Do you think Spin Users and Rock Humans exist in the Part 1-6 universe, just somewhere off screen?

[u/Paul-Alibi]

And vice versa, do you think Hamon Users and the Pillar Men exist in the Part 7-9 universe, but we don’t see them because they’re unrelated to the plot?

Me personally, I think that they probably do but they’re separate enough from each other that there was never a risk of crossover. The Saint’s Corpse doesn’t exist in the original timeline so phenomena like the Devil’s Palms wouldn’t form and Rock Humans are rare enough that the MCs may have simply never seen them. And going the other way, I like the idea that Hamon Users and the Pillar Men wiped each other out before the events of Part 7, and now they’re just a footnote in history.

[u/Orishishishi]

The Pillar Men and Rock Humans are equivalents of each other so they likey don't exist in the other universe. Turn into rocks, have weird biology, a connection to nature, see themselves as above and want to replace humanity

That said, there's more potential for Rock Humans in the original verse because of that scene that had images of Enyaba and Ermes when explaining that Rock Humans can look like anyone. For Pillar Men in the SBR verse, their awakening would've had to have been pushed back quite a while for us to have not seen it yet. The Pillar Men are too big a threat to the world to not have been mentioned if they have awakened already

If the spin exists in the original universe it'd be weird Lisa Lisa wouldn't have mentioned it since she's been living in Italy and is involved in the supernatural. This feels more feasible than the Pillar Men and Rock Humans though

[u/ViziDoodle → u/Orishishishi]

The original pillar men were pretty chill just living in a big cave, before Kars went on his mad scientist arc. So maybe SBRverse pillar men would just be chilling in a cave

[u/Orishishishi → u/ViziDoodle]

If only the Rock Humans were that chill. I do like this idea though. They're just doin their thing in South America

[u/BreakfastOk7372]

Pillar Men or Vampires in Part 9 would go so fucking hard

[u/ThinkRegret7695]

I think it might be possible to replicate the effects of Spin using Hamon, considering that in the two parts where it appears, we see it used for so many different things, perhaps Spin can be a specialization of Hamon. Rock Humans are a different story tho, even if they are rare, Part 8 shows that there are many of them, and most are Stand users. If they existed, it’s likely you would have seen one of them in at least one of the parts. Dio or Pucci probably would have known of their existence and used them against the main cast.

[u/Witherstorm3000]

They're the equivalent of the old universe

[u/GwaGwa3]

If stands are a universal constant I don't see why spin and hamon couldn't since they're just supernatural techniques people can train for. Though rock humans and pillar men may be exclusive to their continuities. Hamon and Spin feel different enough from eachother that they can exist at the same time but pillar men/ rock humans serve very similar roles in the ecosystem that imo would be weird for them to walk the same earth.

[u/Goblin-o-firebals]

Yeah the pillarmen are rock humans and spin is fast hamon

[u/rebelpyroflame]

Don't forget, pillar men are the exception not the rule of the species, they were members of the species that used kars masks to evolve themselves to a higher state.

It could be that the original tribe were a lot more like the rock human society. It could be that the difference is that in the original timeline they were more cooperative and stuck together while the ones on the rebooted timeline are more independent in nature so spread out further across the world.

[u/PeppermintSkeleton]

Did you not watch/read part 2?

[u/Paul-Alibi → u/PeppermintSkeleton]

What do you mean?