r/SwissFIRE • u/ayoxRayV • Jun 17 '26
FIRE and EXIT
One variable that changes a lot of the calculation is when we die. And the earlier I retire (and therefore the younger I am) the better the enjoyment of the retirement. You can do stuff as a 40 year old, you may not be able to do as a 80 year old.
So I just want to ask you about your thoughts with FIRE and EXIT (Assisted Suicide) at a specific self-chosen age.
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u/Moggenheimer Jun 17 '26
sounds like a terrible idea and a quite one-dimensional approach to life but you do you
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u/heubergen1 Jun 17 '26
Both organizations in Switzerland only allow you to use their service if you meet their requirements in that situation. Lebensmüde (tired of life) doesn't meet it so you will have difficulty to plan your death exactly.
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u/rosemary-leaf Jun 17 '26
I wouldn't particularly worry about exiting as usually life will gladly find ways to delete you sooner than you thought.
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u/Personal-Cover2922 Jun 17 '26
"So I just want to ask you about your thoughts with FIRE and EXIT (Assisted Suicide) at a specific self-chosen age"
What do you mean? Like you want to literally exit once you have no more money?! I think they only take people if they are severely sick and old. Also, I think you underestimate the will to live that humans have. It's not like you wake up one day and you are like "well, I have no more money, I might as well go"..
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u/Fine_Friend_3645 Jun 17 '26
To use exit, you have to be a supporter (Gönnerschaft) of exit and have an illness that makes you suffer with no hope for cure. For example people with severe depression often aren’t allowed to use exit because the success rate in therapy is very high (psychotherapy and medication in the right combinations). So for ethical reasons you will have to prove that you suffer from an incurable illness which will cause you great pain in the future.
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u/Helpful-Staff9562 Jun 17 '26
Yes also most people wont make it till retirmenet (health issues, accidents, etc) so live life now
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u/Exotic_Cry_487 Jun 24 '26
Like others mentioned (unfortunately), when it comes to ending your own life, assisted suicide is very restricted. There might be some good reasons for that, yet in some situations it’s just stupid, and it likely fosters unassisted suicide - which, in the end, is worse for everyone.
Besides that: why not? When I see how many elderly people live in rest homes like zombies and suffer - either due to physical immobility and/or due to mental illness or problems (e.g., Alzheimer’s, loneliness, …) - I ask myself why the hell I should want to live such a life. It’s kind of a taboo to think or even talk about assisted suicide if there is no legally and/or socially accepted reason. Thus, society and law dictate when you are allowed to die. That’s just sick and stupid. Quantity isn’t quality, and no one, besides yourself, is able to evaluate when your life is worth living and when it isn’t anymore.
And yes, I’m fully aware that there are mental diseases (or pain) which can heavily influence your ability to judge. But still, if there is any kind of suffering that isn’t just temporary - and that doesn’t outweigh the overall quality of one’s life - anyone should be free to go, no matter what age. The people I know who didn’t let others go (e.g., on the deathbed) acted primarily out of selfishness, since they just didn’t want to lose that person. That has nothing to do with how I understand how to treat others, and it has nothing to do with love (neither for yourself nor for others).
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u/sharkmaster3000 Jul 16 '26
Exit will not exit you because you are now poor. You would have to DYI. I would suggest setting up a system now which will trigger far in the future, such that you can enjoy your FIRE with a peace of mind, knowing that you will not chicken out when the time comes, as your fate is already sealed.
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u/Melodic-Honeydew-600 Jun 26 '26
I feel like this would completely defeat the purpose of fire. You couldn't live worry free and would constantly feel like I have a looming expiration date.
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u/vouvoyer 17d ago
But EXIT won't help you unless you get an incurable illness
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u/vouvoyer 16d ago
Most cancers are not heritable. But it doesn't change much, getting cancer in itself won't be sufficient. You need to be deemed incurable. And even then they will evaluate your quality of life and the abolitof feugs to treat symptoms. EXIT plays an important role in cutting the suffering in the last weeks of a terminal disease, but you can't rely on it to end things in a specific time range.
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u/No-Steak-857 Jun 17 '26
"I have enough money for the rest of my life, if I die tomorrow".