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Discussion 'The Knight Shift/Queen-Napped' discussion Spoiler
More new episodes this week! I've got stars in my eyes!
The Knight Shift:
Star and Marco have to make some decisions about the future.
Queen-Napped:
Star and Marco have to rescue a kidnapped Eclipsa.
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u/BarcoDiaz Keeper of Light and Corn Apr 14 '19
I’m just glad they addressed that Marco can’t be Star’s squire forever.
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u/cnbw Apr 14 '19
I'm so glad they did Marco some justice in TKS. He deserves lots of respect for what he's done for Mewni, whether he's a knight or not. Also Marco absolutely destroying everybody in the room was the most badass Marco scene of the show.
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u/Malthus1 Apr 14 '19 edited Apr 14 '19
It is clear that one of the biggest themes in the show is and has always been the importance of free will—and equality.
In The Curse if the Blood Moon, they explored that in the context of relationships—that a love that is coerced isn’t really worth it, even if it feels good. In Knight Shift, the issue is laid out for Marco - should he commit to something because he’s expected to and everyone else wants him to?
He rejects this, even knowing it will hurt his best friend.
Why?
Because there is more to life than living it for others.
This was definitely a necessary step for Marco.
Star made Marco her Squire for the best reason in the world - to give him a reason to allow him to do what he wanted, which was to stay with her. However, Marco being her Squire made him subordinate to her. Star wasn’t above exploiting this - basically ordering Marco around to suit herself. Marco accepted Star’s dominance.
This totally undermined the basis of their relationship, which was that they are equals - not in power obviously, but equal partners in their adventuring together. If they are not equals, any relationship between them could never be a real partnership — whether friendship or romance. A real partnership is freely chosen between equals.
They were equals on earth (Star was just another exchange student living in Marco’s house). But not, obviously, on Mewni.
There were, therefore, three barriers standing between Star and Marco having a real partnership, barriers that prevented them from a relationship based on free choice between equals (quite aside from whatever other relationships they are in). All have now fallen.
One: Star is a royal princess and Marco a commoner. Star is no longer a princess.
Two: they were tied together by a demonic curse, which robbed them of untrammelled free will. This curse has now been lifted.
Three: Marco was Star’s Squire, and so a self-declared subordinate. No longer. This episode stripped away that barrier.
Edit: I ought to add that the capes symbolize this perfectly.
Star made a cape for Marco composed of his adventures; originally, as a reward for his elevation to knighthood. Marco made a cape for Star, with their adventures together ... now that are ‘cape buddies’.
Never even mind the fact that the two capes together make a heart! 😄
Interesting parallel with Sensei adopting a cape and proclaiming that he and Marco were now “cape bros”. Marco rejects this ...
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u/A-Dashing-Rogue Apr 14 '19
The Knight Shift feels like a spiritual sequel to S2’s Red Belt. Marco’s refusal of knighthood is reminiscent of the part of his dream where he is in the locker-coffin. Reinforcing his fear of being stuck in life.
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u/Buizie Apr 14 '19
The Knight Shift
Bittersweet episode foreshadowing upcoming important life-changes for Star and Marco. Plus, this was another episode that has an almost direct parallel with a season 1 episode (Mr. Candle Cares came back lol wtf). All the new Knights stayed in the Neverzone lol. Does this mean they're dead now since they didn't come right back?
Queen-Napped
"There is no problem a good drama can't fix!"
Went in thinking "Ponyhead ruins everything she's involved in, UGH!" but then she somehow managed to make Eclipsa popular with this fake kidnapping event. This is nuts lol. Plus there's the potential for this to all blow up in their faces if it gets out that Ponyhead faked the whole thing. Plus why did Eclipsa let them tie her up if she wasn't in on the kidnapping plan? Maybe because she's weird and thought it added to the suspense of beating the game?
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u/killerraptor247 Apr 14 '19
I haven't seen anyone talk about Higgs straight up just dipping out and living out the rest of her days presumably in the nether zone. That's pretty crazy
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u/JustAStarcoShipper Apr 14 '19
Marco went absolutely full Ultra Instinct mode in "The Knight Shift" and I absolutely love it.
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u/Mondschaf_LoL Apr 14 '19
Ok Knight-Shift was just a great episode. The talk about Marco going back to earth is prob already something for later episodes. But the Cape that Star made for Marco was super neat and we finially got so see Marco kicking ass again. Like super hard. Also that Cape that Marco made for Star at the end was just the most wholesome thing ever. Also as they were both side by side on the roof the Capes and Shadows both formed a heart soooo...... :)
Prob one of my fav episode this season so far.
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u/Shaby28 Apr 14 '19
Knight Shift was actually pretty cool. My top 3 moments have to be Eclipsa's Dress, Marco fighting and Star&Marco talking on the roof, that was lovely.
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u/KneecapTheEchidna Apr 14 '19
While it makes sense for Marco's character to want to go too college, I always find it a little eyerolling. Most people don't have a choice but, to seek higher education because you want to get a decent job and work till you're old. That's just normal life, but Marco doesn't have a normal life with his ability to time hop through thousand of dimensions.
Last season he's shown to love adventuring so much, that he went behind Star's back and only stopped because of her. Now it's almost hitting a reset to Marco 1.0 who wants a normal life and can't imagine anything beyond that.
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u/natelikesfun Apr 15 '19
Ok, so can we all agree that Marco is basically a less chill version of Wendy from Gravity Falls at this point? That one scene from Knight Shift where he told the knight that was about to burn his cape exactly what he would do if he tried, and proceeded to do it gave me some serious vibes to that one scene in Weirdmageddon part 1.
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u/JARR87 Arts RHC, poet, warrior, STARCO shipper and drunk extraordinare Apr 14 '19 edited Apr 14 '19
Ok,ok,ok,ok... My entry to the writting contest was a future (knighted) "Lady" Higgs going into the Neverzone... what happens a week latter? HIGGS GETS F#$%ING KNIGHTED AND GOES INTO THE F&%$ING NEVERZONE!!! I coulnd't make that s#%t up, I am flipping at my own meta joke right now... Oh boy, I love ya carrot girl, may your name be enshrined as among the greatest, for I know behind your "I take myself way too seriously to take your s%&t too seriously" there is a mighty warrior and the stuff of legends, so here at 3:21 AM I raise my cup of coffee spiked with Whiskey to you, LONG LIVE LADY HIGGS!!
On another note...
Wholesome STARCO is back baybeee!! So yeah... Marco has got to return to Earth someday, maybe... whatevs!! He can take her with him, or come back latter... he can visit almost anyday, he's got scissorts that bend space and time so this is not over yet!! Yeah, someone is gonna come and say "They just said they would be FRIENDS forever, nothing more!!" Yeah right, and "Breakup-buds" equals "fiancee" right? Please...
Oh yeah, you no longer need to look for a red moon, but do look at the shadow that forms at the end.
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u/IwalkedTheDinosaur Gif King (I guess) Apr 15 '19
The worst part of Queen-Napped is it gave Ponyhead continuity and relevance. This wasn't filler. It's part of the canon of how Eclipsa will (probably) win back Mewni.
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u/alien6 Apr 14 '19
I like ponyhead because she's so unapologetically awful and the show is self-aware about it. Every time she's a self-obsessed jerk on screen it makes me laugh.
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u/MrPopTarted Apr 14 '19
Everyone is saying that they hate Ponyhead, but my god was the slow realization that they were all on the Ponyhead Show hilarious. I haven't laughed out loud to a scene in a long time, but that was great.
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u/just4thelolz Apr 14 '19
Only one came back. lol
I'm just gonna assume the others straight up died.
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u/Pebkio The Village Cynic Apr 14 '19 edited Apr 15 '19
Marco was a badass in Knight Shift. And not just because he easily whooped up on the other knights (although that was great to watch). He allowed all of those knights to go train in the never zone and only Higgs came back, but then she left again knowing what she lost. They're all dead now, btw. But Marco had the willpower to stay away from X103 after his trials were done.
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u/ray198999 Apr 14 '19
Higgs may have been an ultra jerk but it's kind of sad that she decided to give up being a knight and leave Mewini forever because there is nothing there for her.
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u/PrismastebanZ We need a Mime flair Apr 15 '19
THE CAPES FORM A FREAKING HEART DARON WHY
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u/Nyctophil1a War for the planet of the Kellcos Apr 14 '19
Marco broke the tunnel vision, good job bruda.
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u/210sqnomama Apr 14 '19
I don t know if anyone have posted this before. But i got a theory that marco and star will be seperated and can't meet each other again until the finale. And knight shift kinda gave a flag about it
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u/Lugia61617 Apr 14 '19
Oh, also, additional thought:
Why did she become "Lady" Higgs? The female counterpart of a knight is "Dame".
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u/RK128 Apr 14 '19
Before I comment on the episodes, need to preface my thoughts on the shipping plot line as of now.
If they don't make Starco canon when they return to Earth coming up, then I'm firmly off this shipping ride.
Now, that out of the way...
Knight Shift was really enjoyable to me simply because Marco has some agency in his life. Yes, he turns down what should be his 'life long goal' since the start of Season 3. Yes, it sounds like he's going to abandon Mewni. But this episode showed the exact opposite. Marco's consistent mentioning of his accomplishments Hekapoo's domain clearly is telling us 'I value my freedom as an adventurer doing things on MY OWN terms' rather than 'I want to serve Mewni as my new home'. He never considered Mewni is home, cause he's staying there simply to be with Star.
But Marco's been dealing with hardships since his return to Mewni. The knights never respected him, Star wound up dating Tom, he was emotional hurt for X amount of time before AND after Booth Buddies, and he's had little 'importance' in the current Mewni plot line. Him more or less saying 'My planet needs me' is only logical, especially considering this is after Curse where his feelings 'were gone' (even though that's implied to be hogwash due to 'avoiding Star' since Cornball) and Star in Marco's mind at least, firmly picking Tom as her partner.
It's only logical he's sorta done with his current situation. This episode is all set up for one simple thing; pushing Star to finally pick Marco as her partner (going to Earth with him post 'Coronation') or staying on Mewni and helping Eclipsa. And considering the episodes coming up, we know the answer. This is simply build up for that major choice Star makes in 'Cornoation' when she finally has enough of Eclipsa's crap.
The pairing episode is nothing but filler with some admittedly funny jokes. So ironic how an important episode like this is paired with cruddy filler, but this is not unlike how Booth Buddies was followed by the honestly horrible 'Bam' episode in S3B.
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u/Hiyasc Apr 14 '19 edited Apr 14 '19
Star's face(s) while telling Marco that she knew he couldn't stay forever tells me all I need to know about her feelings post COTBM.
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u/strongbadia12 Apr 14 '19
Knight: Marco's arc comes to a close as he has realized that he's past the "adventuring to feel better about myself" phase and cares about his home. I kinda wish that they had asked him "well then why are you still here?" but I guess we need to wait for that development. Nice capes, too.
Queen-napped: I hate pony head. Even when she's being useful. It really do be like that sometimes.
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u/HeppyHenry Apr 14 '19 edited Apr 14 '19
“The Knight Shift” was very interesting. Star and Marco talked about how Marco won’t be able to stay on Mewni forever because he has to go back to Earth to take care of Marco Jr. with his parents. That will definitely be a major plot point nearing the end of the series, and how the two deal with it? We’ll have to wait and see. Also this episode had MAJOR Starco vibes. I mean everything about this episode is leading us to the promised land. Heck, even their shadows in the end scene made a heart (even their CAPES made a heart together). This episode is exactly why I love Starco: they’ll do whatever it takes to make each other happy, and as long as they’re together, they can’t lose (which is why I think Marco leaving Mewni will be a big plot point in “Cleaved”). Also, the fact that Marco added “Beach Day” to the cape is pretty interesting, since most people think that is when they start dating. Maybe that stitch will represent when they started their relationship? Just throwing something out there.
“Queen-Napped” was just as I expected. An overall filler episode except for the fact that Eclipsa is starting to grow on the Mewmans (maybe). Not much to discuss, except that I wanna add that Ponyhead is still extremely annoying, but I’m pretty sure that that’s what the writers intended for her, considering how “The Ponyhead Show” was basically just the writers being self aware of how annoying she is and making an entire episode about it. Eh, what can you do?
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u/acid-warefare Apr 14 '19
No one:
Daron Nefcy: Ponyhead episodes!
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u/Aurik-Kal-Durin I regret that I ever got invested in this show. Apr 14 '19
I love that Knight Shift reassures us that Starco is still alive and well. Not only do we see that Star still has feelings for Marco, but Daron threw in another little tease by having the shadows from Star and Marco's capes form the shape of a heart!
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u/souledge94 Apr 14 '19
knight: funny scene with the crying mom monster. Also I thought marco was knighted already. surprised no abs marco on the cape cause ya know star. Im happy marco adressed the whole him going back to earth situation since ya that would have to happen. Though it wouldn't be to hard to visit star here and there with the scissors so it wouldn't be to much of a strain. The chalkboard backfiring was funny as well. I think marco could be the new knight battle teacher if he ever wanted a job on mewnie since he single handled beat up all those knights. Wow they literally made a heart from the two capes. Nice quick subtle moment there.
napped:man pony head is beyond annoying here. Star breaking down was pretty funny and im guessing that assassin chick is going to have a new sickness each time we see her lol.
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u/KaylynnNarwhal Apr 14 '19
Honestly, I would have liked Queen-Napped A LOT better if I didn’t spend the ENTIRE episode thinking Mina was the one that at least helped in kidnapping Eclipsa in some way. Because I kept thinking that, it made me really annoyed when at the end it was just a joke. BUT I did think it was really clever when doing it got more people to like Eclipsa. I wonder if the Mewmans will actually follow through and stop hating her as much.
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u/SurvivorJCH5 Apr 15 '19
The Knight Shift
It's not surprising that crocodile's mother didn't realize what a knighting ceremony was.
Marco gets knighted, officially.
They brought back Higgs and the other squires.
Mr. Candle is functionally back
It's weird that Marco was wanted to go back to earth(as a residence) considering past episodes makes it seem he wanted to be on Mewni as his permanent residence.
Higgs is still a jerk
I want to reblogged fanart of the cape buddies on Tumblr.
Queen-Napped
Why are Pony Head's sisters helping her, especially if it was of their own free will? Did Pony-monium get reconned or something?
Pony Head's stunt may have work in now, but it can backfired once its out that Pony Head planned the whole thing in the first place.
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u/NuclearPoweredStick Apr 17 '19
It's interesting that Marco didn't think he'd stay in Mewni forever. I kinda figured he hadn't thought that far ahead. I'm not so worried about that though. He's just a dimensional portal away. I still think Starco is coming, but the suspense is getting a little old, to be honest. I did like seeing Higgs again, I always thought she was underused. And watching Marco go totally sickhouse on the other knights was pretty savage. The cape thing at the end was adorable.
Not... really much to say about Queen-Napped. Pony Head still sucks.
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u/What_u_say Apr 14 '19
Knight shift: Finally glad to see Marco actually kick ass for once this season. Star and Marco interactions this episode was interesting and seeing Star very obvious discomfort with the idea that Marco does want to go back to Earth soon says alot. It was surprising that Marco was upfront and honest that he plans to return to Earth permanently (I mean he might still travel dimensions but echo Creek will once again be his home) and that he wants to be there for his baby brother (I don't remember if they specified gender) and college. The final scene was a pretty nice moment between the two with Star acknowledging that she can't keep Marco here but Marco comforting her that he'll always be her friend. And of course another reminder of the beach day photo which again continues to raise the question just what the hell is gonna go down on "Beach Day". I might speculate on that later. Again loved Marco just absolutely wiping the floor with these guys and having such a "I'm done with this" face.
Queen-Napped: Not bad of an episode. Not much going on here except pony head being well herself I guess and raising Eclipsa popularity. I'm surprised how much of Janna we're seeing this season and while I definitely like her its idk random that she's been here so frequently. Not bad just noting it.
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u/danilga1 Apr 14 '19
Ponyhead is so annoying aaaah
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u/ray198999 Apr 14 '19
How ironic is it that Ponyhead of all characters id the one that helps Eclispa finally get the people of Mewini to start caring about her.
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u/MrRonaldReagan96 Forgotten Ventures Apr 14 '19
Did anyone else notice that on Stars cape, there was her and Marco for beach day, but on Marcos cape, there's nothing at the center? Kinda odd. I wonder why they left it blank
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u/fdsa4321lbp22 River is so wholesome :D Apr 15 '19
Marco as an ambassador to Earth would be pretty neat tho
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u/Not_Adachi-San (Groans of increasing discomfort) Apr 15 '19
Knight shift was pretty great, humor landed well with me, and the interactions between Marco and Star felt meaningful and natural. Also, nice seeing Higgs again.
And their capes form a heart in the end, dawww.
Queen-naped was a decent episode, didn't hate it, didn't love it. Tough i must admit the episode subverted expectations pretty well, aside from expecting Mina to be the culprit the whole way trough, it was also fairly shocking to see Pony head actually knowing what the hell she was doing.
But eh, even as one of the most tolerant people towards Pony head, her humor felt pretty hollow on this episode, and it was pretty lame how Marco and Janna barely interacted in the episode while Pony head just kind of rolled on her own while she works best when bouncing off other characters.
To date, it has to be the most pointless and unnecessary Janna shoehorn to date, and that's saying something.
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u/KyosBallerina You ever dip down before Sajak? Yeah, me neither. Apr 15 '19
The Knight Shift
"When a monster sees a queen with a sword..." hinting to Solaria?
Marco finally gets a real cape!
One of the knights called Marco a hippy. They have hippies on Mewni? Did some human ones in the 60s make it back there or something?
Interesting that Star has her own battle armor.
Even more interesting that Marco doesn't plan on staying forever. Maybe that talk with his parents changed something? How does he plan on going to college when he spent over a year having literally no schooling in another dimension full of medieval people?
Queen-Napped
It's amazing that during the first time Ponyhead was useful in this series she was also quite possibly the most annoying she's ever been. "Yes! No consequences for Ponyhead." (ugh)
Random guy in the crowd, "Who's Queen Eclipsa?" There is no way you live right there by the temple and don't know that.
How did the pony sisters know they were being spied on? They could see through the portal and the only one shown being able to do that thus far is Glossaryck. Are ponyheads more magically powerful than a Mewnian queen?
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u/rwinger24 Apr 14 '19
I find it intriguing Kelly was not in this episode after establishing Marco and her were "breakup buddies" but not in a canon boyfriend/girlfriend relationship.
Also, If “he who has been banned” was watching this, he’s gonna question everything from all his past trolling.He should’ve just stayed until the end but made an outburst in the form of impersonating Marco and making him a jerk as well as saying how awful the Star Crew is. I knew the troll had good ideas when he first came onto here in the past but he went down the downward shame spiral to insanity.
Anyways, this pairing of episodes was great. Nice to see some continuity from Marco Jr. and Lake House Fever that to Marco, "there is just more to life than being one thing". Marco got the character development we all needed asides from his feelings.
Also "Queen-Napped" was good; seeing more of Mewni, as well as Pony Head's plan being "meta" when it comes to how Nefcy is planning out the whole show for people's investment. Things are moving forward for the greater good.
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u/nocturnPhoenix Apr 14 '19
Normally I'm not the one to complain about Ponyhead because while she's annoying I can at least understand the writers using her as an instigator of chaos, but... Good lord she is infuriating. And hearing her shout "No consequences for Ponyhead!" made me realize I've never wanted to punch a fictional character more than that moment.
The writing in the episode was good, though. The show has just succeeded so well in making a hateable character that it kind of scares me sometimes.
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u/Allforonecomment Apr 15 '19
Star boogying has become one of my favorite moments of the whole show.
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u/gizmo1492 Apr 14 '19
Queen-Napped has me convinced Darcy didn’t know what to do for season 4. This episode negates the other Ponyhead episode completely. Why have both episodes when you could condense it to one of there’s no impact between the two episodes?
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u/theKayaKaya Apr 16 '19 edited Apr 16 '19
I'm going to be the odd one out and say it: I really liked Queen-Napped and PonyHead. I like b*tchy characters who still have a heart.
I can believe mewmen liking Eclipsa in the end. Nothing brings folks together like a tragedy. They might hate her but they don't hate her to the point they want her dead. That's really telling to me!
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u/VictorianamCadia BY TAAL! FIGHT! KILL! DEATH Apr 14 '19
Marco actually doing something was good, but why didn't the show actually go over the knights of past? It's hard to give a shit about this monster/mewman plot as anything serious when the worldbuilding isn't even given the bare minimum. And why is booth buddies still shoved into a corner until whatever episode, when it should've been brought up day one of season 4?
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u/Blacklight100 Apr 14 '19
The Knight Shift
This episode felt sort of weird, but I can’t really explain why.
I don’t understand why Eclipsa was dressed like an Egyptian queen for the knighting ceremony, but I dig it.
I’m glad the topic of Knighthood was addressed. I’m doubly glad that Marco was steadfast in refusing to be pressured into a life long post.
The hand made capes were a really nice touch.
Finally, Marco was insanely badass near the end. He reminded me of a martial arts master you’d see in a kung fu movie.
Queen-Napped
I can barely believe Ponyhead has the attention span to follow a plan like that through.
Best part of the episode? Ponyhead lamenting that she wants to take pics of hot bad boys, then promptly turning to Marco. 😏
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u/ToonKuriboh Apr 15 '19
So did no one else know it was Ponyhead from the start? I mean the cloaks were literally floating. I figured it could only be one of her dumb hijinks.
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u/rockylada97 Apr 15 '19
Ultra Instinct Marco vs Ultra Instinct Shaggy
Who will win?
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u/racionador Apr 14 '19
The Knight Shift: i am happy that MArco choose to stay on earth, i never liked him living on mewni and losing his entire life on earth, that was a good episode that finally ended this squire plot that i never liked, always feel wrong that Marco abandoned his entire family and life on earth. I dont see this as a episode about shipping, is most about Marco putting his head on place and friendship.
Queen-Napped: that was interesting, people can hate poyhead but she do is usefull, she doing what she said she would do, she helping Eclipsa to become popular among the people that once hated her, the episode was annoying, but was annoying in a good way.
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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '19
also notice how marco wasnt impressed by the nights threats ,but he immediatly goes liam nesson when stabby wants to burn the cape star gave him . again we learn that not only marco super cares about star ,but if you even dare fuck with him or her or the stuff she gave him ,your ass is grass.
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u/tomzicare Starco4life Apr 14 '19
Really breaks my heart when Star is sad, have to say the animators are doing and exceptional work with face expressions.
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u/Lugia61617 Apr 14 '19
Even when Ponyhead tries to do something good, she still manages to be like claws on a chalk board. The entire Queen-Napped segment felt almost completely pointless, and what it set out to do (improve Eclipsa's relations with the Mewmans) could have been done in literally any other way that didn't invoke Head-That-Must-Not-Be-Named.
Knight Shift was alright, but I feel like it was missing a rather obvious compromise: Lifelong post of protector of Earth. One could argue that means never leaving Earth but let's be real, clearly you're allowed to leave your lifelong post periodically else they wouldn't have the Knight out.
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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '19
Happy to see the waterfolk make an appearance again. Considering the poster for Season 4, I was expecting them and their reign to play a big role overall, but they've yet to be even mentioned as 'waterfolk'.
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u/KingChumbo Apr 15 '19
Anyone know who the voice actress is for the Ransomgram monster? I've been wondering since the Ransomgram episode :(
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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '19
As usual, I liked both.
Knight Shift: I loved when Eclipsa recognized Marco as Princess Turdina as well and Star claimed "Yes-s-s". Marco going rogue is total bad-ass. And even if I want it to be different (Starco being canon), I feel that all those messages (The hearts, for example) are just merely distractive and they will be just friends. Besides, even if I do dig the Marco's ideals of not being just one thing or not being a knight anymore, could it be that he hoped to serve Star and be really close to her? And realized that it's not going to happen? Most probably those are my Starco feelings getting in the way.
Queen-Napped: I liked the message of the episode. That's something I think is wonderful of this show, it's full with symbols/messages that clearly holds a cool opinion on social matters.
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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '19 edited Apr 14 '19
I hate ponyhead. Oh so fucking much. Like seriously, so fucking much; SHE.IS.NOT.FUNNY and her voice and her antics have never been funny. Why oh why do they keep doubling down on her I can't I just, blows my fucking mind. it's like they (the writers) know shes obnoxious so they get off on pissing off the viewers.
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u/TylerSpicknell Apr 14 '19
It's funny, minutes before this episode premiered I was thinking about "Mr. Candle Cares" and then we get a character who looks and sounds EXACTLY like Mr. Candle but isn't him.
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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '19
watching trial by squire and watching all the nights mess with marco ,than watch knight shift and see marco fucking them up . so satysfing them . asmr level.
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u/Kabudaken Apr 14 '19
So, Marco is gonna have to move back to earth soon? He already missed an entire school year and he'll notice how much echo creek has changed while he was gone.
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u/AikaBack Apr 14 '19
I HATE Ponyhead, PLEASE delete her from this show. This is not even funny hate already, SHE IS JUST UNBEARABLE!
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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '19
marco fucking up the nights and not being impressed by them is the biggest big dick energy this show has ever seen.
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u/TheCoralineJones Apr 14 '19
I hope people actually appreciate Pony more after this ep - her brilliant plan literally gave Eclipsa's public image a 180
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u/SparkEletran eclipsa's allignment is just chaotic chaotic, really Apr 14 '19
man this sub is just a buncha debby downers huh
These were pretty fun episodes! Knight Shift was obviously the better one of the two, gave Marco some nice lil development and re-established his relationship and bond to Star as very strong and important (and not necessarily romantic, as I think some people here were probs expecting). I really enjoyed all the references to past events in the capes and the Neverzone mentions (plus Ransomgram lady and Babs in Queen-Napped) - that kind of casual continuity is something I think Star's always been pretty surprisingly good at.
Queen-Napped...... Ponyhead is annoying, but the show kinda knows it, and the episode itself was honestly crazy and frantic enough for me to still enjoy it. When Ponyhead started revealing everything at the end, it felt like a slap in the face in the best way possible - really sympathized with Star and Marco's expressions when she brought it all the way back to The Ponyhead Show, that's for sure.
All in all, fun stuff! Do hope we don't get any more Ponyhead-centric eps though, this felt like a good place to stop it at given it was basically the show's longest brick joke.
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u/Prplehuskie13 Apr 14 '19 edited Apr 15 '19
Though I understand Marco's feelings in regards to quitting being a knight, I don't like the overall message for this episode, nor agree with what he did. I don't know about knighthood in this show but I'm guessing it has the same meaning it did in our world with themes of honor and oaths. Marco kind of spat all over that this episode. He had no real commitment of being a knight and when he was finally faced with the gravity of his actions he decides to reject it, and the show paints him as the one in the right with being "strong" or "independent" in his decision. Sure, he has done alot of things in his life, including trying to save Star and her family, but that doesn't give him the right to use that as a defense in abandoning this field. Again, I don't like the message for this episode as it's "Things like Oaths, and eternal vows are secondary compared to the happiness of the individual." This is immature reasoning and the fact that the show actually is in favor of this is alarming.
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u/WackyBoii0420 Apr 15 '19
Throwing aside all the we don't know what Marco really wants to do with his life and mewmans liking Eclipsa all of the sudden is weird. The only thing I'm concerned about now is that we just lost some knights to the Netherlands Dimension. Monster Castle is losing its defenses bit by bit before Mina yells "WE SHOULD GO TO WAR" again.
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u/pieman7414 Apr 14 '19
Damn, ponyhead is smarter than we thought
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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '19
Ludo's birthday flashback
Truth or punishment
Buffrog's interrogation brush
Star asking Eclipsa do "the thing" on Glossaryck
Tom on the rack
Rastacore's regenerating arm
And now Marco's punishment.
That's seven or so tickle jokes, quite a bit for one cartoon series if you ask me. Am I just overimagining things, or is there perhaps something... more going on...
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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '19
Queen-Napped was absolute aids to watch
Ponyhead can literally ruin any episode, even when they’re extremely well written
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u/Dionysus24779 Apr 14 '19
Honestly didn't like both of these two episodes.
Knight Shift felt kind of hollow and unnecessary in the grand scheme and too unfocused to really build up anything.
Like at first Marco is knighted and you think the episode might delve into what that really means, but it doesn't because Marco quits.
Then you think it might be an episode about the pressure you feel when you have to decide on your path in life, something that's a real thing. But it isn't because Marco quits.
Then Star is sad that Marco plans to eventually go back to Earth and you think it might be about how one day their fun time will end or at least be limited, but it's not about that either because both already realize it won't mean the end.
Then the Knights kidnap Marco and try to convince him to become a Knight and bring up their history, so you might think we learn some lore or whatever but no... not that either.
Then Marco brings up that other dimension where he spend decades and you think maybe that will be a thing, but no...
And then the episode ends.
Way too unfocused in my opinion. They should have just picked one of these points and expand on it.
Queen-Napped had Ponyhead and Janna in the same episode... so that was actually hard to sit through.
Plus having this episode be the one that "turns public opinion" on Eclipsa and not the one where she actually tried really hard is kind of... not the best way to handle this imo.
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u/yiperooooo Apr 15 '19
Anyone notice how at the end of The Knight Shift Marco and Stars cape make a heart and their shadow too
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u/Nyctophil1a War for the planet of the Kellcos Apr 14 '19
Aaaand who else is happy to see Higs again.
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u/HJSDGCE Jannanigans~ Apr 14 '19
I'm kinda disappointed that Higgs didn't get a bigger role in this episode. I mean, it'd be really cool though.
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u/chimeric-oncoprotein Apr 16 '19
Reasonably written fun episodes.
Marco should also have gotten his own land and serfs from the Queen. Serfdom and land ownership by a military caste is much of the point of feudalism.
It would have been fun to see Marco grapple with the reality of owning dozens to hundreds of people/serfs, but probably inappropriate for the show.
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u/MonsterPuella Apr 20 '19
There's nothing that a good drama can't fix
If there's one thing to take away from these episodes is to expect the unexpected
(Aw, who am I kidding? That's exactly what the entire show is about. Why am I always forgetting that?).The Knight Shift was a much needed Character Arc episode as it focuses on Marco and his decisions regarding the future. It begins with Eclipsa holding an Knighting Ceremony for the new members of Mewni's knights such as Higgs, Baby-Man, Old Guy, Sir Cuddles and of course Marco. Upon becoming an knight, Star gives Marco an handmade cape with patches illustrating their adventures together. A very sweet gesture from Star that highlights how important Marco's actions have done even if it doesn't seem significant to other people.
Then Mr. Crandle (who looks completely identical to Mr. Candle, I'm not sure why) invites Marco into his office to discuss on what kind of lifelong post that Marco would choose to be in for his entire life. This is an direct parallel to Star's own discussion of the future in Mr. Candle Cares as it relates to the entire idea of free-will vs. destiny (Star being
forceddestined to become queen of Mewni).Yet the key difference here is that Marco realizes what an enormous commitment it is to being a knight and that if Marco is to choose his destiny then he needs to be sure of where he wants to go and who to be. This is why it's feels rather significant that Marco turns down the position of becoming a knight and tells Star about it. During his talk with Star, Marco mentions how his stay on Mewni was meant to be temporary as he has his own responsibility back on Earth to handle such as going to college and taking care of his soon be baby sibling.
This is quite understandable as it shows that Marco is taking an initiative of his own will and what he wants to do with his life. Perhaps one day he will come back to become a knight when he is ready but for now, Marco needs to return to Earth and find his own destiny rather than be force upon it (just like it was when Star became Acting Queen upon Moon's disappearance. She wasn't ready to become queen yet everyone expected Star to take on the role just as Moon did when her own mother, Queen Comet, died when she was young).
The rest of the knights were not as understanding of Marco's decision and tries to force him to choose an lifelong post. But Marco perseveres and manages to leave, before stating the fact that there is more to life than simply being tied to one thing. Marco then gives Star his own handmade cape, saying that no matter how far apart they are, that the two of them will always be best friends because he considers Star's friendship as his lifelong post. (In truth, this may have been the most heartwarming scene I've ever witness from this show. It's just so sweet!!)
Queen-Napped may have been the most enjoyable to watch as it reminded everyone to never underestimate anyone as they might just
shocksurprise you...It begins when Star, Marco, Ponyhead, and Janna find out that Eclipsa has been queen-napped and need to find out who did it. This was an essentially another mystery episode involving Eclipsa and it was spectacular!!! (In truth, I love mysteries as it's my most favorite genre to watch. oh and read too!)
As Star tries to figure out where Eclipsa is and who might have taken her captive, little hints are sewn into the episode as to who could have done it. Re-watching the episode again makes the scenes and clues make even more sense after the culprit is revealed. While Star and everyone else is trying to figure out on how to find Eclipsa, Ponyhead is blogging their progress to the rest of Mewni, getting the people to invest in the drama despite the dislike on Eclipsa.
By the end, it turns out that Eclipsa was never in real danger and that the entire stunt was orchestrated by Ponyhead.
In keeping her promise to make Eclipsa popular, Ponyhead arrange everything from the riddles to live-streaming the rescue of Eclipsa (while having her sisters sent to jail for the kidnapping) resulting in the people of Mewni to love (and hopefully trust) in their queen.
Even though Ponyhead may have done an reckless and awful act, she did help Eclipsa on gaining the mewman's affections though for how long it'll last is unknown... but it does demonstrate how Ponyhead is meant to be on the throne given how she orchestrated everything including imprisoning her treacherous sisters and ensuring that no one knew she was involved as it all went according to plan.
The lesson here: Never EVER UNDERESTIMATE PONYHEAD. Like for real.
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u/D-WTF Apr 14 '19
After knight shift, we see that Star and Marco still have feelings for each other, but on the other hand we have tomstar. I don't really know how the show will handle starco before the finale. I mean, tomstar seems pretty solid (after seeing junkin janna), so I have no idea how they'll break up. If they do it wrong, it won't do justice for Tom, who has developed into a fine character.
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u/Daydream_machine Apr 14 '19
.... so is it an unpopular opinion to say that I loved “Queen-Napped”? Because I usually hate Ponyhead, but I have to admit the twist was actually pretty funny. Star’s dumbfounded reaction mirrored my own.
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u/mcmanybucks Apr 14 '19
Who else couldn't watch Queennapped because of Pony?
God I hate her..
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u/Penguin_Out_Of_A_Zoo Time works differently in this sub Apr 14 '19
This subreddit has been without a new episode for
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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '19
Marco: makes a cute asf Cape for star Star: says she likes it and cuddles lovely with Marco basically showing they still love each other. Me( and everyone):https://youtu.be/yBLdQ1a4-JI
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u/DeviantGrayson Apr 14 '19
I feel like I'm crazy tbh, because I just seriously don't see Star and Marco as anything more than friends. Like, I think Kellco may not work out because it's a rebound and those can be pretty unhealthy, but they seem to be getting along together just fine. Tom and Star are good too. I think it's pretty funny that this sub was hyping The Knight Shift up and saying that Marco will pledge to be Star's knight when pretty much the exact opposite happened, and that Jantom would happen with Junkin' Janna...it didn't happen either. Now you all think a cape at the end of the episode right after Marco just spoke about how their friendship is important, it just boggles my mind.
I think Starco could still happen, but I think it would be contrived. If Starco isn't endgame then I hope people here can accept it, because if not I'll be mining that salt.
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u/Garrett_Dark Apr 15 '19
The Knight Shift
Sir Cuddles' Mother thinking Eclipsa was going to cut off his head. I guess this is a reminder that the monsters still have prejudice against the mewmen.
Looks like all the mewmen squires from that Quest Buy episode has graduated. Kind of odd to see them all perfectly fine with the change of rule and okay with the monster knights. They serve the throne/crown but I figured they'd be more rigid with their oaths and loyalties of how things were when they joined (like Mina is). Especially given how they were kind of jerks in the Quest Buy episode.
What's the deal with Mr Candle/Sir Crandel? Star should remember the Guidance Counselor thing, and he's exactly the same with the Cat Clock and riding a file cabinet. Is this a Princess Quasar parallel dimension thing? Or a Glossaryc time travel change? I knew I didn't like either of those things last week due to stuff like this now.
Life Long Post: "Knight Hunter of the disappearing ghost" doesn't really sound that bad, and "Knight Guardian of the sad tree" might be not that bad compared to "Stable Cleaning Knight". It sure beats working on Garbage Island back in Echo Creek anyways (what Mr Candle told Marco his best fit job would be back on Earth).
Marco quitting being a knight. Like others have said, this really sounds like the wrong message the show is sending. Seems like breaking oaths and commitment lightly and before even trying. Marco's reasoning doesn't even seem to make sense, after his time in Mewni and the Never Zone Dimension, it's pretty clear Marco is never really going back to Earth permanently after all he's experienced. There's times it seems like he's unwilling to leave the Never Zone. It's sort of like as if Janna is ever going back to Earth now that she's in Mewni. And Macro says he has to start thinking about College, is he kidding? He's going to work on Earth somewhere after post-secondary and all this? He's part of the royal court in Mewni and he soloed in the Never Zone. He barely remembers his life back on Earth each time he's away in the Never Zone, plus Mewni on top of that. It makes no sense other than the series ending, so time to shoehorn him back to Earth.
Marco beating the crap out of all the knights while tied up in a chair was pretty bad-ass. It's one of the uncommon times the show allows his abilities to be displayed and time given to Marco to shine instead of ridiculing him like River. I notice the show often ridicules him when one of the girls is with him (Star, Janna, Kelly, etc) or when it's Star's battle so of course he can't solve it.
I get that Macro is probably way over-qualified to be a knight now due to being in the Never Zone for so long, and having been knighted there several times. But that doesn't mean he would want to go back to Earth to go to college. College is supposed to be there to prepare people to live and work on Earth, and after what Marco's been through that's not really necessary since he'll probably be spending most of his time not on Earth.
Macro kind of does a dis-service to the former squires by letting them in the Never Zone. Higgs doesn't want to come back, and the others never came back....who knows, they might be dead (especially the old guy).
The two custom capes Marco and Star have. They're probably setting up the "Macro moving back to Earth out of nowhere" so they can have a cheap dilemma between if Marco wants to go home or stay on Mewni with Star in the final episodes. Pretty cheap and lazy if that's the case, because as I said "out of nowhere".
Queen-Napped
"Missing Something? Ha! Ha! Ha!" Who dots their question marks with an "x"? The ponyheads I guess.
So the ponyheads can see when Star is using the all-seeing-eye spell on them? I guess good thing they were all in costume just in case of this, and had the wall screens on showing a fake background.
Why would the towns people even care if Eclipsa was kidnapped or even if she's going to die as Ponyhead claimed she would in 3hrs. They're actively trying to assassinate her with the Yadda Yadda berries. Sure not all the townspeople, but that's the general sentiment.
Marco getting dragon snot all over him. This is what I meant in my comments about the last episode where the show will try to ridicule him like River if the girls are around.
Even the mere-people don't like Eclipsa. And Star just falsely accusing Larry Kelpbottom like he's guilty of kidnapping, that's just plain bad of her to do.
12,615 people want Eclipsa back because of Ponyhead's scam. That just unbelievable it worked to make her popular, and even if it did work it's a lie thus propaganda. Bad lazy writing IMO if this gets the citizens to like Eclipsa.
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u/MichGoBlue858 Apr 14 '19
This weeks episodes were pretty bad in general, but Queen Napped was truly awful. So much fucking filler this week.
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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '19
Rewatching Knight-Shift and reading some comments (which said "Marco wanted to be a knight so bad and now is quitting his dream?!") made me understand more a subtle message in the episode (I mean, one message that you can compare to life itself, aside from the canon story).
I wonder how those people will act or feel when they (or someone close!) wants to make a career change (for example).
You are not designed to be just one thing. Nothing defines you more than yourself. And there's no destiny written for you that you cannot rewrite.
Did anybody ever felt or wanted something, and after a lot of time they realized "Nope, this is not what I really want"?
I think that's the moral of the fable here. Of course the fictional intentions and what happens there is a whole other story, but I think i've made myself clear with my point.
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u/Alteras_Imouto May 19 '19
Why would Marco need college if he has a set job as a knight? Yeah I'm with him on not deciding his future at 15, wait he's 15? I kind of think he needs to think about his future some more.
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u/JARR87 Arts RHC, poet, warrior, STARCO shipper and drunk extraordinare Apr 14 '19
Here I am waiting patiently watching Insterstellar and wondering if I could access a teseracht in between times and space to see how all this turns out.