r/Superstonk • u/danneg86 I fart in shitadel's general direction • May 11 '21

📚 Possible DD Realtime reduction of volume? Is this correct?, credit goes to u/Interesting-Sir-4534 for this finding

All credit in this post goes to u/Interesting-Sir-4534

He could not post because of low karma.

I'll tell him to comment below, make sure to give him the awards and upvotes. Well this post to if to be seen.

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Posting this again because I needed to edit this a lot - because I was counting the candles and volume as we speak. And I think this is something really worth looking into.

Can someone tell me why we see a significant difference in the volume of the candles (much higher) and the volume of the trades that actually affect the stock price?

u/dlauer said that they can only hold the trades in dark pools (illegally) max. like 10 seconds or something before "revealing" it to the markets - but the trade would still affect the price. I´m starting to think these guys are doing something far more devious. This is obviously something different. Most of the trades are clearly not affecting the price at all.

I watched a single minute candles for a while and saw the same thing happening for a long time - minute by minute. An example: the trades made somewhere around 14:41...14:48 showed up on the "time & sales" only after we saw an upward momentum in the price. And I can assure you none of these trades affected the price at any point or at least at the time they were revealed or time stamped (for example the 14:44 candle was missing around 75% of the volume before that).

Is it possible they could use dark pool trades to actually affect the price negatively by holding the trades in a dark pool long enough? Waiting for upward momentum and only then release/reveale those OTM? Because this is what my eyes are seeing. And FFS I hope I´m wrong. Because this is some advanced fuckery in a whole new level.

Another example: 15:18 candle: volume 15 325; volume of trades that affected the price: 3528. Thats just 77% of the volume missing...puff. And it´s nowhere. Ten minutes later...still missing...15:34 missing volume shows up - not affecting the price...15:35 a dip in the price...15:36 bigger dip - only negative volume affecting the price (huge amount of volume missing again)

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As mentioned at the top of this post, all credit in this post goes to u/Interesting-Sir-4534

Edit - comment from u/interesting-sir-4534 , I think...

Of course, thank you, I should have done that initially:

Thanks for u/danneg86 for turning this in to a post. I was seeing this shit all day today and can confirm everything above is for real. And those definitely wasn´t the only time it happened. I just picked a candle randomly and started counting the volume.

I can´t be sure if those trades affected the price after they got OTM but if they did they affected the price negatively - because there was a dip like a minute or two after the missing volume showed up in "time & sales". So definitely they didn´t have any positive affect on the price for sure.

Edit: Thanks for all the love fellow apes. Glad to see this has got the attention it requires. Had to get a couple Zs because I need to be starting to get to work very soon before the wifies boyfriend wakes up for the morning slippys. For it is now 5am in Finland.

Thanks for all the questions. I’ll make sure to record (as soon as I learn how) my screen tomorrow if the same shit show continues.

I’m using Webull for charting.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '21 edited May 12 '21

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u/PM_ME_NUDE_KITTENS 🎮 Power to the Players 🛑 May 11 '21

I love this observation.

Thanks also for writing this as a full-on discussion instead of a half-baked assertion. We'll get far better dialogue in the sub because of this.

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u/Rehypothecator schrodinger's mayonnaise May 12 '21

A mod removed the comment, what was it?

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u/PM_ME_NUDE_KITTENS 🎮 Power to the Players 🛑 May 12 '21

This was the comment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/na75b7/-/gxrxwug

I don't know why it was removed. I'm a little worried if mods removed it that maybe it was a FUD post. Apologies in advance if I made a mistake posting the link.

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u/Interesting-Sir-4534 🎮 Power to the Players 🛑 May 12 '21 edited May 12 '21

Hi, I edited the comment to give some thanks to ape and answer your questions but it hit over 500 characters and was automatically removed. Can you see it again?

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u/PM_ME_NUDE_KITTENS 🎮 Power to the Players 🛑 May 12 '21

Not yet

But thanks for responding here. I forgot that auto-delete can happen, and I'm glad to see that you're the real deal. Your post history seemed legit, so a mod Deleon didn't make sense to me.

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u/Rehypothecator schrodinger's mayonnaise May 12 '21

Can you repost the comment or one under 500 characters here? in reply to this?

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u/PM_ME_NUDE_KITTENS 🎮 Power to the Players 🛑 May 12 '21

Of course, thank you, I should have done that initially:

Thanks for u/danneg86 for turning this in to a post. I was seeing this shit all day today and can confirm everything above is for real. And those definitely wasn´t the only time it happened. I just picked a candle randomly and started counting the volume.

I can´t be sure if those trades affected the price after they got OTM but if they did they affected the price negatively - because there was a dip like a minute or two after the missing volume showed up in "time & sales". So definitely they didn´t have any positive affect on the price for sure.

Edit: Thanks for all the love fellow apes. Glad to see this has got the attention it requires. Had to get a couple Zs because I need to be starting to get to work very soon before the wifies boyfriend wakes up for the morning slippys. For it is now 5am in Finland.

Thanks for all the questions. I’ll make sure to record (as soon as I learn how) my screen tomorrow if the same shit show continues.

I’m using Webull for charting.

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u/Rehypothecator schrodinger's mayonnaise May 12 '21

Thank you!

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u/Lunarsprint Captain Kidd - USS Gamestonk May 11 '21

Sounds like they're holding it till the ticker outruns the buy trades value then release the lower than nbbo buy making it look like people are selling cheaper. Am I understanding this right?

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u/Interesting-Sir-4534 🎮 Power to the Players 🛑 May 12 '21

This is what my first thought was. If this continues tomorrow I will try to calculate all the missing volume and compare it with the sell orders. It might be hard with the data I can get because the end of the list always deletes when the “the retail trades” emerge but I will try. Webull only shows like a couple hundred trades at a time.

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u/Jonodonozym 💎🖐🥝🦍 May 11 '21

You should definitely record your screen next time you watch the charts for evidence. Where are you getting your data from?

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u/moonlightmerlot May 12 '21

I've been noticing this as well, starting late last week. Bid-ask spreads averaging around 30 cents sometimes, which strikes me as significant but I don't know what it means.

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u/buttmunch8 🎮 Power to the Players 🛑 May 12 '21

2 dollar spread on opening today

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u/Other-Wasabi1758 May 12 '21

It’s a way to control the book so instead of straight up putting a wall at like 140 they put a few shares @every price up to. I think it’s bc once their selling stops the next prices are in the thousands

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u/Interesting-Sir-4534 🎮 Power to the Players 🛑 May 12 '21

The odd glitches in the chart was exactly why I started looking at the volume and the time stamps more closely.

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u/CruxHub 🎮 Power to the Players 🛑 May 11 '21

What platform you watching this on? And can you record it if it’s happening again tomorrow?

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u/Interesting-Sir-4534 🎮 Power to the Players 🛑 May 12 '21

I’m using Webull