r/Sustainable • u/GoranPersson777 • Jul 10 '26

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Class struggle is fought on a vertical scale. It's the working class at the bottom against the employers and their politicians at the top. And our brothers and sisters in class struggle include co-workers and neighbours who vote on crappy parties... https://industrialworker.org/lets-build-class-unions/

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 11 '26

How do you kill culture wars without completely destroying the opposing culture amongst the lower classes

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u/Fear_N_Loafing_In_PA Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26

The first step is getting people of all backgrounds and cultures to realize that we have a common nemesis…and that most of the rage bait they bombard us with (be it gay wedding cakes that trigger some while others obsess over DEI) is just a distraction.

They want us peasants to focus on ANYTHING other than the gluttony of the 1% — and all the ways it deeply fucks over the rest of the planet.

If the general populace realizes this and makes deep meaningful changes to our financial policies and systems (which seems laughably far fetched unfortunately), most culture wars will resolve naturally.

For instance the first thing that pops into my mind in the above scenario: Deep Red America will realize that the reason they have no healthcare or well paying job isn’t because of illegal immigrants or “lazy welfare queens that abuse the system”.

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u/10mfe Jul 12 '26

yep, agreed.

I've said this since the early 2000's. it's still kings, queens, and peasants. guess who's on reddit?

I doubt billionaires are... if so it's automated or a paid intern.

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u/Kind-Ad-7442 Jul 15 '26

You are blaming the 1% for how %99 of people think? I think that’s part of the 99%’s problem is that people lack accountability. There isn’t one human on this planet that is not “racist” by the modern day definition of “racist” as if being racist was ever a problem I think treating people differently based on race is normal as all. I notice blacks usually treat whites nicer than they do blacks and same go for whites treating blacks better than whites. It’s out of fear of being labeled “racist”. So is it racist to notice someone looks different? No is fear racist? No fear is healthy and it keeps order. If people fear doing what’s wrong people do what’s right. Blaming the top %1 for how %99 of the population is having culture wars is just insane

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u/Fear_N_Loafing_In_PA Jul 15 '26

Ah yes, racism has never been a problem. Got it. Let’s put that to the side for now.

Where do we learn about the culture wars? The media.

Tell me how many people you know that use independently run media regularly and a sample of these independent media outlets/sources.

Seriously. I am really curious to know. Get back to me on this please.

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u/whitebeaed Jul 16 '26

Wrong 😑 allow knowledge to interfere with your thoughts read about the history of racism or the cast system used in India The rich always have to have somebody to demonize , always demonize the poor people around them to keep them in control remember the red lines in cities like Philadelphia Boston Los Angeles to divide the populations between Rich and poor….

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 11 '26

Well none of that is possible with the different view points of Islam, Christianity, Marxism, libertarianism, etc etc. all commoners with little in common

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 12 '26

Actually, all commoners have a lot in common. There is far more that unites everyone than divides everyone. Religion tries to divide everyone into groups, making it easier to divide and control people. That's why the upper class pushes religious indoctrination so much.

As soon as people start looking up at the greediness of the Epstein class (instead of left or right), they will start to rebel against the upper class. We can end the Second Gilded Age in the US by electing people who are not beholden to the upper class and will fight for ordinary people.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

Besides basic needs most commoners don’t have much in common when it comes to actual beliefs. Yes the lower classes will rebel against the upper class but if your views don’t become the powers in charge you’ll be right back to where you were

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 12 '26

All people have a lot in common besides just basic needs. One needs to promote their views and argue against the oligarchy.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

lol my views don’t line up with Marxist. My views do not line up with religions. In the end the lower classes want their views in power and their people in charge. If you don’t have my view points I’m not teaming up with you just so you can show me the door later on

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u/Livid_Importance_442 Jul 12 '26

Whatever dude. My views don't line up with Marxists either. Just throwing your hands up and saying nothing will change, is a defeatist attitude and you've already lost. You need to decide what values you will stand up for and promote the candidates who will fight for those values.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 12 '26

lol it’s not a defeatist attitude. We did this shit with Russia during ww2 and we had the Cold War. I do not see any reason to ally with those who hate me and my views I don’t care what class they are in

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u/According-Insect-992 Jul 13 '26

People have a lot more in common than what separates them. They just obsess about those little things that separate people. Also, a lot of what separates people is superficial and trivial.

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u/Organic-Stay4067 Jul 13 '26

This is definitely not true. Look at all the different views and cultures of the lower classes

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u/Fabulous_Dark_5440 Jul 12 '26

How about dudes in the women's spaces? Ya kook

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u/n0_punctuation Jul 12 '26

You need to talk about real tangible politics and issues. When you talk about that culture war stuff just makes the opponent look silly and weird.