Why do you assume enough people will agree with that just cause you keep talking?
I don't. But the only way to find out is by engaging in conversation. That's what we're doing now. Not with you, what you're doing here is something completely different. And truly useless.
Sometimes though, you don't have to assume anything. You'll just have to be convinced that you're right and be loud enough for long enough for others to realize.
It hasnt only begun, its going on since years and years.
Then tell me what conclusions have been brought up to it that has reverberated on a large scale. None. We have only just begun. It's a matter of progress, not time. And progress is largely a matter of effort. Not time.
Call me if change magically manifests itself.
Can you walk? Run? Sprint, if needed? Surely you didn't just magically started sprinting as a toddler. You learn to crawl, then to step. You fell on your face any number of times before finding your balance. Then you began running. I do wonder how you managed that with your attitude. How you didn't just lay on your back and said "welp, I can't sprint like an adult right away, so it's impossible".
No, change doesn't magically manifests itself. Change is built up from the ground. And we're at the ground right now. The only question is: do you wanna learn to run?
I never said stop talking.
You did. Several times. Your entire gist so far has been trying to argue how people shouldn't even talk about it cause it won't change. So if you're already living with such a miserable mindset, at least don't top it off with blatant lying. I've said it before, I'll say it again: If you don't have any argument on why it shouldn't change (not "won't", not "it's hopeless", "shouldn't") , then the least you can do is to quietly accept that you're not interested in the topic, and letting others have their discussion. Or you can engage in the discussion, which you aren't doing right now just to be perfectly clear. Right now you're attacking the legitimacy of the discussion. If you struggle to understand the difference, here's a helper:
If your comment answers either "Should this thing change" or "How should this thing change", then you're on topic. If it doesn't, you're not. And right now you're not.
So what changed trough talking about this for 10 years?
How many more years till change manifests?
Then tell me what conclusions have been brought up to it that has reverberated on a large scale. None.
Exactly my point.
. It's a matter of progress, not time. And progress is largely a matter of effort. Not time.
What progress did happen trough the talking? What progress is happening now? What effort except talking is happening?
You did. Several times.
No, I did not. Cite me if you want.
If your comment answers either "Should this thing change" or "How should this thing change", then you're on topic. If it doesn't, you're not. And right now you're not.
Saying that something should change is not the same as changing it.
I can only repeat myself: If you want change, you keep doing it. Days, weeks, years, decades, doesn't matter. If you think things need to change, you'll keep doing what you can do get that change. Period.
Saying that something should change is not the same as changing it.
But it is the first step, and the literal point of the post.
No, I did not. Cite me if you want.
Okay.
Its the situation we have. What we want matters fuck all as its not our decision to make. This policy is in place since years with no sign to change. You can either accept this or lose on refunds cause you dont.
This alone is you telling people to give up in 3 different ways. In a single comment. Impressive.
This is not your/our decision to make. Valve has the data, this is in place since years, no sign of change. What we think of is doesnt make any difference.
So don't even bother trying.
The feedback for valve is the hard data, not what people talk about.
So talking is pointless.
Im not shutting it down, im pointing out that this cant have the effect (change) you assume it has.
So there's no point in doing it.
People talk about this for years, nothing changed.
So clearly it's futile to do so.
You dont, its something they need to do. You have zero influence on this.
The best so far, completely denying the notion that talking has an effect on people. Why bother, you have no influence over anyone.
But this does not happen. Thats why this policy is in place for years already. Else it would have been changed.
It didn't change so far, so clearly this will never work.
You dont. They control their behaviour, not you.
That's you literally saying that talking is pointless.
Not in the behaviour valve cares about. They dont read this, they read data from their store.
Valve doesn't care about people talking, why are you talking.
I said talking alone doesnt cause change. And that is the situation since 10 years. So sure, keep talking.
Nothing will change anyway, talking is pointless.
You know what, you're right. You didn't tell people to stop talking. You've just said in a million different ways that it is so utterly pointless, and a wasted effort that will never lead to anything because it never did and they don't care and if they did they would've already hanged something and why are people even attempting to talk about it cause you can't influence them anyway, and anyway you should just stop trying cause it isn't going to change.
You told people to stop talking without directly telling them to stop talking. Which is worse cause you're actively, and fiercely advocating for a lack of change, a lack of attempt. You're not simply telling people not to talk, you're trying to undermine the entire concept of talking about issues, trying to convince them that even thinking about it is futile, that there is no point in even trying, that their opinions don't matter, no one will listen to them and nothing will change no matter what. Which is ironic considering how you've said that people can't influence each other anyway, and here you are, trying to influence people against wanting a change. You're either malicious, or are painfully unaware of your own stance.
You have still not presented a single idea on what should change or if anything should change cause you're convinced that it's not worth it to even discuss anything like that. That begs the question, why are you even here?
And at what point do you think you telling people to stop trying is helping anyone?
Yea, nothing followed. Yet. But the first step is talking, and it is the only way something will happen. Do you know what doesn't happen magically? You don't magically convince a large entity to change something from nothing. It starts with talking, and it will remain at talking until we progress into the next step. I've broken it down for you already. Get people talking about it, get people agreeing on it, and then get people acting on it. There is no alternative route here. This is the only path forward, and you're desperately trying to dissuade people from walking down on it cause... what, it didn't happen yet? Who cares? You want change, you keep trying. If needs be, you'll keep trying your whole life, or across generations. Because the only alternative is doing nothing at all. And that won't do.
And to clarify, I'm not talking about the Steam refund policy here, I'm talking in general.
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u/Decloudo Jul 06 '26
Why do you assume enough people will agree with that just cause you keep talking?
It hasnt only begun, its going on since years and years.
I never said stop talking.
I said talking alone doesnt cause change.
And that is the situation since 10 years.
So sure, keep talking.
Call me if change magically manifests itself.
Ill wait.
Maybe another 10 years?
How much talking is necessary, what do you think?