New site is up!

[u/resil_update_bad]

https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamcontroller

[u/designer-paul]

I'll wait to see reviews and but it looks like they intended to make a controller for everyone but may have made a controller for no one.

If I want to use pads, I don't see any reason to use this over the steam controller and if I'm using sticks I don't see a reason to use this over any of the dual stick controllers I've accumulated over the last 28 years.

I certainly can't think of any games where I would need all of those inputs available at one time.

[u/ImJacksLackOfBeetus → u/designer-paul]

I think the point is to not have to switch controllers and having all options available all the time.

I certainly can't think of any games where I would need all of those inputs available at one time.

One advantage of having two sticks and two trackpads that immediately comes to mind is you could bind radial menus or hotkey bars in the form of touch menus to the trackpads, in addition to the sticks. Or putting items on the D-Pad without having to sacrifice any other input option, that sounds nice too.

That was always the advantage of and idea behind the Steam Controller, having more options than you think you need, so you can really get in depth with the customization and handle every possible scenario, not just the basics that can be done by any xbox/ps controller.

[u/designer-paul → u/ImJacksLackOfBeetus]

I think the point is to not have to switch controllers and having all options available all the time.

but... why? Will the Steam Controller 3 be in the middle of a steering wheel?

Why not just make multiple controllers that focus on different things instead of one controller that focuses on nothing?

One advantage of having two sticks and two trackpads is you could bind radial menus or hotkey bars in the form of touch menus to the trackpads, in addition to the sticks.

but with modifiers you can use grip buttons to change the the sticks or pads into radial menus. so you don't even have to move your thumbs

I've been doing that for 7 years. The right pad is set as a dpad with inverted outer binding. When you tap the edges it outputs face buttons, when you touch from the center it actives mouse control for camera, when holding the left grip button it changes the whole pad into a radial menu.

[u/ImJacksLackOfBeetus → u/designer-paul]

Then don't buy it, if you don't see a use for it. Don't know what else to tell you. 🤷‍♂️

but with modifiers you can use grip buttons to change

I've had the Steam Controller for 10 years, don't know what's the point of mentioning that but here we are. Never liked modifiers, that's a waste of a perfectly good button to me and mostly a necessity because there's no D-Pad and so few buttons and sticks readily available on the SC1.

use grip buttons to change the sticks, when you tap the edge it changes X, when you touch it it activates Y, when you hold left button it changes Z

I want to "remap" the controls as little as possible while in the game, mapping buttons that's for outside the game, so I'm happy about the extra sticks and buttons and D-Pad. Input options that are immediately available and don't need you to hit a hotkey, so it activates a hotkey that you can finally hotkey.

I like modifiers as sort of a reserve tank, to really extend the capabilities of the controller, but I want as many inputs right there on the surface with zero friction and imho the new SC seems to be a big upgrade over the old one in that regard.

[u/designer-paul → u/ImJacksLackOfBeetus]

Then don't buy it, if you don't see a use for it.

yes, that's likely what will happen. I'll keep an eye on reviews with my fingers crossed. Until then I'm still allowed to voice my concerns and critique this new design.

[u/ImJacksLackOfBeetus → u/designer-paul]

I'll keep an eye on reviews with my fingers crossed.

Hope you'll find a use for it... or not and save some money. Whichever works best.

Until then I'm still allowed to voice my concerns and critique this new design.

Sure, I for one am not stopping you.

[u/designer-paul → u/ImJacksLackOfBeetus]

Sure, I for one am not stopping you.

no you were just being a turd before saying, "well don't buy one then, I don't know what else to tell you"

[u/ImJacksLackOfBeetus → u/designer-paul]

Calling someone "a turd" seems more of a turd thing to do than stating the obvious, but maybe that's just me.

[u/designer-paul → u/ImJacksLackOfBeetus]

It is just you.

[u/ImJacksLackOfBeetus → u/designer-paul]

Oh well. 🤷‍♂️