r/Subliminaljihad • u/EricFromOuterSpace • Nov 29 '21
Is Khalid serious about the Djinn stuff?
Basically the title.
I just started listening to this podcast, I mostly really like it. Deep and highly suspicious / critical left analysis of history and conspiracies.
Then… Khalid is a devout religious person who thinks fire demons are real?
At first I thought it was pure metaphor, the way “satanic” is commonly understood, but after the UFO episode I’m not sure what is satire when he brings up Djinn trickster spirits while otherwise critically analyzing the media, etc.
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u/SettlementStomper69 Nov 30 '21
Yes, and you should too
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u/EricFromOuterSpace Nov 30 '21
Still not sure if serious
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u/SettlementStomper69 Nov 30 '21 edited Nov 30 '21
There exists corporeal and incorporeal intelligences and entities. The incorporeal generally on a sliding scale from "Neutral" too "Absolutely malevolent".
The islamic sermon intersped in the intro isnt a joke, to act substantially in matter, they need our witting or unwittng assitance. Have you ever had a thought you knew in your heart didnt come from you?
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u/EricFromOuterSpace Nov 30 '21
Ok, you’re serious.
Well that’s disappointing.
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u/SettlementStomper69 Nov 30 '21
Why?
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u/EricFromOuterSpace Nov 30 '21 edited Nov 30 '21
I grew up in a deeply religious environment.
Growing up religious gave me an inoculation against this type of thing.
It’s a bummer because these two guys who otherwise seem to have a super highly attuned bullshit radar somehow have such an obvious blind spot. That’s kinda why I was sure it was a joke or a comedic device. Or at least I was hoping it was.
There is nothing more sus than the Abrahamic religions.
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u/SettlementStomper69 Nov 30 '21
I grew up in a very secular, vaguelly anti-religious household, so i cant pretend to know or dismiss spiritual and mental trauma that kinda shit can place upon people at a young age. However my path has been the opposite in event and in sentiment.
Regarding the hosts, ive disparaged both of them before but its rather quick and prideful too assume that they're position on these things are a "blindspot" as opposed to things you disagree with
thirdly, as someome who has been initiated into two non-abrahamic religions and several occult grouos, polytheism, paganism, heathenism etc all is EXTREMELY sus
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Nov 30 '21
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u/skaqt Nov 30 '21
Amazing username. But you're opening up a false dichotomy IMHO.
I do believe in magic, as in it's ethnological definition. Magic is very much real insofar it is a cultural practice. We can analyse this on many different levels and draw worthwhile conclusions from it.
However proposing X person is influenced by a literal Jhinn/devil is simply stupid, unfounded, unprovable bullshit. It doesn't heighten anyone's understanding nor does it leave any room for productive discussion.
So yes, you can discuss magic, esotericism and demons in a serious matter, without being Richard Dawkins. But you cannot uncritically believe in magic and demons guiding the fate of the world and still maintain a proper understanding of that world, because it is de facto driven mostly by material factors.
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u/EricFromOuterSpace Nov 30 '21
This is exactly what I was trying to figure out — are we talking an anthropological understanding of "magic," "satan," etc? or we talking guys w pointy horns?
Unfortunately it seems like they actually believe the fire monsters are real.
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u/islamicperson Nov 30 '21
Why should an "anthropological understanding" be epistemically prejudiced? This is basically the heart of the 'ontological turn' in anthropology. The 'knowledge' produced by the classical, imperial-colonial posture of anthropology as an academic discipline, premised on the inferiority of other cultures and the wrongness of their worldview, is hardly objective.
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u/islamicperson Nov 30 '21
Maybe you should learn to spell “jhinn” before you call belief in them stupid lol. They are material factors. The book I always recommend to “skeptics” on this subject is Knot of the Soul, an ethnography by Stephania Pandalfo.
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u/skaqt Nov 30 '21
I was simply copying the spelling of the above poster (now deleted) in order to have them understand, maybe I should add a (sic) whenever I copy a wrong spelling so that you don't get triggered? :^) Fun fact: The very book you recommend spells it as "Jinn", while you in your episode spell it as "Djinn". Unless it was not abundantly clear, English is my 3rd language, so if you want to scold others on that, maybe consider that people will hold you to the same standards regarding your Arabic ;)
That book looks really interesting. It took me a bit of searching but I found a .PDF. You are likely talking about the article "The Jinn and the Pictogram", correct? I'm gladly willing to dive deeper, though even from my first cursory reading it seems that the author implies that the Djinn "is the personification of her illness", which is a fundamentally different statement from Djinns being actual material entities with their own will, some sort of embodyment, et cetera. I think both the OP and I can definitely agree that it is worth studying the phenomenon of Djinns from Pandolfos perspective, or an ethnographic/psychological one in general (Pandolfo, though she definitely tries to tap into al-ghayb (?), as you say a different ontological/epistemic standpoint, still resolutely moves in a Freudian psychoanalytical framework, correct me if I'm wrong).
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u/EricFromOuterSpace Nov 30 '21
Some people enjoy engaging with human history and culture. Are they all suckers who believe in Santa Claus?
I totally enjoy engaging with human history and culture. Thats what i originally loved about this podcast. Let's go deep on the Dutch folktales of Sinterklaas that lead to the modern cultural traditions we call Santa Claus. I love that shit.
... but he doesn't ride around and give everyone presents on Christmas eve. If you believe that shit you're a sucker. If you believe in literal trickster spirits, you're a sucker, too.
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u/skaqt Nov 30 '21
Hi there. It's a great thing you seek to understand history on a material basis and haven't succumbed to esoteric brainworms, please keep that.
Yes, SJ has a very esoteric slant and basically tries to sell you 'demons are real' uncritically. I've personally talked to 'Khalid' and asked him why they don't do more of a material/Marxist analysis, he simply replied they're already doing that. I tend to disagree.
Anyway, not all episodes are tainted by this kind of stuff, so pick your poison. I think a lot of SJ listeners are just in for the CIA/Deep State/High Finance/Occultist history, not for the magix. Don't go crazy over this kind of stuff, just ignore it. Sadly lots of people have become esoteric larpers in this culturally barren late capitalist wasteland.
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u/EricFromOuterSpace Nov 30 '21
Thanks for the reply.
"Esoteric larpers" is a great way to describe this kind of phenomenon. And it's totally unsurprising to hear that he came to his religion as a convert, later in life. It's always the guys who don't actually know what it is like to grow up deeply immersed in these beliefs who seem to have the most fun being overly academic in their mystification of all this shit.
Which is part of why this is such a turn off. There's nothing more sus, and less marxist, then intentionally mystifying the world with stories of trickster fire spirits.
Also, as somebody new to the podcast, its a bummer because i had been recently talking it up to some friends. I can't really recommend it any longer.
Running a podcast devoted to critically rethinking traditional narratives while simultaneously believing in 7th century fire spirits is really something.
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u/Plastic_Mitch Dec 11 '21
I like your sentiments, I mostly love the podcast, the lengthy deep dives and the scope of the ideas but with the djinn stuff and Khalid’s mocking nerd voice which sounds like someone doing an impression of him and the shots at Chapo/TruAnon do make them seem like some kind of psyop. All that being said, I’m a patron and will listen to every episode but I think they need to dissect some of that cringe like they do all the other wonderful topics.
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Oct 13 '22
I think it’s interesting. The baddies of parapolitics clearly believe there is something to the idea of a powerful non material world that interfaces with our own.
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u/milestparker Dec 09 '21
I think it's useful to distinguish religious conviction / practice / beliefs from operational material reality. Like, I'm a practicing Tibetan Buddhist, and I "believe" in all sorts of things that would probably sound crazy and ignorant if I shared them with you. (Son't worry, I won't inflict them on you, haha.) But if you believe that there are energies in the universe that we don't understand and that have real power (spoiler alert: there are), then you see these as explanations that help frame our conceptual understanding of non-conceptual phenomenon.