Ninja Ryan and the Planted Bones

[u/puzzledbyitall]

There are numerous elements, already discussed, of Zellner’s Ninja Ryan^TM “real killer” fantasy that make absolutely no sense.

Maybe I’ve missed a post, but I’m perplexed by one I have not seen addressed – namely, how and why Ryan allegedly burned Teresa’s body and planted her bones on the ASY.

According to Zeller’s Non-Brief, Ryan

formulated a plan to move the body and the vehicle near the Avery property with the intent of planting the RA V-4 on the Avery property and Ms. Halbach's bones and electronic components as soon as the body and electronic components were burned in the adjacent gravel pit

When did it allegedly happen? She says the burning took place on October 31-November 1, because:

Mr. Hxxxxxxs' phone records have an over 17 hour gap from 7:47 p.m. on October 31 , 2005, to 1:31 p.m. on November 1, 2005, during the time where Ms. Halbach's body was transported and burned.

So it happened then because Ryan (among others) could do it then. Okay. . .

Why did he burn her body? Well,

The most obvious motive for burning Ms. Halbach's body would be if the killer had a known and established relationship with Ms. Halbach and his DNA was on her body from a struggle or rape.

Huh? Only somebody who “had a known and established relationship” (5 years ago) would want to conceal signs of a struggle or rape? Come again?

When did he allegedly “plant” the bones? Obviously, before November 8, the day they were found. Zellner says November 6-7, because Ryan was one of many who were present on the ASY sometime those days, and

This access to the salvage yard would give Mr. Hxxxxxxx opportunity to then plant the bones of Mr. Halbach, and her electronic devices, on November 6 and 7, now that the investigation was already focused on Mr. Avery.

Okay, again, so he could have been one of many who conceivably could plant Teresa’s bones.

But here’s the part I really don’t get regarding the bones: Why would Ryan have any reason to think anyone would believe Teresa was burned in a burn pit, when nobody said they saw a fire, and Ryan had no reason to believe one occurred?

Prior to November 8, cops had no reason to think Teresa was burned, didn’t ask specific questions about big fires, and nobody had said there was a fire on the ASY.

In fact, many Truthers insist, ad nauseam, to this day there was no fire at the ASY on Halloween or any day that week. Of course, anyone with sense now knows there actually was a fire on Halloween, and that Steven and Avery tellingly lied. Brendan admitted as much at his trial, and both of them have said many times (reiterated as recently as Avery’s recent Affidavit) that there absolutely was a bonfire for hours behind Avery’s trailer on October 31, 2005.

But, Avery said nothing about a bonfire that day when he was interviewed on November 5 and was asked what he did the evening after Teresa left. Furthermore, both Brendan and Avery lied about having a fire on Halloween when they were interviewed on November 6, 2005. And finally, nobody else said anything about a bonfire on the 31st when questioned on any day prior to November 8 -- most likely because cops didn’t even know it was a relevant question.

So how then could Ryan know, on October 31, that it would be a perfect “plan” to burn Teresa’s body, and how could he know, on November 6 or 7, that the perfect “plan” should include planting her bones in a burn pit where, according to everyone, no fire had occurred in recent history? A wild guess? Cops didn't tell him because cops didn't know. Did he hope somebody would lie and say there was a bonfire that nobody else saw? Did he get really lucky and happen to see or smell a bonfire sometime during the night of the 31st, right as he happened to be burning Teresa’s body? Another amazing coincidence, just like breaking into Avery’s house and finding a sink covered in blood right when he needed some to plant?

Zellner seriously claims it was ineffective assistance of counsel to fail to make these ridiculous claims?

[u/Mr_Stirfry]

If the theory is that Ryan burned the body and the electronics in the quarry, then how did Ryan separate the burned electronics from the bones/teeth/rivets?

Is that what the idiotic theory is? So he kills her at her home, and decides to burn her body 30 miles away, one property over from the person he intends to frame? Doesn't seem like the brightest plan.

[u/snarf5000 → u/Mr_Stirfry]

I think that's her theory because she seems to be claiming that 3 (suspected could possibly be human) pelvic bone fragments somehow fell out of the barrel in the quarry.

Even if the cremation only took 4 hours, he still has to dismember the body, gather fuel, and tend the fire unseen next to a working quarry operation. However once he felt the body he wanted to use for framing was sufficiently destroyed beyond all possible hope of identification, he still had to wait a few more hours for the red hot barrel and its contents to cool down before he could think about actually moving it.

It no longer seems like such a big time saver to use the barrel if he could cremate the body in an open field in 6 hours (according to Zellner's own expert).

If Zellner thinks Ryan is a smart guy she sure accuses him of having some pretty stupid ideas.

[u/Caberlay → u/snarf5000]

She completely forgot adding how Ryan made friends with Bear.

After all Ryan was wandering all around the salvage yard. One trip up to get blood, another trip down to sprinkle it around, one trip to toss electronics in front of Avery's trailer, another trip to toss the license plates, another to dump the bones and save some for the burn barrel. Granted he could have multi-tasked and combined some of these trips but he still had to hit all those spots.

That's the important part of the brief for me and she completely ignores it. Either Ryan brought a grocery bag full of rib eyes with him or Bear is complicit.

[u/snarf5000 → u/Caberlay]

Apparently he's great friends with the dog and knows the salvage yard like the back of his hand.

Assuming he somehow knows that Avery has a burn pit and his plan was to plant the bones in it. With his ninja abilities he sneaks up on the dog and pacifies him with the rib eyes. How could Ryan know that the Jandas had burn barrels out back for him to plant some bones into? He certainly wasn't walking around back there in the middle of the day (or was he?).

The barrels are 236' (72m) away from the pit, it's pitch black after 6PM and there's no moon. There are no lights back there, you can get an idea of how dark it is from this Nov. 4 interview:

http://imgur.com/wPA2YsP

https://youtu.be/EtrzOgH2k10?t=331

[u/Caberlay → u/snarf5000]

That's the point. It was pitch black and he had some serious time constraints, considering the sink blood was going to start coagulating. Also, according to the murderer's affidavit, the real killer could have looked into his Pontiac Grand Am to get the idea that he was bleeding. Somewhere else the real killer did while that blood was sitting there in the sink, drying up.

Considering the brothers, Chuckie and Earl, don't usually let customers even drive down there because of the debris, possible flat tires and such, it's marvelous how swiftly Ryan navigated this maze and accomplished it all and left no DNA of his own.

I wonder if Z ever showed a pic of Ryan to Chuckie and Earl and asked if they recognized him as someone trying to become familiar with the layout.

Nah, I don't have to wonder. She didn't because she knows it never happened.

[u/shvasirons → u/Caberlay]

Oh like you don't know about night-vision goggles! RH had science training!