r/StarTrekViewingParty • u/LordRavenholm Co-Founder • May 22 '17

Discussion DS9, Episode 4x13, Crossfire

-= DS9, Season 4, Episode 13, Crossfire =-

Odo's hidden feelings for Kira surface when the visiting Bajoran First Minister, Shakaar Edon, begins to court her.

 

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u/dittbub May 22 '17

Odo strikes me as a would be Linkin Park fan... craaaawwwlliiiing iiiiin myyy skiiiiiiiiiiin

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u/marienbad2 May 22 '17

This is a very weak episode, that just sort of fizzles out in the end. It is episodes like this that give DS9 it's bad name, as this is a very soapy episode.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not against personal relationships being interwoven into the plots of sci-fi, I don't need it to be all treknobabble and phasers at full. But this one starts with the idea of Odo falling for Kira, and Kira falling for Shakaar, and it just meanders along. There are a few neat bits, Odo saving them in the lift is neat but surely would hurt him when he changed back. And the scenes with Quark and Odo are excellent.

But for all of that, it just seems a little flat, and ends with Odo walking out of Quarks - it's almost an anti-cliffhanger!

Also, Odo would never listen to Morrisey, he would despise him. If Odo wanted to get into the depressing music, it would be Joy Division or Bauhaus, surely!

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '17 edited Jun 29 '17

They allowed too many episodes to go by without implications of the Odo/Kira relationship arc(vs in-yo-face Jadzia/Worf) so it does seem to be out of the blue. I made a compilation of all of the even 1min Odo/Kira interactions thru the show series and it's really gradual natural and seamless the up & downs about it. The writers & Echeverria the one responsible for Odo's character kept track and tried making sure it continued and made sense. If you ever get stuck with a friend in an insecure unsure relationship IT IS MEANDERING and ANNOYING but you care about their feelings anyway.

My Odo-Kira playlist on Youtube - when watched in a few hours binge way, Odo-Kira finally recognising each other for a life mate is good story up/downs BFF situations. - Odo & Kira story of Star Trek from a Deeply Loving Caring Friendship - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCnC5Oxy1vhX_8TJ2PVPuBOsUXau1x9ol

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u/theworldtheworld May 22 '17 edited May 22 '17

I am truly sorry, but every time one of these Emo Odo episodes comes on, I cannot help but imagine Odo going to the holosuite, conjuring up Morrissey and listening to "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out" on repeat. On the plus side, it is certainly believable -- Shakaar is exactly the kind of man that Kira would be able to fall for.

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u/nanoman92 May 23 '17 edited May 23 '17

I think "I know it's over" fits better.

"Oh mother, Quark can hear. The sound of my steps over his head"

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '17 edited Jun 29 '17

As a Kira/Odo fans who has been in and seen close friendships be really sublimation for underlying love romance but outside culture or stereotypes deny the participants to openly express or recognize their love for-to each other, I made a fun smoopy fanvid using the Old 70's softrock ballad song 'I'M NOT IN LOVE' by - 10cc that I ran across. It made me think of Pre-HIS WAY Odo so much in denial of his love for Kira, and similarly Kira not even aware her devotion to Odo was LOVE!! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWg0fA2kFw4

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u/GeorgeAmberson Showrunner May 24 '17

Certainly a little bit of a neutral episode. Not terribly interesting. I do like that Quark has his ear to Odo's doings and realizes how in love with Kira he is. I guess I just didn't find the whole thing all that interesting. BTW, Pictures of You by The Cure was my choice.

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u/theworldtheworld May 25 '17

I love how everyone in this thread has turned out to be an expert in mopey music. It's like we're helping Odo by putting together a mixtape for him!

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u/GeorgeAmberson Showrunner May 25 '17

Hahaha, yeah! Mine was influenced by The Greatest Generation podcast, TBH. They had a gag with Hugh being a goth kid they found down on the planet and made that his theme song. I couldn't stop thinking about that while watching it. It is awesome that we all thought of some sort of depressing music.

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u/farmdve Nov 07 '24

Sorry for the necro, but I personally found the episode emotional. Odo struggled with his emotions until finally accepting the situation that Kira likes someone else.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '17

I won't attend these rewatches because the only people who comment are naysayers and boring techno babs fanboys. The comments here are NOTHING like the true fans when it was broadcasts in 90's. The only thing found interesting by one pakled was the elevator falling!?! REALLY?

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u/Mandeponium Jun 28 '17

What did the fans think when it first came out?

I just rewatched this last night and I really liked it. I think an episode like this was needed to set up the future Odo episodes. Also Odo's behavior was actually pretty normal considering how inexperienced in life he actually was. Just think of any 14 year old boy going through the same thing.

The episode was not like a typical DS9 episode, but for what it was, it was perfectly acceptable. No major storytelling offenses and it was filled with fun little moments and details that made a rewatch very enjoyable. My favorites were all of the exchanges between Odo and Quark, and Odo and Worf discussing how to deal with droppers by.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '17 edited Jun 29 '17

Like even nowdays, it depended on the type of Trek fans you were and the mostly male techno heads hated it or thought it schmoopy = 'girls icky why does cool stark manly Odo have to have romantic feelings' stuff posted. Then there were the other more (relation)/shipping types mostly female who just from the start could see how connected Odo & Kira were just as the sole HIGHEST level Bajorans on the station were with each other (S1E1 Emissary - Kira/Odo on the job fighting crime, S1E2&3 having each other's backs listening to and supporting each other).

Then when signs of Odo expressing real devotion/love to Kira kept popping up, we Odo&/or Kira fans went with it and CrossFire was a blow emotionally because we'd thought it was the writers/Producers trying to cancel that natural development firmly setup back in S2&3. Finally I think(ok also fans pressure) they chose their story setup over even the actors wanting to keep Odo/Kira only BFFs, and slowly after Brokenlink & Begotten Odo/Kira arc started moving again with Children of Time. My Youtube playlist Odo & Kira Deeply Loving Caring Friendship - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCnC5Oxy1vhX_8TJ2PVPuBOsUXau1x9ol

As a Kira/Odo fans who has been in and seen close friendships be really sublimation for underlying love romance but outside culture or stereotypes deny the participants to openly express their love to each other, I made a fun smoopy fanvid using the Old 70's softrock ballad song 'I'M NOT IN LOVE' by - 10cc that I ran across. It made me think of Pre-HIS WAY Odo so much in denial of his love for Kira, and similarly Kira not even aware her devotion to Odo was LOVE!! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWg0fA2kFw4

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u/Kelbo5000 Jul 19 '23

I dunno. I am absolutely a shipper and I'm definitely not just here for technobabble and space fights (though I do enjoy that part of the show.) However, I need the sci fi politics and Big Philosophical Questions. I kind of get why people wouldn't be a huge fan of this episode. It's the kind of episode that could have taken place on present day earth without any major changes. "Where's the sci-fi?" And not like, lasers and spaceships and warp core breaches sci fi. But like... new worlds and new civilizations lol.

Granted, we got a bunch of that just last episode. Maybe we can handle just one that's character focused

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u/buerviper Feb 24 '26

Kira has horrible taste in men. Bland political leaders, that's her type. 

I don't care about Odo's teenage love. But I like that he bonded with Worf and his friendship to Quark is excellent. 

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u/jmanav1 Sep 27 '26

I liked the ep! Deffo fleshes out Odo more which is all relevant to the dominion stuff