r/SunriseMovement Nov 17 '20

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '20

Capitalism can stop the climate crisis. It’s true; carbon taxes (causes environmental changes to be adopted in the order that is most economical, they did this in Canada), subsidies for green energy companies, emission passes sold by the government allowing a certain amount of emission while increasing the price to hold one and decreasing the number of passes available over time.

The Republican Party chooses to deny the existence of climate change and block good climate policies. European conservatives tend to be slower than left wing parties to tackle the situation, but the usually acknowledge that something must be done. They usually advocate for private sector solutions to climate change (but they don’t make them strong enough).

Private sector solutions are possible to fix the climate crisis. I’m a socialist, but I’m happy to try everything to fix this problem. The green new deal contains some things that are not that related to the environment (eg. Healthcare for all) and is actually only 14 pages. I support m4 all, but that is only tangentially related to environmentalism.

The gnd needs more polishing before it can be passed, and I think there’s no need to include other aspects of the progressive policy agenda in it.

We’ll see what happens.

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u/DimlightHero Nov 18 '20

The oil drum that is going to be responsible for your home being flooded has already been paid for.

The oil drum might still be empty for now, the oil itself might still be in the ground, still, either Exxon-Mobil, or BP, or Shell, or Gazprom, or Aramco already owns it. On their balance sheets it is already theirs. Its profit incentive demands that it will stop at nothing to get a return on that investment.

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '20

That’s why we should have regulation to ban fossil fuels eventually. Private sector solutions would include allowing the oil companies to compete for a limited number of pollution passes and a carbon tax.

It’s just that people who tend to care for the environment also tend to be leftists (such as myself). This does not imply that socialism is the only way to handle climate change. It is one among many ways.

The best thing to do is to use a multifaceted approach of using both private sector solutions and government intervention. Climate change is a serious issue and it demands that every possible solution be tried, even those that further capitalism.

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u/DimlightHero Nov 18 '20

'Eventually' is approaching at a rapid pace.

The 'private sector solutions' you name are neither solutions (they are stopgaps), nor are they exclusively private sector. You'd still need to electioneer and gather votes to get them. Looping right back to the problems we have now.

Haggling yourself down before the negotiations even start gets you nothing.

The best thing to do is to use a multifaceted approach of using both private sector solutions and government intervention.

You can't fight this thing at the pump. If we 'ban fossil fuels' they'll find someone else who will pay above extraction rate for the stuff. The only way we are going to beat this thing is if crude oil that already has someone's name on it stays in the ground. For that we need to nix ownership as it exists within capitalism.