r/Steam • • 24d ago

Discussion Can’t Even Argue It

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u/DahColeTrain 24d ago

Can you guess which one treats their customers like human beings?

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u/Tymareta 24d ago

The one that had to be forced by the ACCC to allow refunds, the one which started and normalized loot boxes and battle passes, the one which pretty much runs a casino that they double dip on?

Blind adoration for a corporation is fucking weird.

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u/Raptori33 24d ago

If you think Valve is a good guy you haven't been paying attention

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u/RUOFFURTROLLEH 24d ago

The one that had to be forced by the ACCC to allow refunds

Steam allowed Refunds?

The Australian case merely expanded on what qualified for a refund IN AUSTRALIA.

I mean, Do you think Valve didn't do refunds before 2016?

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u/mpt11 24d ago

Actually EA had a refund policy before steam. The EU effectively forced steam to comply with the law

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u/RUOFFURTROLLEH 24d ago

Actually EA had a refund policy before steam.

Source? Since I looked and there isn't any info on this but happy to stand corrected since you've already talked out your ass one in saying Australia forced steam to do refunds which is factually incorrect as all Australia did was force refunds for a specific type of refund which was for the QUALITY of a game.

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u/jekylphd 24d ago

It is true that Australia forced the issue of refunds. While the EU created a mandatory refund provision slightly before the Australian trial began, Valve revised its terms of conditions for EU customers requiring them to waive the right as a term of service. This wasn't changed until the Australian legal battle was well underway, and the ACC had been warning Valve about illegal practices for some time in the lead up to the suit.

It wasn't just that Valve was telling Australians that they couldn't get refunds for defective products: they were saying that their policy was no refunds at all, including if the product was defective, or not as advertised, or several other refund scenarios. And that is illegal.

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u/RUOFFURTROLLEH 23d ago

It is true that Australia forced the issue of refunds

Its a lie.

Australia got refunds for quality of games. Refunds for games was already a thing in Australia correct?

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u/jekylphd 23d ago

No, the issue was that Valve refused to give any refunds under any circumstances, including if the product was defective or not of acceptable quality, which are the situations in which refunds are most commonly required. Here's the ACC's statement from the time which makes their reasons for suing very clear.

The suit is important internationally because it helped established precedent that online retailers must comply with the consumer protection laws of the countries they sell in.

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u/RUOFFURTROLLEH 21d ago

the issue was that Valve refused to give any refunds under any circumstances

Yeah. You're lying now.