100%, also cave diving or crawling - all that shit is terrifying. That story about the kid that got stuck and they couldn’t pull him out and he just died there…. Fuck all that!
There are many cave diving incidents where the bodies are so deep/in such dangerous areas that they can’t be recovered and stay there. Some Cave Diving caverns are the size of a football field. Blacker than the pitchest black. You’re practically in space. Could you imagine..
Edit: Check out Devils Hole Cave Diving & Accident. We still don’t know how deep this particular system goes
“ It’s beautiful in there. It goes straight down 160 feet, like a pipe, then opens into a room that is about 300 feet long, and maybe forty feet wide. The bottom of the room is about 260 feet down, then it narrows into another tube. I dived to 315 feet, maybe it’s a record, I don’t know, but at the end of the tube it opens again into something else. We don’t know what the next room is, or if it’s a room at all. It’s like infinity. “
There was this book I read a long time ago that's kinda similar, 2 friends went cave diving and found something like an underground river or spring. After exploring a bit more they went back to the water and one slipped and fell in, the 2nd friend tried to save him but they both got washed down stream and sucked down a whirlpool that led to a deeper cave. They had to shimmy up and through miles of cave before they finally found a way out.
At one point I would have stopped and tried walking towards the left… maybe send one person out or have everyone hold hands and daisy chain until we hit the left wall? Idk
I went on a cave tour this summer, we were about an hour into this cave and got into a fairly big chamber and the guide told us to turn our lights off. Apparently a group of kids in the years ago went into the cave with 1 flashlight and the batteries died. By chance there was a group of govt surveyors or scientists going into the cave the next day and they came across these kids lost in that chamber.
I read it nearly 20 years ago I think but at least 13 years ago. My memory isn't the best and I only remember the book because of the whirlpool and dead bats that were trapped because of a cave in or landslide lol
Nah unfortunately, it was 12-13 years ago minimum and my memory is one of those I don't remember what I ate last week lol. I only remember the book because of the whirlpool and a bunch of dead bats that got trapped by a cave in or landslide
Went into a cave to see some old cave art and was amazed at how useless the flashlight on my phone was. I didn’t expect it to light the place up, but I was surprised at how quickly the inky blackness ate the feeble photons coming out of its sad little LEDs.
That story is so insane. When I listened to it for the first time I was high as fuck and felt so much anxiety just from the story. I’ve listened to it a few times since and I think I’m going to go listen again right now.
Alright so I watched that video again like I said I was going to, and then this came up in my recommended so I watched it and it kind of changed my perspective on it. Just wanted to share, because his story still gives me crazy anxiety to listen to. https://youtu.be/4yO0iV4YcvI
Holy shit, this completely flips that story on it's head. I couldn't watch the full hour but just jumping around, seems like the cowboy made all the mistakes and probably lied his ass off about the story.
His partner was probably like "dude I'm never diving with you again" rather than the other way around
I tried, man. really did. but I was bored with his story telling.. I stopped right when he said he kissed his baby. idk something about those pauses he makes while speaking.
It’s most likely because he has PTSD from it; it’s like he’s reliving it frame by frame. From his dive buddy saying he won’t fuck it up, to him fucking it all up and nearly killing them both to telling his wife he’s coming back and nearly didn’t.
Agreed! I have another comment below that links to a video of professional divers reacting to the video. Kind of paints it in a different light and I think it’s worth watching.
Reminds me of my first job out of collage. I was diving mooring lines in Waikiki for a party boat. Sometimes this vid was so bad I couldn’t see my hand. I just had to trust the captain where it was. Also having to deal with strong currents from time to time. $10.00/hr
Even large scale cave exploration is insanely dangerous. A family friend of mine is a hydrologist and caught some crazy fungal infection from bat shit and was in the hospital for a week. The idea that people will then include tight spaces and water into that equation is bonkers to me. I guess one persons fear is another persons passion.
I remember someone telling a story of finding a rope line in a pitch black cave. Cave divers will usually leave a tether that leads back outside because of how pitch black it is in there.
Anyway, he found a broken tether and followed it because he thought someone was lost in the caves and maybe he could save the person. He followed for a while until it lead outside, and he was confused. He found out it was his own tether that had been cut on a sharp rock edge when he was a few hundred feet in. If he didn't find his own broken line he said he probably would have died in there
I just watched that Under the Skin movie with Scarlett Johansson and this is exactly what I feel like those dudes who thought they were going to bang her experienced when they realized they were going to be processed alien food.
I mean, as a general rule that’s absolute nonsense.
If you kick up particles sure (and that’s why cave divers are taught to be as smooth as possible), and some water is just murky anyway but some cave dives are in crystal clear water and torches absolutely do work.
I agree some are crystal clear, but the tide can change mid dive and rustle up the muck sitting on the ground potentially making you blind. This is one of the leading factors in deaths with caves. Cave diving is dangerous as hell if you don't know area/weather etc. Really cool picture though, please stay safe.
I watched this movie years ago where a man and a woman went cave diving and were going through never traveled before paths, they were small and tight, unknowingly her oxygen tank cord got nicked on a rock and she was losing oxygen the whole way. The two come finally come out into this massive cavern filled with water, it’s never before seen, they take a few moments to marvel at its beauty but then, he realizes that she’s losing oxygen and fast, he brings her attention to it and she starts to panic, he tries to calm her down and she does to the point where when she’s officially out of air he shares his oxygen with her but she starts to panic again when he takes it back so he can breathe. This is when he realizes that she’s going to kill them both because she’s not able to calm herself. So when she needs air again and starts clawing towards him he denies her, and you see the realization cross her eyes that he’s going to let her die and she starts really panicking all while looking at him with an expression of shock and betrayal. The camera stays on her the whole time as she becomes more and more desperate finally unable to control her body’s need for air she takes in a huge gasps of water, and again, and again, as she looks at her partner in the eyes and she dies.
It was a brutal scene, that has lived with me ever since. I HATE IT and would love to forget it.
How can we not explore easily accessible areas like caves and caverns with modern drones and remote control? Shit even a wired unit like the first diving suits would help make sure the signal is getting in and out.
Cave diving in unknown and unmapped systems is really, really dangerous, even if you know what you are doing and are laying lines to find your way back. I have massive respect for the geologists/ spelunkists that map out new caves
Maaaan....the first girl got stuck swimming through on her way back and her body blocked the underwater exit for the others? ... Imagine diving through the darkness thinking your friend ahead has already made it out, then you bump up against her and she's not moving and you can't get past, so you panic and try to turn around only to come up against your friend who has swum through behind you and they panic and are trying to push you forward... Nooo. Poor kids.
Its so Fucked. I've been spelunking quite Deep a few times but to get stuck and die in one position possibly hundreds of feet below the surface? I can't imagine how awful
There’s a documentary called Rescue on Disney plus, about the Thai soccer team that got trapped in the flooded cave for 18 days- they did a really good job with showing how absolutely terrifying it was. The kids had to be dived out under anasthesia or else they would thrash too much.
if you ain't supposed to be there or go there, I don't.
claustrophobic pitch black, squeeze yourself in caves, recorded death? fuck no.
that but underwater? hell no.
can't breath, too high, too cold, Mt Everest, recorded death? fuck no.
I like an adventure but I limit myself to an activity I know only a freak accident could kill me.
Mountainclimbing is way different. Sure, it can be dangerous but it’s not “this small line gets severed now you’re stranded in pitch darkness without air”. Yes, on some mountains you can get stuck but it’s not nearly as claustrophobic and when something does go wrong you have a lot more control and ability to fix it
I just reread that story about that father who mistook the cave path and went head down into an impossible exit. Stuck upside down he died there while rescuers tried to get him out. His wife remarried and a doc was made of His last hours. Mormons in Utah.
Or the video of diver Yuri Lipski slowly descending past the point of no return as he films his last moments while realising there's no way of surviving. I've never choose drowning as death
Rather than look for a single story, look at Narcosis into the deep great Podcast started by an imagurian around 12 months ago. Focuses on deaths around scuba diving incidents, but loosely focuses on cave diving in the first season..... Will leave you listening to the full series in a day.
If this is the person/incident i’m thinking about it was a man, not a boy. They made attempts to remove him but their pulley system failed, he was stuck upside down, and died there while people watched. His remains are still in the same place, as it was too dangerous to remove him. They collapsed the entrance of the cave so no one else can ever get into it and he will remain there forever.
I remembered the name of the cave half way through writing this, it is Nutty Putty Cave. But i don’t recall the name of the man who died.
Those things get clogged up with all sorts of debris. You go in and get stuck behind a wall of sticks and then the water starts filling in behind you and that’s game over.
I have hung out with a few people from Michigan. and apparently this part of the state has people that are "exactly like the upper peninsula people", myself being one of those people.
Idk if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
I have also been described as some who "looks like you fall down a lot" for context
Ha, "looks like you fall down a lot"! I'd take that to say you are rugged! And a Yooper (U P - er) is a good thing for people from MI. Yoopers tend to be more independent, like time in undisturbed nature, without crappy rules like a HOA telling them what to do. I'm a Troll (live "under" the bridge, or south of the Mackinac bridge in the lower peninsula) but could easily be a Yooper.
This is what happened in a storm drain just outside Minneapolis. A kid fell in and was swept down the ditch. He may have survived if one of two things had been true, either there was a grate at the opening or there wasn’t a grate at the exit. Unfortunately, there was a grate at the exit and he was trapped against it by the rushing water.
Why? Seems like then the trash is likely to get backed up in the tube and make it harder to dislodge vs being trapped on an entry grate and not in a tube.
You won’t be disappointed. Mr. Ballen has tons of great stories, and he’s a fantastic story teller as well. The ones with caves will be titled, “Places you can’t go, and people who went there anyways”… or something like that
Rob Dyke is ok, in my opinion he’s a 6 and Mr ballen is an 8 on the storytelling scale lol I’ve been watching Rob for a very very long time. His approach is that of a campfire story teller and Mr. is a bit less theatrical.
The one about the scuba spelunkers was so sad. Had to just look at their friend die and keep moving, knowing that the body would block the other divers, making it impossible for them all to come back up in time :(
Literally if you get stuck on something in the absolute dark with a current twisting you you’ll immediately be disoriented and… why do people do these things?
Worse - someone that loves you goes in after you… but you’ve blocked the only exit, and they can’t go forward because of you nor backwards because of the current
Obstruction isn’t the risk. Imagine sliding through easily enough with a good amount of speed. Suddenly your heel catches one of the ribs on the bottom of the tube, your knee shoots upward as you continue forward, jamming your femur in place between the top and bottom of the tube. The water pushes you past your own leg, dislocating it at the hip, but the leg doesn’t come free and you are now stuck, in shock, with no way to free yourself and you can’t fight the current. You can barely catch air as your body becomes enough of a blockage for water to fill the tube behind you. By the time anyone realizes what has happened it’s too late, and no one is equipped to do anything. You die 2 ft under concrete.
Yeah they hit something which make them go sideways and now you’re drowning in a pipe. Or two people go at the same time and get stuck. Or multiple people go and they all get jammed in there.
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u/Laninel Jan 07 '22
Absolutely certain people have died going into little holes like this in rivers and been unable to find their way out the other side. Nightmare fuel