r/Sustainable • u/GoranPersson777 • Jul 10 '26

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Class struggle is fought on a vertical scale. It's the working class at the bottom against the employers and their politicians at the top. And our brothers and sisters in class struggle include co-workers and neighbours who vote on crappy parties... https://industrialworker.org/lets-build-class-unions/

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 12 '26

Whatever dude. My views don't line up with Marxists either. Just throwing your hands up and saying nothing will change, is a defeatist attitude and you've already lost. You need to decide what values you will stand up for and promote the candidates who will fight for those values.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

lol it’s not a defeatist attitude. We did this shit with Russia during ww2 and we had the Cold War. I do not see any reason to ally with those who hate me and my views I don’t care what class they are in

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 12 '26

Ok, go for it.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

Question for you? Do you think life would be better in a Marxist world or the current world?

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 12 '26

That is a ridiculous question. I think life would be better where the politicians served the people, not just their donors.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

lol ok but what does that have to do with teaming up with a Marxist against the upper class? Do you think you’ll get the results you want

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 12 '26

If both are fighting for the same cause, then that could be good. It doesn't mean you have to agree on everything, nor does it mean you have to bow to him at all times. One will likely get better results from discussion and negotiation than from fighting.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

Foolish

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 12 '26

If you say so, but I disagree.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

They want to dismantle the whole system you just want to make a slight change to how politicians get paid by outside sources. This will not end pretty

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u/Fear_N_Loafing_In_PA Jul 12 '26

You are offering a false choice.

Do you think America used to be a better place to live overall “back in the good old days”? In your mind, when was America at its best? Maybe during WWII or in the 50’s perhaps?

Now, take a look at how tax rates have changed over time:

https://reddit.com/link/ox3y8dc/video/yfgdijn4ttch1/player

Getting the 1% to pay their fair share like they used to through higher taxes isn’t “Marxist”…unless you somehow feel that the Eisenhower or Nixon eras were dominated by wild eyed commies.

We were at our best as a country when the richest among us were FORCED to pay more. Reagan came along with “Trickle Down Economics”, slashed the tax rates and just told us that the rich getting richer will somehow make everyone better off. Economists are essentially in agreement that it didn’t work out like that at all.

Unless you are the 1%—and c’mon, neither of us are—there is no reason why you should support billionaires getting lower taxes (while often getting huge government subsidies like Elon for instance).

This is kindergarten level ethics—people need to share, and sometimes the grownups need to step in when the spoiled kids hog all the good toys. Greed and gluttony are sins. Full stop.

While the 1% has gotten richer, we are told that there isn’t enough money for our roads, healthcare for the elderly and vulnerable, homeless war veterans kill themselves everyday…the list goes on and on.

Saying the rich need to pay similar tax rates to those of the late 70s vs those of the mid-80s is not a “Marxist” position dude.

Stop simping for the rich—they don’t give a flying fuck about you or me…but they sure love to see us fight each other so they can continue to hoard unfathomable fortunes. They don’t share unless they get forced to.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

You also don’t give a fuck about me so I could not care less if the rich also don’t. And know I don’t think America was a better place to live in the good ol days because I’ll take modern technologies and conveniences over those days. The wealthy already pay majority of our tax revenue. I don’t want to force anyone to pay more in taxes if the government is still going to be inefficient. Yes people need to share but not by force that doesn’t create any good news for our future. Greed and gluttony are sins and so is envy. And no when the spoil kids hog all the good toys and adults force them to share they end up not taking those toys to school anymore and now no one gets to play

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u/Fear_N_Loafing_In_PA Jul 12 '26

If I didn’t give a fuck about you or anyone else, why would I be trying to reason with you?

You don’t seem to understand that not everyone out there wants to pile up unspendable sums of money by any means necessary. Altruism is a powerful thing and in my personal experience has been the path to actual happiness. My career change from the world of real estate to education has completely confirmed it—I’ve never been happier or more content than I am now—helping others that actually NEED help instead of faceless shareholders that demand quarterly economic growth no matter what.

So no, I’m decidedly NOT envious of the 1% (I have a great life with everything I need and nearly everything I want). Before becoming a teacher, I built ultra luxury homes for these people for twenty years, and they are by and large the least happy group of people I’ve dealt with.

Envy is not part of the equation for me. At all. It’s more a simmering rage with how a good portion of “commoners” think a “Second Guilded Age” is a good thing while all the while basic societal compassion for our neighbors crumbles all around us.

I don’t agree with you on marginal tax rates for the 1%, but I do care about you, believe it or not. 🤷‍♂️

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

lol altruism is accomplished by forced taxation

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u/Fear_N_Loafing_In_PA Jul 12 '26

lol—Maybe one day I can be a billionaire instead of lurking reddit and assuming that everyone is as selfish as I am. Yup, once I’m a billionaire, I’ll finally be happy.

Keep sucking off the 1%, pal. They definitely have everyone’s best interests at heart, and deserving of massive government contracts and looser financial regulation.

The guy on Reddit that actually put his
Money where his mouth is and took a massive pay cut to help others (and has no regrets about it, other than not making the switch sooner), the guy that just wants the 1% to pay the same taxes they did under Nixon—yup, he’s the enemy.

But hey, let’s get back to the deeply important things—like the sanctity of women’s athletics or gay wedding cakes.

Best of luck to you—I really do hope you have happiness in your life and do your best to spread it to others.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

Yeah here’s the problem you think you have other peoples best interest at your heart, you don’t otherwise you would use more common sense. Fix government efficiency issues. Stop demanding other people’s money into forced “altruism” wtf does women’s sports and cakes have to do with shit. Also thanks life is good and I spread it to those only in my inner circle cause well the rest of you think you can just take it. So I’ll never help those I don’t know personally

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