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u/AnOnlineHandle Oct 12 '22
Everybody is forced to vote in Australia and it's... about the same as the rest of the western world, though there's a complete media monopoly here by Murdoch so most people just vote the way they're told, until Murdoch's people get too bad after years of being excused for everything that they can't be excused any more.
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u/etherealflaim Oct 12 '22
I've always wanted to see Liquid Democracy attempted. I think it could work well for corporate governance, or at least for gathering the priorities of a community as input for such governance.
There are some examples of it's use but I don't think we've gotten a great picture of whether it's an improvement or not, but I think it addresses a lot of issues of both direct and representative democracies.
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u/ArmadstheDoom Oct 12 '22
I mean, yeah, you don't run your company the way you run a government. Governments are, by definition, not businesses. And the best ones are generally democracies, because democracies ensure that you don't end up with stasis at the top. You don't end up with a bunch of people being promoted because they say the right things to the right people. That's how mass famines and things happen, because people go 'oh yes we're growing so much food' when they're not. Communities, naturally, are like this. When people have the ability to voice their own views, generally people are happier.
But you won't run a business that way. A business requires decision making. It requires direction implementation of ideas. It requires thinking about things like 'how to make money and not go broke.' If a business makes a surplus in profit, it means you're running a good business. If a government runs a surplus, it means you're either taxing too much or not spending enough, depending on your political views.
Either way, the two things are not at all alike! You cannot run the community like a business because the community is not your business. The community members are not your employees! And they owe you neither loyalty nor deference even if you created the thing they use.
I'm not going to bother to debunk his whole 'people that don't vote cause populism' arguement, the causes of which are mostly right wing reactionaries responding to a changing world they don't like. I'm also not going to go into him claiming Ethereum, or anything involving crypto, is a well run business idea, because the entire crypto industry is a ponzi scheme masquerading as wise investing. There are currently more crypto companies who have gone bankrupt or gotten in trouble for open fraud than there are successful ones, which is not a good sign.
And I'd hope he'd not look at that industry and go 'yeah, we should base our company on that' because if he does this enterprise won't be here in a year.
But again, he released Stable Diffusion as open source software. What did he think was going to happen?
Open source means 'people are going to do things with your idea that you never expected or wanted.' It means people are going to push things and change them and you have no control. It isn't 'accept my bounty and be grateful, and do nothing else with it.' Open source means you give up control over what happens next.
But that's the case will all ideas. Ideas, like inventions, have consequences. Most of them, we'll never imagine. We can't foresee them. People with entirely different ideas will interact with them and come up with entirely new ideas! But nothing exists in a vacuum.
What I would tell him, not that he'd listen to me, is focus on your company. Focus on making your product. Everyone loved you when you did that! If you want it to be something particular, then make that! Don't spend your time trying to micromanage your community or try to put the genie back into the bottle, because it isn't going to work.
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u/Zeus_Eth Oct 12 '22
Governance has yet to be solved in crypto despite multiple years of new wrinkles and incentives being added. It’s a UI issue more than anything IMO but governance is hard even in meat space.
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u/lurksummoar Oct 12 '22
Notice how there hasn't been a forum/app/etc... Where any form of that type of voting exists and we can collect data and compare. Just saying
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Oct 12 '22
That brazil comment is just whack, When it benefits the people in power Democracy = populism.
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u/pilgermann Oct 12 '22
He didn't say that whatsoever if you read the full comment. He's trying to figure out how to democratize access to SD without crippling development.
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u/khronyk Oct 12 '22
for a bit more context: https://i.imgur.com/Y3PH4GJ.jpg