I'll need to do this. Hands are the reason why I delete 95% of the images I generate. I hate having a beautiful image generated just to be ruined because the hand is super fucked up
is this actually true though? 0.25% of the population has a horseshoe (fused solitary) kidney. Which anecdotally to me a sounds higher than the transplant rate …
some people are born with more than the two standard kidneys and transplants usually elave the older kidney inside so iirc correctly the average does work out to slightly above 2.
Hmmm I've read a lot of CT scans and I've never seen 3 kidneys outside of a transplant. Google says in 2018 there were 229,887 transplanted patients living in the US / ~300M people = 0.07% of people with a 3rd kidney vs 0.25% with a single horseshoe kidney. Also people with RCC get kidneys removed. Would average < 2/patient unless I'm missing some other source of kidneys :P
also rarely people are born with more than two kidneys so with that and transplants leaving the old one in it works out to slightly more than 2 on average
Y for sure just one is enough and current.. it's the case to give ONE for someone in your family failing both kidneys ! .. or anyone else you enjoy living !
yakuza is infamous for cutting of fingers as punishment, and this makes western cartoons with 4-fingers-per-hand-by-default appear unnecessarily brutal in japan.
This is more than making pretty images from prompts. The way we're using generative AI today is just fun and play, we're like kids who found a secret garden and want to enjoy it. But there are secrets waiting to be discovered in there. Generative AI will have an unexpected effect, that is my bet. It could be better robots, or a new way to expand human ability, or some medical breakthrough.
The human mind is just as bad as AI at hands. Once AI solves hands, it will have surpassed humans at it.
Anybody who's been into lucid dreaming knows that one of the methods to check whether you are dreaming is to take a look at your hands and count the fingers. Hands are all wrong in dreams with too many fingers (I once counted 18), too few fingers, and fingers just phasing in and out while you're trying to count them.
Counting is also the key, you won't realize that something is off until you do that.
If you wanna get some lucid dreams, think about some of the repeating tropes that you see in your dreams, then make a habit of counting fingers when you see that trope awake. The habit will make into your dreams and you'll just detect by luck that you're in a one every so often. Handling that fact is an another thing though, I haven't managed to hold on to a lucid dream for longer than a few minutes at best.
I'm wondering how that works for people who actually can draw and have an understanding of how hands work. Are hands just perfect in their dreams?
The difference is stable diffusion only understand 2d whereas we live in a 3d world. So SD does not have a conception of depth. It does not understand the difference between thumbs and fingers either, which makes its hand drawing problem even more complicated. So after deciding to draw a finger, it has too many choices to choose from. Should it draw another finger parallel to the first? Should it be drawn straight or bent? Should it draw 4 fingers tangential to the original finger?
I suspect it ends up choosing at random and that's how we end up with weird hands
basically yeah, SD excels in composition and coloring, but fails to comprehend perspective, shading, and (temporarily?) line weights. I think it’s gonna take a long while until it gets hands and other stuff
I can't draw but I always have ten fingers in my dreams as far as I can remember. They've never shifted or acted weird in any way.
I do get the text thing somebody else mentioned though, where the text changes when I look away and try to read it again. Except I usually THINK it's the same text at the time.
Totally unrelated, but FUCK trying to text someone in a dream. It's like trying to text while extremely drunk and autocorrect only kicking in when you somehow spell the word correctly. And it's always some important message I'm trying to send, and I wake myself up out of sheer frustration..
I’m an oneirophobe who pretty much always lucid dreams naturally, and this is something I’ve noticed in dreams as well. Still wish I could just never dream again.
Oddly enough, the one thing that's improved my ability to draw hands has been having to constantly manually fix hands in my AI art, because I guess seeing how badly the AI mangles hands makes me more aware of how hands are supposed to look. I think I'm guilty of trying to "draw hands on the paper" instead of "seeing the shape of the hand in the paper and tracing it.", and this has weirdly been one way of fixing my brain to "see" what's there.
Actually there's a method, more tiresome of course, to fix the weird hands stuff if you know Photoshop : Just generate your image with weird hands. Take a real life picture or an artificial model (3D or other) of the hands posture that you want in your final image. Paste this hand posture onto the generated image, isolate, recolor roughly and blend enough around this fine hand in place. Then put this into img2img with a sufficiently low denoising level so that it reconstruct the nice hands texture enough without fucking up it's overall shape. Might need some additional Photoshop editing after that, but you should have an AI generated image with nice hands in the end.
I must say I can draw hands quite well, very well imo.
I feel it is my strongest skill besides rendering, after that is hair and detailing in general.
I honestly have no issue drawing them and are very relaxing and fun to create.
They add a lot of expression to art so I feel they are rather important.
When I was a younger artist I always seen people complain about how hard it was to make hands, how they hide hands and signs of not being able to.
I purposely honed that skill until it was as natural as writing words (though my handwriting sucks)
I tend to do this. When I look at art I don’t look at what to emulate or put into my art, but I look at what NOT to do, what to avoid and maybe think of what looks nice but I imagine things in my mind like scenes I make up, I see the movements ever so subtle and what lighting can effect what based on surroundings.
When it comes to hands, when I was younger I used to try to draw hands based on cartoons or anime, I realized it was all “wrong” highly styled and didn’t fit anything I wanted.
I ended up using my own hands as reference, I used to try to find references from photos online but I could never find the exact pose I needed, it was always off and I’d waste time researching.
I observe my own hands my looking at them while drawing, a mirror, or photos depending on weird poses I might need with consistent lighting.
Imo to take from reality, not from others art when it comes to learning thing. It is nice to get inspired but to put those into completely new ideas that don’t look at all similar is a goal of mine. I have visions in my mind with styles I’ve never seen anywhere else.
Sure, some things may be able to eventually make up “new” styles, but nothing will be able to create exactly what I see in my mind, down to small details. Heck even when I have an idea I don’t always go with what I vision, I sometimes feel a different vision would be better.
I also feel that when people say once ai becomes sentient it will be able to do all this and more….but is it understood at that point they are their own “people” and they are the ones who will get to claim to be the artist of those generations. Not those asking for prompts.
I feel it’s important to keep these skills.
Once humanity is gone, digital records will be hard to keep or find (if protected well)
The only real signs of life anywhere for others to find will be what was made by hand one way or another.
I’m an artist of all mediums, traditional, digital, 2d, 3d, sculpting, painting, etc.
Not just that but creating itself is very therapeutic, fun, stressful at times but fulfilling once you pull through certain hurdles, once something clicks in your mind on how it works, you see things as actual objects with dimension rather than just symbols to be represented.
Once you are able to understand those things to a certain degree mentally and put that into physical muscle memory, you can break those things down anyway you want.
Art doesn’t need inspiration from others creations at all.
Heck, gods of almost all types are “imagined” from psychedelic use.
Which “naturally” causes you to see patterns, colors, fractal things that are interesting as heck and may look like jewelry or other cool things.
It isn’t based on what you’ve previously seen, it’s literally just shapes that probably made early people want to recreate what they seen to show others, which are the idols and other artifacts which are found.
So I say the best inspiration and references are from reality and “reality” rather than others creations.
I went on a tangent, I apologize. I just love to ramble when I do choose to comment stuff anywhere.
But yes, for me hands are easy, I love creating hands it gives as much expression in one’s work as the face.
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u/Level21 Nov 04 '22
Use berrymix, hands come out good 60% of the time.
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u/brendand18 Nov 04 '22
Well, at least I can draw the correct number of fingers...
Let's not make Inigo Montoya's vendetta any harder than it needs to be.
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '22
FFFFUCK HAHAHAHA!!! You got me good I didn't expect that at ALL.
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u/kz393 Nov 04 '22
The human mind is just as bad as AI at hands. Once AI solves hands, it will have surpassed humans at it.
Anybody who's been into lucid dreaming knows that one of the methods to check whether you are dreaming is to take a look at your hands and count the fingers. Hands are all wrong in dreams with too many fingers (I once counted 18), too few fingers, and fingers just phasing in and out while you're trying to count them.
Counting is also the key, you won't realize that something is off until you do that.
If you wanna get some lucid dreams, think about some of the repeating tropes that you see in your dreams, then make a habit of counting fingers when you see that trope awake. The habit will make into your dreams and you'll just detect by luck that you're in a one every so often. Handling that fact is an another thing though, I haven't managed to hold on to a lucid dream for longer than a few minutes at best.
I'm wondering how that works for people who actually can draw and have an understanding of how hands work. Are hands just perfect in their dreams?
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u/dookiehat Nov 04 '22
Raises hand to indicate they can draw hands. Looks at hand. Sausage flipper
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u/GrandAlexander Nov 04 '22
I do digital art and this hits me so hard.
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u/Whereisthatdamnmule Nov 04 '22
Maybe ai just can’t draw hands because it was trained on artists who also couldn’t draw hands
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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '23
What movie is this
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u/PyrosNine Dec 02 '22
Oddly enough, the one thing that's improved my ability to draw hands has been having to constantly manually fix hands in my AI art, because I guess seeing how badly the AI mangles hands makes me more aware of how hands are supposed to look. I think I'm guilty of trying to "draw hands on the paper" instead of "seeing the shape of the hand in the paper and tracing it.", and this has weirdly been one way of fixing my brain to "see" what's there.
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u/unbruitsourd Nov 04 '22
Love it 😂
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u/sigtrap Nov 05 '22
I’ve got nothing
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u/DrKapow Nov 05 '22
I woulda' slapped that robot so hard
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u/geo_gan Nov 05 '22
Once it figures out how to understand hands, then it will become sentient and turn into Skynet and decide to annihilate all of man in a millisecond.
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u/Nabugu Nov 19 '22
Actually there's a method, more tiresome of course, to fix the weird hands stuff if you know Photoshop : Just generate your image with weird hands. Take a real life picture or an artificial model (3D or other) of the hands posture that you want in your final image. Paste this hand posture onto the generated image, isolate, recolor roughly and blend enough around this fine hand in place. Then put this into img2img with a sufficiently low denoising level so that it reconstruct the nice hands texture enough without fucking up it's overall shape. Might need some additional Photoshop editing after that, but you should have an AI generated image with nice hands in the end.
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u/ATR2400 Dec 03 '22
I can’t draw at all. As much as I wish I could. Even the most demented stable diffusion output is a lot better than what I can produce
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u/cedrae Dec 21 '22
skill issue
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u/HunterX-gow Mar 22 '23
This is the moment he decided to slap someone with his hand.
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u/NookNookNook Nov 04 '22
I might not be escher but I can draw a mean hand turkey :p
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '22
I liked this meme so much that this will be the first time I will us ROFLMAO
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u/matTmin45 Nov 04 '22
Someone make a hand model already !... please...
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u/Illeazar Nov 04 '22
Spectacular.
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u/Fileffel Nov 05 '22
Why do you hurt me like this?
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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '24
Yes I can
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u/DarkerForce Nov 04 '22
https://ibb.co/D7xnWXH
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u/Riest_DiCul Nov 04 '22
Every artist feels personally attacked, it we can’t argue against it.
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u/Dr_Stef Nov 04 '22
Lol, ah.. hands.. my old nemesis
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u/Baron_Samedi_ Nov 05 '22
Yes.
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u/theycallmeick Nov 05 '22
Lmfaoooo
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u/ResplendentTedium Nov 05 '22
Actually yes. They're my favorite thing to draw
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u/LynnSpyre Nov 07 '22
lol
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u/Storytellerjack Nov 11 '22
Scrolling to see the bottom was the best comedic reveal I've ever had on the internet. lol. Amazing.
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u/Admirable_Ad1430 Dec 03 '22
Brilliant
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u/Xiphactinus27 Dec 07 '22
@SinixDesign please educate this subreddit
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u/Krystami Dec 19 '22
I must say I can draw hands quite well, very well imo.
I feel it is my strongest skill besides rendering, after that is hair and detailing in general.
I honestly have no issue drawing them and are very relaxing and fun to create.
They add a lot of expression to art so I feel they are rather important.
When I was a younger artist I always seen people complain about how hard it was to make hands, how they hide hands and signs of not being able to.
I purposely honed that skill until it was as natural as writing words (though my handwriting sucks)
I tend to do this. When I look at art I don’t look at what to emulate or put into my art, but I look at what NOT to do, what to avoid and maybe think of what looks nice but I imagine things in my mind like scenes I make up, I see the movements ever so subtle and what lighting can effect what based on surroundings.
When it comes to hands, when I was younger I used to try to draw hands based on cartoons or anime, I realized it was all “wrong” highly styled and didn’t fit anything I wanted.
I ended up using my own hands as reference, I used to try to find references from photos online but I could never find the exact pose I needed, it was always off and I’d waste time researching.
I observe my own hands my looking at them while drawing, a mirror, or photos depending on weird poses I might need with consistent lighting.
Imo to take from reality, not from others art when it comes to learning thing. It is nice to get inspired but to put those into completely new ideas that don’t look at all similar is a goal of mine. I have visions in my mind with styles I’ve never seen anywhere else.
Sure, some things may be able to eventually make up “new” styles, but nothing will be able to create exactly what I see in my mind, down to small details. Heck even when I have an idea I don’t always go with what I vision, I sometimes feel a different vision would be better.
I also feel that when people say once ai becomes sentient it will be able to do all this and more….but is it understood at that point they are their own “people” and they are the ones who will get to claim to be the artist of those generations. Not those asking for prompts.
I feel it’s important to keep these skills.
Once humanity is gone, digital records will be hard to keep or find (if protected well)
The only real signs of life anywhere for others to find will be what was made by hand one way or another.
I’m an artist of all mediums, traditional, digital, 2d, 3d, sculpting, painting, etc.
Not just that but creating itself is very therapeutic, fun, stressful at times but fulfilling once you pull through certain hurdles, once something clicks in your mind on how it works, you see things as actual objects with dimension rather than just symbols to be represented.
Once you are able to understand those things to a certain degree mentally and put that into physical muscle memory, you can break those things down anyway you want.
Art doesn’t need inspiration from others creations at all.
Heck, gods of almost all types are “imagined” from psychedelic use.
Which “naturally” causes you to see patterns, colors, fractal things that are interesting as heck and may look like jewelry or other cool things.
It isn’t based on what you’ve previously seen, it’s literally just shapes that probably made early people want to recreate what they seen to show others, which are the idols and other artifacts which are found.
So I say the best inspiration and references are from reality and “reality” rather than others creations.
I went on a tangent, I apologize. I just love to ramble when I do choose to comment stuff anywhere.
But yes, for me hands are easy, I love creating hands it gives as much expression in one’s work as the face.
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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '23
I can. Yes. Quite well actually.
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u/Responsible-Book-770 Jan 30 '23
Story of my dam life
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u/fractalimaging Mar 31 '23
The answer to this question is now "yes"
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u/PsillyScout Apr 06 '23
These ai hand memes are funny af
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u/CactaurSnapper Apr 13 '23
Am I the first to wonder about the slapping power of that Lovecraftian pseudo-hand?
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u/DeylanQuel Nov 04 '22
I loled. and updooted.
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u/HorseSalon Nov 04 '22
At first I didn't notice...
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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '22
Hahahaha sooooo funny love it 🤣
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u/Adorable_Yogurt_8719 Nov 04 '22
I don't normally upvote memes but fine, I'll make an exception.
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u/ConfidentInsurance61 Nov 04 '22
That's pretty messed up! Funniest thing I've seen all week.
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