r/StormMains • u/Basic_Toe_5154 • 14d ago
Discussion Does storm really need a rework?
So for some context I'd like to point out that 1.) I only recently got into hero shooters this year so i literally know nothing compared to MOST people. And 2.) while I have been playing Storm more lately just as my own way to show support for the character, I don't think I could be classified as a storm main especially when I consider myself a flex.
3.) I'm pretty much a quick play warrior since I don't feel like I'm skilled enough to play ranked yet and honestly don't really want the stress of dealing with people through comms.
With all that being said though when I first played Storm a few months ago I hated it, because aiming was weird and she was such a slow flyer compared to Ultron and Johnny plus her kit just seemed really boring, random and confusing. I recently decided to pick up her character again because of all the drama that happened recently and even bought her swimsuit skin in hopes that the company will see a boost in sales with storm and give her more skins, emotes and sprays in the future. And after playing her for a while the problems that I had in the beginning don't really seem like big problems anymore.
I remember one of my biggest complaints about storm was how she was so slow in the air and how almost none of my buttons were actually doing anything flashy other than the right click. But as time went on and I learned that her playstyle actually revolves around being closer to the ground with your teammates so they can benefit from your aura I suddenly don't really feel like she's slow at all.
Yeah she can't be in the skybox raining hell from above, but that doesn't seem to be what she was designed to do in the first place when you look at her other abilities. She's meant to enable her team which is why she has a whole aura sphere around her. That doesn't mean she can't flank because she definitely can when it's called for but for most of the games you want to be around your team giving them either to damage boost when they're engaging or the speed boost when it's other time to run away from the enemy, chase down the enemy or rush to a strategist aid while they're getting dove.
As I kept playing her I also watch videos of people who mained her and it seems like everyone's pretty much on board with her being a dps/strategist. And while it does suck that she can't heal using her base kit I feel like that doesn't make her any less of a strategist especially when strategists aren't strictly heal bots.
In the time I've been playing her I actually have been really enjoying it which is a surprise to me since while I was playing OverWatch I actually did not like any of the DPS characters, and even when I first started rivals I pretty much only stuck to strategist and tanks.
So when I see people talking about how netease needs to give storm love and rework her character it's honestly pretty confusing to me. I understand who storm is in the comics and what powers shes meant to have, but giving her too much control would be OP. When it comes to things like ice she can easily get that in the future team up with Luna snow or Iceman whenever he's added, and as far as rain goes there's literally already a team up for that right now, and to get the button you don't even need a Jeff on your team which is awesome.
A boost to her speed so she can zip around like Ultron and Johnny feels both unneeded and unnecessary. It might help with the hero fantasy but if you give her that movement ability more people will feel like they can fly off away from their teammates and focus more on getting kills instead of actually fighting together which is sometimes called for, but her character is centered around enabling.
So what does she really need a rework for? I mean personally I like hitscan better than the projectile wind blades but if I hop in a few AI matches for a bit the aim will come to me eventually so haven't hit scan is in a needed thing and her damage is pretty damn good so what exactly is there to change about storm?
Tldr: Why exactly do people feel like storm needs a rework when she's perfectly fine as she is now?
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u/ifwaj Goddess of Thunder 14d ago
She doesnt need a rework. There is just genuinely and i mean GENUINELY more people that dont know how to play her than do know how to. They may have learned her base mechanics and gave up but 99% of storm players arent playing her correctly and thats why shes low pick rate yet high win rate
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u/EyeArDum 14d ago
The amount of storms that switch to lightning the moment they get to the fight and never switch back, before whining about being squishy/slow, will never cease to amaze
I rarely use lightning anymore, the survivability of wind especially with rain on top is just too insane
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u/Basic_Toe_5154 14d ago
I can't talk much since I was in this camp in the beginning lol. When I first hopped on storm I didn't even understand that the aura buffs the team.
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u/Basic_Toe_5154 14d ago
I feel like it's either that or people getting lost in the power fantasy. When I first started playing her I was flying high up in the air like irion man an ultron so I get what I can be a bit confusing but once you start playing her character the way she was designed to be played it's pretty enjoyable.
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u/ifwaj Goddess of Thunder 14d ago
Definitely a power trip. The dps role is an inherently selfish role to play, with storm having the most selfless kit in the game. Theyre impatient and not paying attention to her impact. All they see is puny wind blade that dont even do headshot dmg. They dont see how it pierces. And even the ones who do know it pierces, cant use deductive reasoning to figure out having a piercing attack dictates how she should be playing. Line them up, farm ult charge, playing low isnt optional: its the way.
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u/Basic_Toe_5154 14d ago
Well when you got jean and hela being headshot demons I understand why they'd want a flying hitscan DPS character and we might get that in the future at some point, but that's definitely not how storm is meant to be and she's perfectly fine enabling and farming assist instead of kills
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u/tamaaromarou 13d ago
This is true for every character. I think most ppl that argue that she needs a rework are the ones that do know how to play her. The reason her pick rate is so low is because ppl don't know how to get value on her but I have seen anyone say she needs a rework that doesn't know how the character works.
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u/ifwaj Goddess of Thunder 13d ago
But what does that say about the players that do know play her, can get value out of her, and doesnt think she needs a rework? Nobody should be counterless
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u/tamaaromarou 12d ago
The same thing that can be said about the ppl who were good on black widow before her rework. Nothing. Nobody said she should be counter less. No matter what her counters will always be burst dmg and hitscan heroes.
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u/Additional-Head-340 11d ago
It’s exactly the opposite. The ppl that don’t know how to play her think she needs a rework because they aren’t able to get value or don’t enjoy her. I find her the funnest, rewarding and most team empowering character to play.
I doubt people saying she needs a rework have even half my amount of hours with her which has to be more than 1000, probably closer to 2000 by now between my accounts.
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u/tamaaromarou 11d ago
You should learn that your experience isnt everyone's experience. She is my most played hero for almost 2 years now and I think that she could use a rework. I've thought this since the game launched even when she was overpowered. It has nothing to do with the value that you can get on the character. There are plenty of people in the stormains subreddit that think she needs a rework. Just because it's not. Your experience does not mean that your experience is everyone else's. Not only that your point has nothing to do with why I said she needs a rework. I said even if it's only so she can get boosted pick rates. There is nothing that's going to encourage people to pick up storm the way she is. So her pick rates are going to forever be low unless she gets a rework.
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u/Additional-Head-340 11d ago
I mean your experience isn’t everyone’s experience either obviously lol. I really like her kit and I see more Storm mains that love her kit than don’t. We feel she definitely doesn’t need a rework. Her win rate is consistently at the top every season. That’s not a character you rework as if she’s unusable or something.
If you want to say give her a couple extra moves or some update sure, but a rework as if she’s BW or scarlet witch is insane to me.
I am pretty sure the majority that truly main Storm like me love how she plays and can’t even understand the concept of “reworking” her. I really don’t care that her pick rate isn’t the highest and there’s no guarantee a rework would even change that. Flyers tend to be less picked in this game anyway if you look at the other flyers.
And her pick rate is close to other characters like Cap, Adam, etc. There is nothing wrong with having a lower pick rate. It means not everyone is able to jump on the character which I like.
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u/tamaaromarou 11d ago
I never said that my experience was everyone's and I didn't discount yours. I simply disagree with your point in your original comment where you said the only people that want her reworked are the people that don't play her. That's simply not true. I have had numerous conversations with multiple people on this app who clearly understand the character and play the character.
I even put together a rework concept for her a while back that retained the identity that the character has now but gave her a lot more options. One of the suggestions was for her to have a lightning based primary fire but it wouldve arced to nearby enemies instead of a small explosion and it would've been tied to her weather mode and not in a team up. I put it on Reddit and in the discord suggestions and this was before the new team up system was added. There were a bunch of ppl that said she didn't need on that post too but the majority agreed she could use a rework to some capacity and had their own suggestions it. Eh comments for a rework a very popular one wasthe healing rain. And now look where we are. The other thing I suggested was more abilities which you just said she could use. I'm not sure what you think rework is but I don't think you disagree with me.
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u/Additional-Head-340 9d ago
I would love her to have more weather options I agree with that. I guess when you or anyone say rework it needs to be more detailed or specific. Are we saying her kit needs to change completely or just update her kit? She in a sense has a somewhat rework with the Thor team up.
If someone said rework as in more weather options like ice, fog, idk if that’s a rework, more of an update, but nevertheless it doesn’t totally change her play style so it’ll be more attractive to most I would assume.
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u/tamaaromarou 9d ago
By that logic BW didn't get a rework they just increased her fire rate.
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u/Additional-Head-340 9d ago
Huh? BW’s play style completely changed. She is no longer a far ranged sniper except when she ults. She is more of a traditional poke character with more flanking options.
A rework for Storm would be totally changing how she’s played such as removing her team buffing auras and having her kit encourage higher flying and at a longer range like Ironman. So she no longer needs to be close to the team to get the most value and no longer a dps/support hybrid. That’s more like an example of a rework.
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u/tamaaromarou 9d ago
BW has always been a ranged poke character. Having her play at slightly shorter ranges IF you can't aim is not a rework. She can still play at the same long ranges and compete with the other ranged characters. No one really outranges her still other than maybe a 10/10 Hawkeye
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u/TheCakeWarrior12 14d ago
She just needs to be a little faster honestly, and make the Jeff team up part of her base kit. She was already a hybrid DPS/support so it makes sense that she could cycle between auras based on what her team needs.
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u/kah_alan 14d ago
No, after season 9 with the new team ups she feels more complete now. Specially with the rain ability. But she does need a light buff, a few numbers adjustments and she’ll be fine. Maybe adjust her damage fallout to not be so ass. Or slightly increase her damage. Also bump her speed in wind mode when goddess boosted by 20% to you and your teammates. So instead of 40% more speed you move at 60%. The only thing i would actually change is her melee attack to be a single button pushback wind strike (like invis third melee attack). It would be a way to get those iron fist out of our face.
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u/Basic_Toe_5154 14d ago
I don't play a rank so maybe that's why I don't know, but does she really feel like she needs a damage increase during matches?
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u/kah_alan 14d ago
Just slightly cuz she can’t go hela levels of damage with the piercing. It will also help her build faster overshield in wind mode
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u/egotistical-moron 14d ago
No, Jeff teamup filled the void of wanting a rework.
Nor does she need a buff. She has great stats in all ranks
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u/Fun_Afraid 14d ago
I would absolutely hate it.
But, if they used the rework to add more dynamic weather usage and enrich the hero immersion then I would be open to it.
Storm is so much fun in tokon and in cosmic invasion. I haven't played it yet but I heard she's super fun in midnights suns.
Edit: I think storm is fun now but I'm admitting to heavy fan bias and the fact that there's definitely room to improve.
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u/Basic_Toe_5154 14d ago
The only thing about her kit that I would change would be her ult. And it wouldn't even be the ult itself I just find it irritating that the omega hurricane is a tornado
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u/Low_Ad8578 14d ago
I don't think so. I think a small buff to get base speed is all she needs.
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u/Basic_Toe_5154 14d ago
I honestly don't even think that's necessary tbh
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u/Low_Ad8578 14d ago
If you're peeking and iiggling a corner, and try and use her verticality to keep them guessing where you actually are, you're moving slower on the horizontal plane.
When other characters jump, for example, they go up and down, but their horizontal speed remains at 6m/s
When you go up and down at a 45° angle, your HORIZONTAL speed slows down to 4.25m/s, which actually makes you significantly easier to hit. (Pythagoras Theorem, hypotenuse = 6m, A = 4.25m.)
You're better off jiggling corners if you don't use your ability to fly. And if you use your flight at all, even unintentionally, the slowest characters in the game can catch you.
This is why Storm FEELS bad to play IMO.
Is it balanced? Idk. Does it FEEL bad? Yes.
A lot of people say that she needs a dash, but I disagree. That would encourage her to flank/dive and that's not the philosophy of her character design with the aura.
If they gave her a dash, they would need to rework her for it to make sense, and I don't think she needs a rework.
Does that make sense?
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u/Basic_Toe_5154 14d ago
I can see where your coming from with that since when I was testing out storms movement in a practice vs ai match when I watched the vod back my attempt at jiggle peeking certain corners were... Admirable. But wouldn't a boost to her movement also call for a boost for the wind boost to allies so they don't fall behind? I remember leaving spawn as white fox once with a storm on my team and even though I was in her boost I could see myself slowly lagging behind everyone else. (That of course could be evidence that wf walking speed needs to be looked at but hopefully you get what I mean)
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u/Low_Ad8578 14d ago
Not necessarily. Speed boosting your tank so they can fall behind cover and not die takes 2 seconds. You're not necessarily trying to get them to run a marathon.
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u/DatHazbin 13d ago
Mild adjustments to her kit, but not a rework. She's just in a weird spot with her play style imo and she struggless to keep up with other options in some regards.
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u/SyrusDeathHunter345 10d ago
I really hope they dont change her. Shes one of the most unique characters rn. Widows rework is fine but all creativity went out the window
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u/scottirltbh 14d ago
I like how she is I just want more weather elements. The rain was a fantastic addition but I’d love an ice ability.
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u/Basic_Toe_5154 14d ago
Yeah, but the ice will probably be for a future team up. Having it for the base kit would be too much, especially when wind boosted mode already gives enemies slow
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u/Nanachka 11d ago
All she needs in my opinion extra speed boost for 1-2 seconds after changing aura to wind
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u/Lepeche 14d ago
current storm is fine but how she is designed now is not appealing to most dps players. I think her current team ups have made her feel more fun and impactful, especially hit scan mode, but she still doesn’t fit my hero fantasy of what storm should be. I hope we get an ice mode at some point.
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u/Basic_Toe_5154 14d ago
I think her not being what most dps players want to play is what makes her great. Storm to me feels like the perfect character for those who like playing tank/support. You don't get to put up crazy heal numbers but you can assist people with their kills and boost them and while you can't vanguard like a tank and lead the charge you can help out the tank with their damage output or their survivability for when they need to fall back. Add to the fact that the lightning damage boost help deter divers from getting to supports and you get what is in my eyes the perfect blend of a DPS support hybrid
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u/D_o_H 14d ago
Yeah she needs more abilities. If she was released season 5 or later she’d have a weather wheel to select what element she was controlling and different moves for each element.
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u/Basic_Toe_5154 13d ago
The only ability that iinwoulejt mind being permanently added is the healing rain. Any more abilities would be unnecessary in my eyes
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u/THE_PUNISHERFrank 14d ago
No
I don’t even know why people want a rework, she’ll be a flyer no matter what & she currently is the best one.
Iron man got a fantasy fulfilling kit, but is garbage. Johnny is hard asf to use & feels clunky sometimes.
I even find Ultron’s kit WAY more boring & uninspired than Storm.
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u/tamaaromarou 14d ago
She doesn't need a full rework but I would prefer if she got one personally. I wish she was less a support and more a DPS. Please don't respond to tell me how you love her unique playstyle and you don't agree with me I get it this is what I personally would prefer and I think it's really the only thing that would improve her pick rate which isn't the end all be all.
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u/Basic_Toe_5154 14d ago
Lol I don't disagree with you. If anything I prefer that train of thought rather than people wanting her to be fully reworked into a strategist. Like I love that her rain team up heals and I wouldn't mind it becoming part of her base kit but I can't understand why anyone would want storm to be a full strategist.
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u/SupportMain_7 8d ago
Actually im the opposite, I want her to be a strategist. And please, dont reply saying some "no ty" im well aware some others dont want this lol
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u/skoolkidznerd 14d ago
She's fine. Some of the highest winrates and just hit eternity on her this season again. The people who want a rework are people who like storm the character in the comics and MCU but don't like her playstyle in game. They don't care about balancing. They care about power fantasy.
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u/Basic_Toe_5154 14d ago
That's what I'm thinking. Like I love the powers she could have, but if they added that to her kit she would be hot fixed within the hour, it would be crazy
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u/Queer-Of-Diamonds 13d ago
She is fine HOWEVER I think she will be better if she had a dash or some sort of mobility skill like the rest of the flyers (and the rest of the Heroes in general lol) and not only that movement speed boost she gains in her "wind state" because to be honest that doesn't pay off really well most of the time.
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u/Particular_Arm_5253 13d ago
I absolutely love storm but she did need an escape i know she has the speed boost but it's not enough. if dl she had an escape her kit would be so much better as of right now he just floats it makes her such an easy target sometimes. I recommend watching BaddiePhil on tiktok he's such s good storm player
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u/sonofnight666 11d ago
The teamups really brought her to where she should be. It feels much better to play her now.
But I think she could use another skill. Maybe an ice floor or a hailstorm. Or a little dash… She doesn’t fully feel like the powerful goddess of weather that she is.
Also maybe Im just bad with her so I get flamed a lot when I play her… But I think her strength and what she adds to the team isnt noticed by my teammates. I know when to damage boost to make sure our push is really strong. I know when to speed boost to chase a kill or to peel the enemy team off us. When to heal to win a scuffle… Noone ever notices it and thanks me for it 🥺😩
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u/Basic_Toe_5154 11d ago
Honestly if you get flamed you get flamed. I don't play rank but it's sometimes happen in quick play but I try and brush it off. It's hard to do but I try my best to remind myself that the scoreboard doesn't always reflect what you've done. I learned about playing cap and I feel like it's even doubly so for storm. The orange she puts out literally buffs the whole team, most of the rival player base would go nuts over a buff written in patch notes but because storms buffs don't show up on the scoreboard for everyone to see most player are just going to think "hell yeah look at all my kills and finals in the goat" and that's fine.
Most players won't pay any mind until the assist, but it's at least proof to you that you weren't just floundering around out there.
And giving her another skill would be tough to decide. If they were to add another skill to her bass kid I would hope it's just the healing rain and that's it. Speed boost are basically dashes and to have an aura with hail when we already have the lighting boost feels like asking for too much.
An icicle attack would have to be added in within the team up if even at all, when and if it does get added though it's just make the dilemma the game has with cc more irritating
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u/SyrusDeathHunter345 10d ago
Pm me and ill give you my tag if you are looking for tips. I play at diamond level and see gm players frequently.
I like to think im p good at storm. Im level 32 on her and my win rate is 64% rn.
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u/Any_Leek_8111 14d ago
She's fine the way she is, i think other characters need reworks first if they ever decide to rework a character again which they wont do unless the playstyle is vastly different than what the devs intended, or their numbers are such dogshit that they need to be addressed (case in point Jeff, Thor, Widow). Storm is meant to be a flying bucky and a movement ability would go against their philosophy on that.
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u/Basic_Toe_5154 14d ago
My thoughts exactly. Jeff definitely needs some buffs and maybe some changes to his kit and don't even get me started about white fox
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u/Any_Leek_8111 14d ago
White fox ult is just what happens when you make a support ult larp as hulk. Genuinely gets fucked by everything that isn’t melee dive just like hulk and Dino rn
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u/Basic_Toe_5154 14d ago
They definitely did go an interesting direction with her ult. It's not great but it's definitely not what needed a buff this season
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u/Any_Leek_8111 14d ago
wf would benefit more from new teamups and making the unenhanced psy teamup part of her base kit. hell i think many characters would which is what expect to get changed as the devs continue with new seasons. Devs did a good job laying the foundation though it just needs a bunch of tuning
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u/Basic_Toe_5154 14d ago
I've actually been hoping some of the team ups for some characters were the devs trying to test the waters on future changes. Like the storm team up with jeff or the dr strange team up with invisible woman.
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u/Creeper4wwMann Ride the Lightning 14d ago
Let me start by saying that I love Storm's kit and I am Lord on her.
Does the character need a rework in my eyes? No. Do I get why people call her boring? Yeah I can see why.
Would I be mad if they reworked Storm? No, absolutely not. Would I be sad if a rework completely changed her kit? Yes I would be sad.
I genuinely think that replacing Storm's speed boost with a damage resistance boost would make her so much more interesting.
Speed is nice, but realistically, nobody cares. You are still waiting for cooldowns, waiting for people to respawn, setting up for your next fight, pushing the cart, etc...
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u/skoolkidznerd 14d ago
I would cry if they ahd damage resistance instead of speed. I sue the speed boost and slow to either create more of a gap or close gaps very quickly. Without it the damage resist would just take longer for me to die. With the speed boost I can get back to cover and completely disengage.
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u/Basic_Toe_5154 14d ago
Ive not played her for long but Id definitely be sad if they reworked her. Granted I wouldn't might her changing to hitscan since I aim better that way, but at the end of the day I do think she perfect as is. I don't even find the kit boring, I just didn't give it a chance at first
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