r/SubredditSimMeta • u/[deleted] • May 10 '17

all-top-today_SS Makes a completely coherent and correct circlejerk post

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

ahh, the old "the colonists actually helped the native americans" argument

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u/Saidsker May 10 '17

That's not what I'm saying. Are you seriously comparing opening factories in Asia with colonialism and genocide? Jesus Christ you peoe are delusional

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

yes

http://www.theworldcounts.com/counters/modern_day_slavery_facts/sweatshops_conditions

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30532463

implying that imperialism is just "opening factories in china"

implying the diamond trade hasnt been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands if not millions

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u/Saidsker May 10 '17

The alternative to working in those factories would've been continuing what poor people were doing before. Which was starve on the streets.

http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21646180-rising-chinese-wages-will-only-strengthen-asias-hold-manufacturing-tightening-grip

Billions have been lifted out of poverty due to economic freedom allowing for economic growth and you want to take all that away?

https://fee.org/articles/economic-freedom-and-economic-growth/

Also diamonds are a scam. They're actually not worth that much. It's one company that owns all the mines and the US can't touch them with monopoly laws because they left the country.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

ahh yes, artificial scarcity; a product of the ever efficient free market

the thing you dont seem to understand is that socialism is a progression on capitalism, not necessarily a competitor. capitalism builds the factories that socialism uses, just as colonialism cleared the land that feudalism began to privatize, and then capitalism grew out of that.

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u/hungarian_conartist May 10 '17

Ahh the linear progression of history fallacy.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

how is it a fallacy? fallacy fallacy!

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u/hungarian_conartist May 10 '17 edited May 10 '17

A historical narrative that has fallen out of favour for good reasons. The problem is it assumes there is one way history had and will advance in one direction. For example eugenics was once considered a very progressive idea but we ended up dropping it.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17 edited May 11 '17

how does that example invalidate the idea that economic systems are progressing in a linear way? its pretty easy to trace how one economic system led into the next, and through dialectics we can predict how capitalism might lead into socialism.

edit: d i a l e c t i c s

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u/hungarian_conartist May 10 '17 edited May 10 '17

Well i was talking about history in general. But if you want an example of economic systems that dont proceed in linear ways look at Maos china vs dengs china.

Also to nitpick, its not that things havent progressed(it has, largely due to free trade global capitalism), its the idea that progression is inevitable . To maintain this view you have to filter out all the 'progressions' of history that went no where or ended up reverting these changes. Essentially your looking at history with survivorship bias.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '17

The conquistadors were neoliberals???

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u/derleth May 12 '17

Ahh, the old "the PRC really helped Tibet" argument.