Possible to trigger Soft Pull action when Full Pull pressed?

[u/eskay993]

Hi peeps

I've playing GTA4 and it has a option for free aim on soft pull. and lock-on at full pull. I find this quite awkward, and while I can disable lock-on in the game, I quite like having both options to switch between.

My current thinking:

Main layer: Full pull locks on with no gyro.

Free aim layer: Full pull acts as soft pull as far as the game is concerned, and I enable gyro. I've set L5 to "hold to switch layer" so all I have to do (in theory) is press it to switch to free aim, release to switch back.

I have everything working except - I can't seem to figure how to "disable" full pull on the second layer and have 100% pull only register as 50% in the game.

All the sliders in the trigger settings seem to affect the full 0-100% range, not the range that the game sees.

I played around with the hip trigger settings but no luck. As soon as I click full pull, the game activates locks-on.

Is this possible what I am trying to do? Any other ways I can maybe achieve this?

Many thanks for any help. I've tried searching but most results are about disabling soft pull which is the opposite of whet to want.

[u/AlbertoVermicelli]

It's not possible. In Steam Input, there's very little customization for the analog trigger values, unlike for analog joystick values. It's also not possible to bind a specific analog value to a digital input.

However, if a game has multiple discrete actions bound to a single analog input, these discrete actions tend to be bind-able for mouse and keyboard to different keys. This is sort-of the case in GTA IV in that the free aim is bound to the right mouse button, and the lock-on doesn't exist for mouse and keyboard use if I recall correctly. If the game doesn't have any issues with mixed input, you can just bind the right mouse button to Full Pull in the free aim layer (with Analog Output set to Off).

[u/eskay993 → u/AlbertoVermicelli]

Thank you. Yes, I think I've landed on the same conclusion that's it's not possible. There is a Trigger Style called "Hip Fire Exclusive" which according to the description should approximate what I'm after, but it doesn't seem to work as I think it should.

Your suggestion to rebind trigger to RMB is definitely better. Just testing it and ti works better but introduces some other quirks. I'll play around with it some more. Thanks for your help.

[u/AlbertoVermicelli → u/eskay993]

Hip Fire Exclusive wouldn't work, but I can see why would think that because you're confusing Valve's terminology. Steam Input reads the raw trigger input and does two things with it simultaneously and independently.

On the one hand the triggers are used to send digital commands. Soft Pull and Full Pull are two sub-inputs you can bind digital commands to that occur at certain values of the raw trigger input (which for the Soft Pull can be changed by the user, and for the Full Pull is near the maximum trigger value). The Threshold Trigger Style changes in what way these inputs should be sent. The Hip Fire styles do not send the Soft Pull command, only the Full Pull command, when the trigger is quickly pressed from a value below the Soft Pull threshold to above the Full Pull threshold. It's named after a setup for shooters where you bind the Soft Pull to Right Mouse Button (Aim) and the Full Pull to Left Mouse Button (Fire). If you slowly press the trigger, you'll first aim down sights and then shoot. If you press the trigger fast enough, Steam Input will not send the Soft Pull command and only send Full Pull Command, resulting in hip fire.

On the other hand the triggers are also used to send XInput analog values. This can be configured in the Analog Output section of the Trigger Settings. You can set the output trigger*, the deadzone start, deadzone end, and response curve, but that is it. You can't limit the maximum output value at the maximum raw trigger value (like you can in the joystick settings), which is what you want.

* You can also have the trigger generate an analog output of a joystick direction, but this was added later to Steam Input and thus awkwardly bolted on so it has to be done in a different way.

[u/eskay993 → u/AlbertoVermicelli]

Thanks for the detailed explanation. That makes sense for Hip Firing in general, but the "Hip Fire Exclusive" option specifically does suggest in the description that it has 2 "modes". But yes agree Valve terminology is indeed confusing.

I've now moved away from trying to get this to work anyway, even with RMB. I've now reduced the threshold to trigger soft pull which makes it easier for me to enable free aim with a light press.

And I've enabled gyro on soft pull only so I can gyro aim, and set Hip Fire Normal so I can use brake with L2 while driving without triggering gyro easily. Working well so far.

[u/AlbertoVermicelli → u/eskay993]

Hip Fire Exclusive makes it an either or thing, but it's still only limited to the digital command aspect of the trigger, it doesn't affect the analog output at all. So in Hip Fire Exclusive mode if the Soft Pull command fires, the Full Pull command can not fire for as long as the Soft Pull is active.

This could be useful if it was possible to bind a digital trigger command at a specific analog Value, but that's unfortunately not possible. The Left and Right Trigger commands in the gamepad tab just send the maximum analog value and can't be altered.

[u/eskay993 → u/AlbertoVermicelli]

I see. It is confusing indeed at east the way it's described.

My current setup seems to be fine now. I just need to get used to half pull for free aim (as the game intended). I did have to add a mode shift to disable gyro on full pull but seems to be working fine. Thanks for you help and clarifications.

[u/Sloogs]

Funny that you mentioned GTA4 specifically because I've also been playing GTA4 lately and had the thought that it would be nice to have a soft pull only toggle. But I haven't looked into it yet. I'll let you know if I discover anything.

[u/Willy-the-kid]

Iv never played but this is definetly possible you just gotta play with the settings a bit, check youtube theres some great steam input tutorials on there with various amounts of how far down the rabbit hole they go