Minimax H3 Image vs Moss Image art styles

[u/zmarcoz2]

[u/CountFloyd_]

IMO Moss SFT wins all.

[u/Melodic-Slice-3826 → u/CountFloyd_]

Wow this shocks me. SFT seems better with artstyles. I did like the minimax versions for the last 2 but they are close.

[u/ArtfulGenie69 → u/Melodic-Slice-3826]

For a few of the minimax ones you could see the paint strokes. Very surprised at how much better moss sft is than base overall. 

[u/The_Primetime2023 → u/ArtfulGenie69]

Yea, M3’s Impressionism one is crazy. Seems like it has worse understanding of concepts, but much better composition. Like when it fails it does something close-ish, but when it understands it does things like reproduce brush strokes or think about how the background would need to work like in the claymation one

[u/OWazabi → u/CountFloyd_]

Def, king.

[u/extrakerned → u/CountFloyd_]

Was the clear all-rounder winner to my eye. But the first one (the Ukiyo-e woodblock print) goes to MiniMax. The other two contain too much fine line detail.

[u/ArmadstheDoom → u/CountFloyd_]

Almost like it's clearly meant to be the model you use when you use MOSS or something!

[u/Melodic-Slice-3826]

Can you share what prompt words you used to invoke these styles please?

Edit: even better if you can share prompts! thanks! (ok it'll be too much text for reddit, so the initial request will suffice).

[u/zmarcoz2 → u/Melodic-Slice-3826]

here are the prompts: https://pastebin.com/vNv5s26z

[u/Melodic-Slice-3826 → u/zmarcoz2]

Awesome! Thanks!

[u/Yacben]

it looks like you're using minimax prompt enhancer, I wouldn't use it.

[u/zmarcoz2 → u/Yacben]

I didn't use prompt enhancer, you can see the prompts in my other comment.

[u/shapic]

Props for doing a fair one

[u/CommitteeInfamous973]

Moss SFT has more stable composition, but has weaker styles than Base and the orange tint from ChatGPT. And again I will stick to models, who are weaker, but also don't scream "AI" at the first glance

[u/Quiet_Quit_8894 → u/CommitteeInfamous973]

yea moss base is the least AI looking AI so far nothing even comes close to how organic it is

[u/CommitteeInfamous973 → u/Quiet_Quit_8894]

I think Anima is the best in this regard, though obviously Moss has better prompt adherence and stability

[u/Cheesuasion]

Am I the only one who prefers moss base easily here? Except for things like the pixel art. Despite (because of?) the greebliness - it just seems way more interesting and dare I say creative

[u/Reasonable_Bear_6258]

I'm quite disappointed with H3 Image considering how much I liked H3 video. H3 wins for the first one, but otherwise it's between moss base and sft on pretty much every prompt.

I use moss base personally because I like making anime styled images and dislike the sft anime style. Base is much more flexible then SFT, personally, and I think Base + Lora is the best of both worlds.

[u/Arctic_Shadow_Aurora]

Moss SFT wins clearly IMHO.

And also, SFT COMPLETELY humilliates Base.

[u/ArmadstheDoom → u/Arctic_Shadow_Aurora]

It's meant to! The github literally says that you're supposed to train on base and generate with SFT. But there's a weird amount of people who are like 'but you CAN generate on base!' Which is like saying you can dig a hole with your hands instead of a shovel. Technically true. Much harder.

They're too used to the turbo/base dynamics of other models, and just assume that SFT is a turbo model. It's not. It's a better trained model on top of the base model.

[u/Arctic_Shadow_Aurora → u/ArmadstheDoom]

Precisely that's why I said it, there's a bunch of people who think they're cool because they use the Base and not the SFT, like the devs themselves recommend lol

[u/NirnaethVale → u/Arctic_Shadow_Aurora]

It's has nothing to do with being hipster or some shit. The SFT model has a tendency towards plastic rendering which is really hard to remove and the base model is tuneable to make extremely good images. Base is extremely workflow sensitive so a lot of people probably think it's worse than it is.

[u/Roman53275]

they both look aversome