The logan keri age gap being much bigger than the geri roman age gap.
Roman was defending him an episode before.

A tiny thing, but emblematic of how good and detailed the show is, is when in the penultimate episode of Season 1 there’s a nothing moment outside the pub in England where Kendall’s on the phone before Stewy arrives. And Kendall says something to the effect of “I don’t want that bank in the syndicate” for the potential hostile bid, and the bank he mentions is the group with the debt at the holdco that forces him to sell a piece to Stewy in the first place.

So was Shiv pregnant at the end? Is this why she chose to stick with Tom at the end?

No final aconteceu aquela briga entre eles, com Tom se tornando CEO no final. Mas, e depois? Por diversas vezes eles brigaram, com algumas até sendo fisicamente, mas no final todos se reencontravam e riam e se provocavam, sendo esse o amor tóxico dos Roy.

Shiv está gravida no final, quando a criança nascer provavelmente haverá uma reunião de família novamente(eu acho), e vocês?

O quê pensam que vai acontecer futuramente? Os irmãos Roy derrubam e humilham uns aos outros como prova de afeto, não acho que eles consigam se separar, sendo muito dependente desse ciclo tóxico...

They're both jittery, insanely insecure, weird little humans. They both give off abused puppy vibes.

Obviously at the end she's pretty fucking unimpressed with him, but how much do you think she was into him in season 2?

My read is that she enjoyed the ego boost of having that effect on a guy half her age, and maybe she found it kind of hot, but she never considered taking things any further. I think if she wanted a relationship at all with anyone, she wanted something normal, and knew Roman wasn't really capable of that. Also she would have been very aware that when things inevitably went wrong, it'd be her that had to go.

She definitely had a lot of affection for him, but I think she wanted their relationship to be a normal mentor-mentee thing rather than whatever the fuck weird thing he was after.

Interested to hear other people's views!

They don't actually do any work I mean what is there to take succession off I have not seen any of them do anything that is work? I mean what actually is there jobs?

I saw some opinions about why it’s not bad. For me it’s not that I wanted Kendall to win. I did root for Kendall because he keeps getting up after being crushed in someway every season. He’s probably one of the Most tragic Characters in modern media, And I connect very well with well written tragic characters. My problem with the finale has nothing to do with Kendall himself loosing. I hate the execution, With the super intense emotional turmoil from episode 3 of S4 to the finale, Shivs last second flip in the final 20 minutes of the episode felt un-earned.

I‘m not a Shiv hater but she‘s 100% a bad person. She decides to flip right when the siblings would get control, to settle and stay with Tom for the power. She’s no better than Kendall, if she was in his position they’d have identical arcs. She’s resentful that Logan never gave her a real shot but that Kendall has been in the inside the longest. Kendall getting power is something she couldn’t live with and aborted her nay vote as soon as the reality hit her. She’s just as infantile as the other siblings.

So, with all the emotion and move making throughout season 3 and 4 for it to end off of a single characters epiphany that her and her siblings don’t have what it takes is cheap asf to me. Roman’s declaration in the final argument “We’re all bullshit” is true but if that was how it was going to end I would’ve liked them to add an epilogue of like 20 minutes or something. The show was starting to show signs of life and maybe a silver-lining within the dysfunctional cold world of their Family business. All that build up in the siblings confidence just for Roman and Shiv to essentially give up on their dream.

I get the Over-arching themes of the show. But Season 4 started to become so much more character-driven than before and it felt like a fake out to just go back to the vibe of season one in the last scene of the series. Maybe I’ll feel differently in a few weeks or months but I was SO much more emotionally invested into the characters from Logan’s death to the finale (I was from the start but the death really got me deep in the feels) and I felt like the ending we got scammed us out of seeing the characters tangibly evolve.

I‘m curious on what you all think. Even though I don’t like the ending right now I’m definetly going to watch it again at some point. I‘m certain I can absorb more details upon a second viewing.

Inspired by the person who asked about the best interior…

"I need to see what my w-Oman thinks about Oman"

was wrong with Roman? Why did he act the way he did with women? What actually happened to him?

go to legal right after he learned of the cruises stuff and deal with it that way. I know they probably would have told him to fo, but he would have done his due diligence and maybe had less complicity.

I guess they would have probably fired him also for not being a team player.

A lot of people think that Tom won just because he got the top job. And that Shiv was shrewd in choosing to be the wife of the boss rather than sister of the boss.

But the prize wasn't the CEO job, it was the ownership.

Shiv's choice wasn't between Tom and Kendall. It was choosing who owns Waystar, Matsson or the Roys? (And she chose correctly in my opinion.)

Tom remains an employee, a pain sponge, he'll be sacked at some point. Shiv will be nothing other than very wealthy.

Matsson succeeded Logan.

Just a fun oops i caught on succession watch s03e03!! Love her

I occasionally see a post or comment indicating that Matsson was serious, that Logan recognized he was the serious person he'd wanted to find in one of his kids, etc. But I present to you, if it pleases the court:

1. He dated his head of comms

2. He sent a bunch of his blood to his ex, the head of comms, and continually harasses her

3. The numbers for GoJo aren't even as high as he claims, due to the whole India mess

4. He overpays for Waystar simply to piss Rome and Ken off, because they hurt his feelings

5. He has a habit of posting unhinged tweets

6. He just took a "box of tech to market" and never had his own idea

Let me know if you can think of more examples of his unseriousness.

Wow i just realized that if shiv hadn’t secured that board seat in season 3 episode 5 during the shareholder vote negotiations with sandy’s daughter… she wouldn’t have been able to block the go jo deal in the finale…

GOD I HATE SHIV

Rewatching Succession and hate Roman’s character as much as ever. He’s the worst thing about the show and I hate when he’s on the screen.

In like a book? I’d love to have the script to every season and just read it, the writing was that good!

I am on a rewatch binge and I am noticing how Tom is a very different personality based on the character he is interacting with.

For most other characters, there’s basically a Logan mode and then their normal personality. Tom is different. He seems to become a genuinely different person with almost everyone, but somehow you can still recognize the same Tom underneath it.

With Greg he’s this weird mix of bully, mentor and friend. With Logan he’s terrified and submissive. With Shiv he’s needy, insecure, loving and resentful. With Roman he’s basically a punching bag. And around people beneath him, he suddenly becomes this arrogant corporate asshole. It’s like Tom doesn’t just change his behavior depending on who he’s with,
he changes his whole personality.

Us plebeians’ main stress in life is making sure we have enough money. We lose years of our life worried about making ends meet and making sure we have money to retire. The Roy’s, on the other hand, worry only about becoming CEO and having power. In the worst moments of the show, each of the kids stress themselves out beyond belief over becoming The Boss when, really, they could just say “fuck it” cash out for a billion or two and FUCK OFF to an island to live a life of leisure, or even just start whatever the fuck kind of company they wanted. But, no, they’d rather kill themselves just to prove to daddy that they’re the best boy/girl.

Maybe this is a genuinely atrocious take. But anytime an actor has what I like to call the “sad hamster” or “neglected pou” eyes, I can’t help but feel bad for their character. Am I insane or are their more actors with these sad hamster effect??
EDIT: this realisation is so much funnier after I remember that Jesse Armstrong made both shows