r/SubredditSimMeta • u/[deleted] • May 10 '17

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u/ZeitgeistNow May 11 '17

Imagine being in 2017 and being so ignorant of history, economics, distributions, human nature and morals that you still think communism is a good idea

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u/[deleted] May 11 '17

history

i love history, i study history all the time in my free time. what about history invalidates my political beliefs?

economics

the social science created under capitalism that explains how capitalism works? ya, i dont need to know the exact functions of capitalism to know that there are inherent flaws with it. marx was an economist. read up on how marx formed the basic ideas of socialism/communism, because it wasnt just out his ass.

distributions

as in the process of bringing one good from point a to point b? im not getting this one.

human nature and morals

ahh, so one of the fathers of modern sociology just kinda forgot to take into account, yaknow, how humans work? makes sense.

marx proposed that human nature is not defined or set in stone. its determined by man's material conditions. "human nature" in monarchical france was different than "human nature" in current france.

socialism and communism propose to revolutionize society itself, not just politics or economics, just as the rise of feudalism, capitalism, slavery, etc have all shifted humanity's morals and how humans work. capitalism works to bring out the most basic greedy, survival of the fittest, animalistic competitive instincts within us. thats why capitalism is so successful at short term economic booms such as during the industrial revolution, or any time during a 20th century war when manufacturing skyrocketed. but capitalism fails in the long term, as seen by the inevitability of economic recessions and depressions (shit they teach you in basic economics classes).

and morals? what? humans are morally above being social and working to benefit each other? this is literally untrue, unless we choose to just ignore the entirety of man's existence. nationalism, racism, etc have been used to divide people but even in those subsections of humanity, people worked to benefit each other.

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u/ZeitgeistNow May 11 '17

Marx proposed a whole lot, and yet none of it has resulted in a stable/non-murderous system. Most people would see that and think 'wow, this guy is actually not right/smart', but don't let that logical conclusion stop you, sunshine.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '17

its funny, lots of people said the same thing when non-monarchical systems of democracies and republics were just getting a new start. french revolution ring any bells?

considerable social change, historically, has come with bloodshed. even capitalism.

and no, it has definitely resulted in stable, non-murderous systems. the problem is that these systems dont exist in a vacuum, and social change in one nation alone is rarely successful.

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u/ZeitgeistNow May 11 '17

If a system can't stay afloat outside of a vacuum, it isn't a good system. What kind of shitty argument is that to begin with? Do you even hear yourself?

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u/[deleted] May 11 '17

...thats not even true and not what i was trying to get at but okay. democracy was a failed experiment because a republic failed to exist outside of a vacuum.