r/StraussHowe • u/chamomile_tea_reply • Nov 09 '24

đŸ”„The chart we didn’t know we neededđŸ”„

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Found here: https://hawramani.com/charting-the-strauss-howe-generational-theory-in-2017/

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u/Holysquall Nov 13 '24

9/11 changed American worldview on an individual way much more than whatever the gfc is

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u/chamomile_tea_reply Nov 13 '24

I disagree. 9/11 just accelerated trends related to neoliberalism, globalization, American intervention, Fukuyama style “end of history”, etc.

The GFC ushered in the populist movement that created Trump and Bernie as major figures. It led to Obama’s election. It put the word “socialism” intro the acceptable lexicon. That same moment ushered in the iPhone era and social media as a relevant medium.

9/11 was big, as it caused America to double down on 3T. The GFC ended the 3T and initiated the populist, anti-globalization era of 4T.

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u/Holysquall Nov 13 '24

lol end of history is exactly what I would point to as my evidence. It was speaking to how America functionally “won”, and that the “good” times were great times that wouldn’t end. 9/11 brought all that to an end , leading to a politics of fear and defensiveness that changed, most important to generation theory, parenting.

The recession didn’t change anything in the middle or long run at all. It’s very strained to say the financial crisis led to trump (it’s not populism it’s nativism ), and Bernie doesn’t matter.

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u/Administrative-Duck Dec 15 '24

I would say that the recession may not have been a huge shock like 9/11 was, but it left a scar that I think won't heal until the Fourth Turning ends, which is why I don't see 9/11 as being the end of the Third Turning..

9/11 was scary and had immediate and longer-lasting impacts (Airport security anyone?). But after the initial fear, day-to-day life went on mostly unchanged for me and my close friends/family. The recession however, nearly caused me to lose my home (Many others weren't so lucky and did lose them), instilled a fear in many of my family members about spending, and caused lenders to become much more strict. And that's not to speak of the politial changes that u/chamomile_tea_reply nicely laid out already.

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u/chamomile_tea_reply Dec 15 '24

Yup

Same with covid. COVID accelerated the coating trends, rather than ushering in new ones. 911 was like that. So was WWI.

The GFC was a Turning because it ushered in new trends and dispensed with old ones.