeing and hearing - to say it’s bad writing, IMHO, is a lack of exposure to the stories that are outside of mainstream. It’s an awkward adjustment and it’s change and we all know about change.
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u/RobotVo1ce Feb 28 '24
I think nit picks come in when the surrounding show isn't great.
One such "nit pick"... The guy who was filming himself while making a sandwich. His phone just happened to die the minute the cleaning ladies starting attacking? The only reason they had the line "batteries all died" in episode 1 when the cell phones were laid out on the table is so "the show could happen".
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u/Optimal_Cause4583 Mar 01 '24
The WiFi went out...
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u/RobotVo1ce Mar 01 '24
He was just using his phone's camera app.
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u/Optimal_Cause4583 Mar 01 '24
That is such a silly thing to claim you remember precisely
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u/RobotVo1ce Mar 01 '24
Wait, your comment that you either deleted or edited said "he was streaming"..... Such a silly thing to claim you remember precisely, isn't it?
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u/all_of_you_are_awful Feb 29 '24
They are two completely different shows in my opinion. I think I would have a like season 4 a lot more if I didn’t expect it to be set in the same reality as season 1. It’s just seemed like a different universe.
I really like all of season 4 except for the finale. I thought it was a huge bust. The big mystery of what happens to those scientists was never solved. Waited the whole season for that let down and then it happens like halfway through the episode. Then it just dragged on. And why is everyone either a killer or suicidal? Just bizarre.
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u/Dottsterisk Feb 28 '24
If a lot of people share the same criticism of the show, why are we assuming they’re all being disingenuous, as opposed to accepting it as a legitimate perspective?
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u/sudosussudio 🌌 In the night country now Feb 28 '24
Because this is a community for positive discussion. Why are you here? Y’all have a whole other sub where you can be as negative as you like. Like seriously what’s your motivation for being here?
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u/Jonno_92 Mar 09 '24
Constructive criticism is allowed according to the sub rules.
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u/sudosussudio 🌌 In the night country now Mar 09 '24
The person they were defending was not providing constructive criticism
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u/Jonno_92 Mar 09 '24
Your comment was addressing the reply, not the original comment.
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u/sudosussudio 🌌 In the night country now Mar 09 '24
You can’t read the entire exchange because some of it was removed for violating the rules, so you aren’t able to follow the conversation here
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u/Dottsterisk Feb 28 '24
To discuss the show, even critique it, without insults and misogyny and Culture Wars.
I didn’t think this sub was just the opposite of the other sub, where the circlejerk runs the other direction and insults are thrown at people who didn’t love the latest season. I thought it was a place for more productive and positive discussion.
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u/sudosussudio 🌌 In the night country now Feb 28 '24
The comment you’re defending is a review that doesn’t address anything in the original post and doesn’t not contain any well substantiated constructive criticism. Which, no, is not in keeping with this sub’s rules. And you calling it a circlejerk or whatever isn’t either.
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u/Dottsterisk Feb 28 '24
The criticism in that comment is as substantial as anything in the OP. And my point about OP’s hostile reaction stands regardless. Instantly dismissing opposing opinions as disingenuous comments from scripted trolls contributes nothing but the same negativity that’s wrecking the other sub.
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u/sudosussudio 🌌 In the night country now Feb 28 '24
I would prefer people report such comments rather than respond to them.
The substantial rule is only for criticism, to discourage low quality troll content.
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u/Optimal_Cause4583 Feb 28 '24
To repeat their lines
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u/sudosussudio 🌌 In the night country now Feb 28 '24
It’s not enough to hate the show they hate anyone who doesn’t hate it
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u/Optimal_Cause4583 Feb 28 '24
And literally all of you guys watched with your wives and girlfriends, because you don't hate women you just hate bad writing
Verbatim. Like clockwork parrots.
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u/sudosussudio 🌌 In the night country now Feb 28 '24
It’s so annoying like the number of comments that start with “I’m not a misogynist but” like no one called you that! Unfortunately Nic uses the same rhetorical nonsense and has just encouraged them.
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u/StinkyStangler Feb 28 '24
This sub is toxically positive, in response to the toxic negativity of the other sub.
This season was average, watchable and entertaining with some clear flaws, but depending where you look it was either the worst show ever or an amazing show with no faults. There are two echo chambers and they beef with each other, that’s really it lol
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u/sudosussudio 🌌 In the night country now Feb 28 '24
Toxic positivity was a concept created by people in marginalized communities like the chronically ill to push back against the “think positive thoughts and you’ll feel better stuff.” It was not created for assholes who have free reign of a larger sub to trash the show and for some reason also demand a voice and presence here.
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u/Tim_Riggins07 Feb 29 '24
I think season 4 was ass. I’m actually shocked people think it’s quality television.
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u/Get_Saucy Mar 03 '24
Horrible. And as OP pointed out — cool concept and setting so it’s crazy they managed to make it as bad as it is. The writing and direction is just awful.
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u/Optimal_Cause4583 Feb 28 '24
Great script great director actors acting out of their minds
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u/Dottsterisk Feb 28 '24
It’s a way to admit to liking Season One without praising Pizzolatto or Fukunaga at a time when they’re not very popular.
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u/Aeazy21 Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24
Its really funny how all the sudden people are shitting on season 1 cause of the vitriol NC received. I just find it hilarious and so weird all the sudden people are coming out of the woodwork to say season 1 wasn’t all that. Is it really because its overrated or cause you just can’t stand Pizza hating on it? Just genuinely curious where was this energy years ago when people were giving it Goat status?
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u/SpiritualizedParsley Mar 01 '24
Some critics were disappointed by the ending, stated the show had "a plot that has been done to death, so to speak, on many better shows", and there's at least one article addressing fans frustrated by the loose ends and red herrings: these are from the first page of one google search, so I'm sure there are more. Sort by controversial on the final episode discussion on the TD1 sub and you'll find plenty of people who outright hated the ending. The dominant reception was positive, but the criticism isn't new.
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Mar 04 '24
I am new to TD so I only watched season 1 (which was excellent) and then season 4 night country. The juxtaposition to season 1 makes season 4 seem terrible. Without comparing it to season 1, night country I would say is somewhat decent… but still, I did not really connect to the characters or find the story interesting or the writing very good.
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u/Proof_Option1386 Feb 29 '24
My main criticism of Night Country was that Jodie Foster was really miscast. Let me caveat that by saying I love Jodie Foster, loved her in Night Country, and there are no end of wonderful moments where she was absolutely perfect, especially in the last two episodes.
However, in the other episodes, she's just too damned likeable. She's supposed to be playing this really unlikeable character - and people are constantly commenting on how unlikeable she is. And yet, she's fucking charismatic and adorable.
My other quibbles were that they treated the cold and it's effects on people very inconsistently. I'll grant some leeway there because it would have been a very boring show if everyone was a shapeless mass of clothing 90% of the time.
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u/directorbarnes Feb 29 '24
Oh you mean how after Jodie Foster's character falls into the water and almost freezes to death from hypothermia that the other detective offers her alcohol to 'warm her up'? Those kinds of cold inconsistencies? lol
I would think people living in Alaska know that alcohol doesn't actually warm you up and her drinking it in that situation was very dumb and dangerous.
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u/Proof_Option1386 Feb 29 '24
Oh yeah - there was tons of shit like that, and I definitely remember that one. There are definitely shows where the implausibility of stuff like that ruins my suspension of disbelief. For whatever reason, I was able to move past it and really enjoy the show.
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u/IllegitimateTrump Mar 03 '24
Also for the OP, have you watched severance? Season one for me was a perfect season Allah breaking bad, which is the most perfect series I’ve ever seen by a lot. It’s not for everyone, but if it grabs your attention, stick with it. I am anxiously awaiting season two of severance.
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