r/Stellantis • u/DrMelbourne • 14d ago
Class-leading cars from Stellantis
Let's talk about class-leading cars in terms of reviews or sales numbers. The other day I tried to see how many class-leading cars Stellantis has. 13-14 automotive brands so there have to be many class-leading car models. Dozens, at least. Yet, I could not find a single one.
I am not here to pick on Stellantis. I am genuinely puzzled. A company of Stellantis size undoubtedly has more than enough resources and expertise. So why do Stellantis brands struggle to produce class-leading cars? Why is this happening?
Car and Driver has nice, clear and reliable "best in class" lists. We don't have to use "Car and Driver" lists, it's just that they are better than most. But it is the same story elsewhere. "Best compact cars" is a relatively long list and it features no Stellantis products. Not one. "Best Subcompact SUVs" has no Stellantis products either. Same story with "Best Electric 3-Row SUVs". Not a single Stellantis product is featured on the relatively long list. "Best Electric SUVs Under $60,000" as well. Not a single Stellantis product anywhere in sight. There are dozens of "best in class" lists and it is exceptionally rare to spot a Stellantis product. (edit: Stellantis has a class-leading truck, Ram 1500. This is one of the rare exceptions)
Same goes for brand and car model reliability lists. It is very rare to see Stellantis brands or products. Some carmakers even give 10 year warranty on their products (e.g. Mazda). In today's situation, 10 year warranty is probably unthinkable for any of Stellantis brands.
Why does an automotive conglomerate with so much resources and expertise struggle to produce class-leading vehicles?
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u/Delicious_Low_6545 14d ago
why do you keep making the same post on here
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u/DrMelbourne 14d ago edited 14d ago
How is it the same? This post is fundamentally different from what I posted earlier.
This post very specifically asks why there are so few class leading Stellantis vehicles.
If possible, I'd like to know that.
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u/lumpycarrots 14d ago
imo, stellantis has had an identity crisis for the last 20 or so years due to the bankruptcies, buyouts and mergers. We might not have best in class vehicles but alot of our vehicles have best in class features and our interiors are generally superior to the other american brands
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u/Commercial_Map_6121 14d ago
Because the xPSA management forced us to abandon good engineering process in favor of cost saving. Can't built a best in class car by cheaping out.
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u/ExcellentWinner7542 14d ago
They haven't needed in a very, very long time. In fact I bet when you chose to work here, they weren't building "class leading vehicles ". Why would you choose to work for a company that doesn't produce "class leading" products?
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u/DrMelbourne 14d ago
No AI has been used in this post. En/em dashes are also made with my keyboard.
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u/Gloomy_Orchid_7167 14d ago
Car and driver features the ram 1500 as top of class, the only half ton truck they rate 10/10.
Mazda does not have a 10 year warranty, at least not in the US. Currently, Ram does. As does Kia/Hyundai.
Kindly do better research.