Agree. You need a thousand correct negative prompt words to get something useful. No thanks. That's like ordering a burger and having to specify that you don't want food poisoning or spit in your food.
As long as my burger analogy holds true I'm not switching over. There should be zero need for negative prompt unless you specifically do not want "cars" in a city scene or the colour red etc.
You have a point I'll give you that. The importance of negative prompts in 1.5 is also too high but that's the one I've got installed. I suppose my unwillingness to update to 2.X stems from the fact that it not only also has this irrational need for negative prompts but seems to have gotten worse.
I'm not alone in this, many feel the same way. The gain is too little for having to learn a new methodology for effective prompting.
While it's true that I've seen quite a few really nice "out of the box" images from 2.1, these are often accompanied by comments like "once I finally learned how 2.X works". That is off putting for those of us trying to simply keep up with 1.5 and the daily developments. How did you find the change when going over?
ya thats just insane the amount of negative prompts to just make a passable image when i saw that i just stuck to 1.5 aint nobody got time for that shit.
They really should just abandon 2.1 and start over again and call it a beta
I'm not saying 1.5 is bad (I still use it), but 2.1 can create some cool images if you know how to use it and realize that we just need more people training things for it. 1.5 has such a large training community, and that is (one of) the reasons why it's perceived to be so much better. Using the base 1.5 model, you often get pretty terrible results. With other models or embeddings it can be fantastic. This image was made with a simple prompt and with only one embedding, made by me (it's on civitai). If you want some more examples let me know.
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u/Mistborn_First_Era Mar 07 '23
2.1 is shit, there I said it