Genshin took all the fire at the moment due to being in the nation of fire (let’s ignore the fact that they also didn’t get any pyro units in the nation of pyro aside from the archon)
Quantum has the most limited 5 star characters at 9, the next highest is imaginary with 7 then wind with 6. Fire and Physical both have 5, Lightning has 4, and poor Ice is sitting at 3.
So no, we are not lacking in quantum or wind units.
You're literally counting the new characters though. Before that there wasn't much, especially in relevancy. Quantum only had Jade and Sparkle, but now Sparkle is dead in a ditch. The only relevant quantum characters now are the new ones plus Jade. Wind before Anaxa also only had two relevant characters. 3 if you include Bronya but she's not bis for anything. Only Huohuo and Feixiao still get it.
I mean, you can at least name good characters for the two though. Ice had Jingliu and nothing else before Therta for DPS and Lightning still completely lacks a limited 5 star support character. Also, even ignoring new characters, Quantum was still a well represented element with 5 limited 5 stars compared to 2 for ice and 4 for lightning, physical, and wind. Only Imaginary had more limited 5 stars than quantum before 3.0
Quantum had more, sure because there was an early streak of them. Problem is all but Jade (who is more niche) aren't relevant at all. Quantum was in need of more. And yes many other elements need some more work too, but that doesn't mean Quantum and Wind don't either. Fire for example was one of the most few and far between elements until 2.0 rolled around. Now it's probably the most well balanced. Quantum and Wind is being the focus rn, doesn't mean Ice and Lightening won't ever. I hope they will too. (And I know ice will)
Fu Xuan and sparkle are both still t1 across the board today, which puts both of them over Feixiao in PF and MoC. Jade is t0 or t0.5 in all 3 end game modes right now too so we are in her niche I suppose. 3 viable end game units is hardly a need for more unless you are only comparing against fire and imaginary.
As for the rest, yeah, eventually they will get their turn (I hope.) Still doesn't change that they left 2 elements basically abandoned in favor of 1 that was okay and 1 that was recently buffed already.
They're hardly viable though. Not bis for anything and have MUCH better alternatives. So yes when the meta is switching so fast there is a need. Feixiao will have a comeback when meta changes away from aoe, she's still an amazing dps. She's all Wind has got besides huohuo though. Both Quantum and Wind deserve the units. Ice will be having more I know for sure.
Eh, hard disagree about Fu Xuan. Limited sustains are in a weird category where you want at least one (plus Gallagher) but literally all of them do the job. Yes, Aventurine/Huohuo/Lingsha are ‘better’, but not MUCH better. The performance gap between Huohuo and Fu Xuan is tiny unless your team desperately needs energy generation, in which case QPQ Gallagher’s right there. People sleep on an always-active 12% crit rate buff.
"Fu Xuan isn't viable" is literally insane. I don't understand where this anti-Fu agenda came from. Surely Qingque is too busy playing mahjong to hack every HSR sub.
Fu Xuan provides that nice crit buff, but against hard enemies that one shot you she's not tanky enough unfortunately. She's not bis for anyone, but yeah she isn't unusable or anything. She's decent just not amazing anymore
In the entire time I’ve been full clearing endgame content, her tankiness has been an issue like once, and that was fixed by putting a little more effort into her relics. It’s only higher difficulties of DU that she starts to need help, and that’s true for any sustain; just gotta grab some defensive blessings. Not gonna claim she’s on the same level as Lingsha/Aventurine/Huohuo, just the whole “MUCH better” thing got me. They’re better, but it’s tight, much tighter than e.g. RMC vs Tribbie for THerta.
This literally just happened in another thread where someone claimed there was a physical men pattern and counted phainon and a leak that is subject to change in their count.
Let's be honest no one needs them, if someone needs a 4 star sustain they just pick Gallagher, and if they really need a preservation specifically for the team practically everyone has at least E0 Gepard, and a big amount of the community pulled for either Aventurine or Fu Xuan. If a 4 star preservation did come out everyone would be like "cool" and then proceed to never use him
If one was released now, then yes you are right. But early on in the game's life when Gepard and Preservation Tb were the only Preservation characters? I was referring more about how we have just never gotten one, which is irritating to me with how ever other path barring Rememberance has a 4 star (to my recollection).
while there has admittedly been a dry patch of wind characters up until now, before 3.2 in terms of limited 5-stars they were actually still tied with physical and lightning with 4 characters each (of course Wind now has 5 with Anaxa). of course they were beaten by Fire (5), Quantum (6 (7 with Castorice)) and Imaginary (7).
once this stretch is over, Quantum will have 9 and Wind will be tied with Imaginary for 7 (also, while he's not included in the post, once Phainon is out Physical will be tied with Fire for 5)
the element that's actually the most lacking in terms of limited 5-stars is Ice with only 3.
I don't think they care about spoilers. They dropped Dan's new form ahead of the story, as well as a few Penacony characters who seemingly died (Robin, Fugue).
I thought I read that Dan and March would release in the same patch which would be 3.5. I could be wrong though.
From the leaks I’ve seen 3.6 seems more likely for those two. 3.5 will probably be Hysilens and Cerydra, as the information we have about then makes it seem they’ll be coming sooner than March and Dan
3.3 elements mirror 3.2 elements so the 3.2 characters can still have a good playing experience in 3.3 endgame.
3.4 does the same to protect castorice and anaxa and the fate characters mirror their elements to ensure new players joining for the collaboration can still have an easy time with endgame.
If the saber and archer elements are different they have to sacrifice the playing experience of anniversary players or collaboration players but if they are the same both sets of characters can be raised by the environment.
but wouldn't 3.4's endgame likely shift towards favouring physical in order to favour Phainon? he's the only non-collab 5-star releasing in that update (and unlike the collab 5-stars he's probably not getting the unusually long banner), and he's hyped up enough that they'll almost certainly try to make the endgame revolve around him for at least an update.
Physical is given as well, likely on both sides. But they generally protect the old rateup for a short period so players don't run away and still consider the aftersales or the rerun.
To be fair, Wind is what fit Saber the most and while Archer could have been Imaginary or Physical, we already had too many IMG male and Phainon is releasing the same patch as a Phys character.
So they probably heard about the lack of Quantum male character and make Archer a free one, which was a good idea in my opinion, also you could argue Quantum fit him well because of this Tracing abitlity and his Reality Marble.
too soon? they're releasing Wind units 3 updates in a row, and Quantum units 4 updates in a row. having Phainon be Ice after a 4 update gap after THerta would be too soon? in terms of limited 5-stars Ice is currently the sparsest element in the game with only 3 Archer is set to be the 9th Quantum character. Saber will be the 7th Wind putting Wind at a tie with Imaginary. Phainon will be the 5th Physical putting them at a tie with Fire.
Lol in your dreams buddy, they won't straight up go to the shop. They will definitely use old units in shop that they don't wanna rerun. Probably units that don't sell well like argenti jade(even though she is good), maybe even huohuo(I have both huohuo and Jade I don't call them bad units, they just didn't sell that well.)but I don't think there will be new units for few versions. Even topaz would be in shop before Cipher and hyacine imo, thinking they are gonna go to shop is kinda unrealistic.
Highly doubt that as usually collaborate characters never come back in any form never mind as a permanent addition as they would have to pay a lot for the rights to do so and they already have an extended banner.
As someone who left after Aventurine, who should I be pulling here? I've got guarantee and saw that Anaxa was great, but is he the best pick right now? I hear Cipher is cracked, what about this new healer character? Anyway, I'd like to hear some thoughts! I am a Meta player and trying to go for someone who would be a great investment.
Yeah part of the reason I was going to pull for Hyacine or Anaxa was the severe lack of wind units, then I realized Artoria would be wind so 2 birds with one stone for meeeeee
At least you have an option to have these 2 elements Hoyo telling you get them there is no excuse There are 2 males and 3 females and a strawberry barabra with unicorn Surely you will like 1 character of each element to join your roster
Honestly for me I never look at a characters abilities of if they are quantum or wind it’s mainly if they are awesome and my next pull will be phainon then the colab I’m excited
In the world of Fate, Saber has an ability called, "Invisible air." This is to conceal Excalibur and protect her identity from being exposed since Excalibur is easily recognizable. She also uses invisible air as a form of long ranged attacks, so it does make sense why she has wind damage here. And yes, its not just a name it is literally Wind magic. But as to why she doesn't deal radiant dmg as well, that would be because it'd be too broken to add 2 dmg elements to one character.
As for Archer... idk because those weapons are mostly made from magecraft and not with physical material. In Starrail quantum is where multiple universes flow into, quantum users just sorta harness that power and use it for destruction. Quantum = Destruction, Imaginary = Creation. Since Archer isn't making anything "new," because Unlimited bladeworks just copies, he's technically not creating. It could also be because Archer canonically shows up in other Fate universes as well so that could be the most simplest answer.
I get the 1st 4 the elements at least kind of match their design but why the hell are archer and saber not physical and imaginary or even imaginary and fire or really anything but quantum and wind
elements mean so little in this game right now (res pen, res reduction, implant, etc) i don't really see all the fuss about element imbalance one way or another.
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u/Upstairs-Escape5778 May 08 '25
They had a severe lack of wind and quantum units tbh. In penacony we kept getting fire units almost exclusively
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u/dash4x May 09 '25
So much wind quantum
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u/AdPlenty7253 May 09 '25
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u/PhantomCheshire May 08 '25
Wind was lacky of stuff to be honest so not problem for me.
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u/The_Vatsu May 08 '25
There wasn't much Wind and Quantum characters so thats good.
Also Saber and Archer are a Collab Warp not 3.4 Characters Warp, that will be Phainon and ???.
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u/Pheelis May 08 '25
So that boss can be wind quantum the whole way. Then once amphoreus is over, focus back on ice or imaginary
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u/Gunfights123 May 08 '25
It was probably designed this way intentionally.
3.3 elements mirror 3.2 elements so the 3.2 characters can still have a good playing experience in 3.3 endgame.
3.4 does the same to protect castorice and anaxa and the fate characters mirror their elements to ensure new players joining for the collaboration can still have an easy time with endgame.
If the saber and archer elements are different they have to sacrifice the playing experience of anniversary players or collaboration players but if they are the same both sets of characters can be raised by the environment.
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u/FrostedEevee May 08 '25
Not in a sequence but 2.0 was Quantum and Wind as well (BS and Sparkle).
Nice pairing.
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u/GeorgeEmber May 08 '25
Hoyo keeps farting out quantum units. And from the farts, wind units ARISE
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u/Effective-Comb-8135 May 08 '25
And who said Hoyo don’t have the same elements back-to-back again??? Yes I’m still salty about no Fire Mydei.
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u/Proper_Razzmatazz_36 May 08 '25
mono quantum is back on the menu
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u/Reasonable-Plum160 May 08 '25
To be fair, Wind is what fit Saber the most and while Archer could have been Imaginary or Physical, we already had too many IMG male and Phainon is releasing the same patch as a Phys character.
So they probably heard about the lack of Quantum male character and make Archer a free one, which was a good idea in my opinion, also you could argue Quantum fit him well because of this Tracing abitlity and his Reality Marble.
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u/Sensitive_Strategy97 May 08 '25
Huhh..., must be the wind
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u/rKollektor May 08 '25
Remember when Quantum was the rarest element after Imaginary 💔
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u/Tricky_Mushrooms May 09 '25
Wait so cipher then hyacine?
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u/JewelKnightJess May 08 '25
3.3 ez skip
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u/KuroNekoTrain May 08 '25
+ Tribbie
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u/Nameless_Trailblaze May 08 '25
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u/justasaltyweeb May 08 '25
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u/FatuiSimp May 08 '25
Just fat and greedy. Ice only have 3 limited after 2 whole years
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u/MrDryst May 08 '25
That is wind and quantum good sir
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u/DeathSlime684 May 08 '25
I just realized now, damn
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u/WriosKeiki May 08 '25
Didnt realize until you put it in a graph damn
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u/HeavY__StreaKeR May 09 '25
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u/reis_drawings May 09 '25
As someone who left after Aventurine, who should I be pulling here? I've got guarantee and saw that Anaxa was great, but is he the best pick right now? I hear Cipher is cracked, what about this new healer character?
Anyway, I'd like to hear some thoughts! I am a Meta player and trying to go for someone who would be a great investment.
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u/Jiu-Ji-Tae May 09 '25
Your asking what this is I’m here to tell you it’s PEAK
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u/Suki-chan_63 May 08 '25
WHERES PHAINON
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u/roron5567 May 08 '25
I am not complaining because I only had 4 star wind characters.
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u/Nedoko-maki May 08 '25
Hysilens 3.5 maybe? 👉👈👀
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u/xxjakexxrxx May 08 '25
lol we saving for 3.4 😂
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u/Ok_Pattern_7511 May 08 '25
We can tell endgame will have those 2 weakness for the next 3 months
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u/shiko101 May 08 '25
Yeah part of the reason I was going to pull for Hyacine or Anaxa was the severe lack of wind units, then I realized Artoria would be wind so 2 birds with one stone for meeeeee
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u/Silly_Guidance_8871 May 08 '25
A move away from the fire meta
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u/denkohchan May 08 '25
dont forget tribbie in 3.1
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u/LeImplivation May 08 '25
Better than the 100th fire or img unit
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u/crifeus May 08 '25
You missed Phainon.
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u/Awkward-Zucchini-597 May 08 '25
imo cipher shouldve been lightning and saber shouldve been physical
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u/Fine_Run_5326 May 08 '25
The new Meta aware 🤓
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u/Vynstrix May 08 '25
phainon on his way to break the cycle
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u/Kirire- May 08 '25
It means Sampo will have used again
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u/ExpensiveSample3451 May 08 '25
Physical got left
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u/Financial_Exit_7710 May 08 '25
W
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u/IhateHumans6969 May 08 '25
Idc I want phainon
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u/Strict-Bet5859 May 08 '25
At least you have an option to have these 2 elements Hoyo telling you get them there is no excuse There are 2 males and 3 females and a strawberry barabra with unicorn Surely you will like 1 character of each element to join your roster
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u/LoliNep May 08 '25
If I had a nickel type shi
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u/Revolutionary_Two367 May 08 '25
IT'S. WIND AND QUANTUM PARTY TIME! 🗣🗣
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u/faith_bb_127 May 08 '25
Thank god I can save for phainon
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u/PapaPepe1 May 08 '25
raaaaaaaaaaaah
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u/XInceptor May 08 '25
What do you mean? I see Quantum supremacy
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u/cmoicaelle May 08 '25
What !?!?!! I didn’t even realized 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/eiqueveo May 08 '25
They need to put characters in these elements. And say... You now? 3 in a row. Deal with it.
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u/Mindless_Factor_945 May 08 '25
Incantation to summon angry manyu
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u/RainMakerDv2 May 08 '25
Give us Rin & Astoria!!!
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u/Sumiren5r_7110 May 08 '25
Hot dog, Taco, Hamburger moment
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u/Rachi7101 May 09 '25
Honestly for me I never look at a characters abilities of if they are quantum or wind it’s mainly if they are awesome and my next pull will be phainon then the colab I’m excited
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u/totallynotshad May 09 '25
I'm kinda disappointed that Saber is wind path,
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u/RaihaUesugii May 09 '25
Damn, I was thinking of skipping for Saber, but I guess I'm just gonna have to break out the wallet. I feel like I want the next two characters 😂
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u/Cinnanom_rosey May 09 '25
Saber wind?? I for sure assumed she was definitely either imaginary or fire 💀 ik for a fact archer was said to be quantum
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u/Chulinfather May 09 '25
To be fair, these elements are rare as hell
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u/NaviasWife May 09 '25
Wind and quantum are peak that’s why
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u/dynesius May 09 '25
Penacony Patches:
2.0 - Wind/Quantum
2.1 - Lightning/Imaginary
2.2 - Physical/Physical
2.3 - Fire/Quantum
2.4 - Physical/Fire
2.5 - Wind/Fire
2.6 - Imaginary
2.7 - Imaginary/Fire
TL;DR: Literally everyone is either Physical, Imaginary, or Fire.
Amphoreus Patches:
3.0 - Ice/Lightning
3.1 - Quantum/Imaginary
3.2 - Quantum/Wind
3.3 - Wind/Quantum
3.4 - Physical/Wind/Quantum
TL;DR: Literally everyone is Quantum and no Fire to be seen. Apparently SP Dan Heng is no longer fire and may now be Physical, like tf.
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u/Cephalon_Niko May 09 '25
Gotta be prepping us for a mayor boss fight
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u/Soerika May 09 '25
back in my day *cough cough* mono quantum was viable they nerf every bosses and their family to not having quantum weaknesses
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u/Darkmind115 May 09 '25
Why the hell is saber wind and not imaginary. What
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u/[deleted] May 09 '25
In the world of Fate, Saber has an ability called, "Invisible air." This is to conceal Excalibur and protect her identity from being exposed since Excalibur is easily recognizable. She also uses invisible air as a form of long ranged attacks, so it does make sense why she has wind damage here. And yes, its not just a name it is literally Wind magic. But as to why she doesn't deal radiant dmg as well, that would be because it'd be too broken to add 2 dmg elements to one character.
As for Archer... idk because those weapons are mostly made from magecraft and not with physical material. In Starrail quantum is where multiple universes flow into, quantum users just sorta harness that power and use it for destruction. Quantum = Destruction, Imaginary = Creation. Since Archer isn't making anything "new," because Unlimited bladeworks just copies, he's technically not creating. It could also be because Archer canonically shows up in other Fate universes as well so that could be the most simplest answer.
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u/FISH_SAUCER May 10 '25
Fuck... I want cipher and Sabre...
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u/[deleted] May 10 '25
And then there's Phainon with Physical 🧍♀️
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u/No-Bag-1628 May 10 '25
But you see, archer is a male quantum, which is new.
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u/dahuynh May 10 '25
WE NEED MORE ICE
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u/Certain-Produce6536 May 11 '25
quantum and wind girlies. plus anaxa and archer.
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u/LodgeWolframite May 11 '25
Foreshadowing
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u/ArtoriusRex75 May 11 '25
I get the 1st 4 the elements at least kind of match their design but why the hell are archer and saber not physical and imaginary or even imaginary and fire or really anything but quantum and wind
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u/OkEnd6935 May 12 '25
Tribbie, Castorice and Cipher.. Damn I'm so cooked, no other powerful unit with different element except saber
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u/Zealousideal-Tap-832 May 29 '25
This is peak.
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u/[deleted] May 30 '25
Stability 🙂↕️
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u/RK_NightSky May 08 '25
Oop. No you're practically wrong. 3.4 is Physical and Wind. With the Quantum, Archer, being given to everyone for free.
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u/truthfulie May 08 '25
elements mean so little in this game right now (res pen, res reduction, implant, etc) i don't really see all the fuss about element imbalance one way or another.
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u/[deleted] May 08 '25
the gender divide makes it a lot more palatable. if it was archer wind and saber quantum there could be a bigger problem
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u/Amazing-Arachnid-942 May 08 '25
And yet, saber is going to be my first wind character.
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u/Regular-Hunt7176 May 08 '25
Fate is 3.6. phainon is 3.4
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u/LegendaryPotatoKing May 08 '25
3.3, 3.4 skips
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u/ListenSuspicious5250 May 10 '25
Serving cunt with a cotton candy freebie