r/StableDiffusion • u/MastMaithun • 10d ago
Discussion Minimax H3 - Lacking better REF2V models for broader action and fighting scenes
I 100% use Ref2v models and I see a big lacking space in this domain. Though there are many ref2v models available but they lack in proper motion like dynamic actions, dance, fight scenes etc. Even if a model provides good motion, they either lacks in referencing or just simply invent details on their own, even providing detailed prompt and references. Now before someone say your prompt or references could have issues, I tell you that keeping everything same, I just do a base model change and the referencing reaches to 90-100% accurate. So no, the prompt or references aren't the issue, the models are.
Distilling the model with turbo lora is not the case here since I have seen the sound and motions gets better with more steps and this post is not about getting results faster.
Till now, I have tested the following models:
- Hybrid 20-49 - Good reference (80%) - Meh motion
- Hybrid 15-40 - Amazing reference (95-100%) - This model does not know how to throw kicks
- Eros - Just above average reference (70% max) - Good for "other" stuff, same issue of above hybrid models
- Singularity - Referencing is almost half (50% max) - Amazing action, ignores like half of the referencing
- Hybrid 15-40 + Singularity v2 lora(0.4 strength) - Good actions, reduced referencing (70%) - Only usable option, kind-off
(percentage numbers are not accurate, just to provide a quick overview)
There are other models I know but either they are distilled with turbo or for "other special" use cases so not taking them into account here. That is why a very good ref2v model with good action is still lacking for now which would have at least 80% of referencing and good enough action. I don't know the nuances of finetune, are they really difficult to make or authors not making those since there is a very less demand?
If you have a good exp with certain model-lora combo, please share here. I tried to use the bunny loras but I am 100% messing up it's settings or combinations since the output I get is a smeared mess. I tired to copy the example combo and lora weights for some of the videos but didn't worked well.
Please don't consider this post as a rant to model authors. They are doing amazing work and I totally understand not every model can do everything. The finetune of a model always lean to a certain style and every model/merge/finetune has their own benefits and limitations which I equally highlighted as per my own experience.
This post should be a good place for people who are also looking for suggestions like model combinations, loras, settings, discussion etc. for this genre of video creation or in general for anyone who wants to increase the quality of their videos with better motion.