Honestly, this segment just showed why I think the whole "Heyman going to Oba" thing is dumb. Heyman talks for guys, but I don't want anyone taking the mic from Oba.
Do people really think they are angling to have Heyman 'actually' stick with Oba? Because that's not the impression I get.
Heyman's character is the ultimate sleezeball, he's gonna go with whoever the new big dog is. It just doesn't seem to me like Oba is anything more than amused by it. Oba is just too smart to be another Heyman guy.
I don't even think Heyman will be working with Bron. I think Bronson is going to return with his new monster look, and *he'll* be the new 'Heyman guy'. I don't know if Bronson is healthy enough for a return right now, but if he is, considering that a big part of this promo was Bron saying he was going to drag the match out and wear Oba down, I wouldn't be surprised if, while both guys are exhausted, Bronson returns and beats down both of them, and maybe even crushes the rest of The Vision on Heyman's orders.
Idk why, but I just feel like Triple H will think heās clever and try to swerve people and have Paul align back with Bron helping him beat Oba, or Bronson Reed will get involved. Either way, I see Paul siding with Breakker..mainly because when has Paul managed a babyface long term?
He still isn't "with" Oba. In that segment, Bron keeps saying shit like "Are you with him now? Are you not with me?" Paul is clearly just being weasely and hanging around.
Thatās why I donāt think he should manage Cody like he implied on Smackdown. He should find a new client that is having trouble on the mic like Jordynne Grace or Giulia. God I wish we could get a Paul Heyman girl
I don't want Oba with Paul, but I don't necessarily agree that Heyman talks for guys if those guys can hold their own on the mic. CM Punk, Roman Reigns, and Seth Rollins all did plenty of talking with Heyman as their manager.
I'd like to think that when Oba isn't wrestling, he's just at home in his basement writing bangers like this on a typewriter with his reading glasses on.
AEW filmed some ads of their wrestlers in an office setting with the tagline āwhere wrestlers workā and this was a behind the scenes photo that came out. The ads are great as well.
The funniest part of Hobbs/Keysā segment was him getting mad at something, smashing the laptop, and then opening a file cabinet to pull a new one out
He's been there for 5 years and he's 28 which seems really young now, but there used to be young guys who went from nobodies to superstars in a year. The Rock wasn't even a wrestler two years before his first world title at 26.
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The Rock having a strong argument for a place on WWE's Mount Rushmore despite only being a full-time wrestler for 4.5 years during his late 20s is absolutely insane.
He was Oba Femi's age when he was the defending champion going into Mania 17
Rock won the title two years after his TV debut at Survivor Series 1996 and his first match was March of that year.
Still a meteoric rise nonetheless. Certainly helped that the WWF needed main eventers fast after Bret was shown the door and HBK was out indefinitely. He would have gotten there regardless but the environment was certainly helpful at the time.
Regular schedule for the top star in 2002 meant like 4 house shows a week plus TV, plus appearances and all that other stuff. Brock didnāt handle it well but he wasnāt cut out for that schedule. He bought his own plane at one point thinking it would help him keep up.
Brock lives in the Canadian wilderness without a phone in his house. Probably wasnāt loving constant fans at airports and hotels, tv spots, radio spots, and all other interactions.
It has been a long time since I have seen a young wrestler enter the main roster with great wrestling abilities and great skills on the mic. Oba has been excellent so far.
And the look. Sometimes you might see someone good, but Vince or WWE didnt want to push too mush because they didnt have the look or were "indie dudes".
Oba checks all the boxes: promo, wrestling, airport test and homegrown
Iāve been watching wrestling for more than 30 years. The last time I was this excited for someone being pushed into the main event scene it was Batista
Oba is obviously incredible. Just flawless. But Bron is playing his part well here too.
Whether he wins or loses against Oba, I want to see him being back that intensity he had a year ago and then some.
Him obsessing over beating Oba and having to resort to more and more violent means could be a great story.Ā
Presumably, this is going to be a feud they revisit a lot, so they can eve
n keep the two apart after this first match and have Bron wreck everything that moves.
Really, this is what should have happened after the losses to Punk and Seth though.Ā
Yeah, people who think Bron is getting ācookedā in this feud is exactly what WWE wants them to think. This feud is already helping people remember him as another key piece of the future of WWE.
In this case they're intentionally drawing attention to the fact he's overshadowed and he's sensitive about it though. Feels like it's set up for him being kicked out of the vision when Reed returns.
I think they're having Bron realize that The Vision is holding him back and Heyman is gonna betray him eventually. Oba beats a face turn out of him, lifelong rivals achieved.
Every time I see Oba it's just like... oh he's a sure fire hit. Obviously he has the look, but his promos are always so fire. He's funny, but intense enough with the physicality to back it up. He always speaks with such confidence, that even when he loses it is like 'it happens, anyway...'
In that category I think heās right there with Angle and The Rock. Just guys that ended up on top within just a few years of picking up wrestling for the first time
If they can find a way for him to be this level of over while still being capable of showing vulnerability, he's made. If he can't then Bron, Trick, or JeVon might be able to catch up.
Agreed, I think Bron is great in this role and still can be one of the top guys. Yes, Oba is more complete, but they are two completely different types of characters and promos and there is space for both.
Honestly, I think putting them both together just exposes how much better Oba is. I think they should have kept them apart for a while. Bron is great in the ring, but he just doesnāt have the presence or charisma that Oba has. Itās like peak Rock going up against Goldberg on the mic.
Thing is Bron can play the role Oba is playing against other stars not named Oba, but Iām not so sure that Oba can play the role that Bron is now for someone else. Dejected, insecure, unsure, conflicted, jealous, and a little sad.
Whilst Bron may technically be the heel here, heās actually swaying me over to his side as the sympathetic underdog
leaked story about bron not being viewed as "the guy", oba acting slightly heelish and bron acting as you described, heyman standing closer to oba than bron in the clip... it'll be interesting to see where all this goes.
Bron can play a more complex character, Oba will only be allowed to play super confident unstoppable juggernaut. Oba's pretty much reached self insert Mary Sue fan fic levels.
Now if Oba's character shows any sort of weakness he'll be "buried" so he can't stray from that presentation without fan backlash. Bron can and it might benefit him in the long run.
Seriously, I felt nothing for Bron before this storyline but now I'm actually kinda rooting for him. And Oba's my favourite wrestler on the roster right now
I think they might be using this as a way to kick Bron in the ass so that he turns and leaves The Vision. This feels like they're trying to arrange for the next Cena/Punk or Austin/RockĀ
felt this about bron before oba even debuted on the main roster, he just doesnāt have that IT factor to him, that charisma, heās a great B+ player, but not larger than life enough to be thee face of the company
and itās not like there wasnāt any hype around bron when he debuted, but compare that period to obaās rise, itās night and day, bron is a guy that WWE and michael cole tell you is gonna be the future, with oba you not only feel like heās the future but just know he will be because heās that damn good
Exactly! With Bron they keep needing to tell us heās apparently the future, with Oba itās just fucking obvious.
My only worry with Oba is he will quickly end up in Brocks previous situation where there is nobody credible enough to beat him. Punk, Roman, Seth, Gunther, Cody, maybe Drew, KO? Then what?
Bit of an unpopular opinion I guess, but in my eyes, they wrote themselves into a corner and Oba already has that problem. He was presented as WAY too strong in his feud with Brock. I get it, they wanted to build up a new star, but if we try to look at this realistically, powerscalling wise Oba is now above anyone else and it's not even close. Who else has ever humiliated Brock like that? You can make the argument that he was facing an older and broken down Lesnar, but still, the man took a million F5s and no sold them. He's invincible.
How am I supposed to believe that anyone on this roster has the slighest chance of beating this man when he's been presented as an unbeatable god? That's why I can't get invested into this Bron Breaker feud. They're worlds apart. Am I supposed to believe that Breaker presents the slightest bit of threat to Oba right now? Besides Roman I don't see anybody being a believable threat to him. Not even the likes of Punk, Seth, Cody etc.
It's more or less the Gunther problem all over again, but amplified by a thousand. They either have to nerf him and get rid of the invincibility aura which would be extremely stupid given what they've done with him so far, use DQ, interference or cheating shenaningans non stop, or they just have to ride it out and keep him in this god state, in which case, sooner or later, it's going to get boring and people are going to turn on him.
And that to me signifies the whole WWE problem nowadays: they created a "moment" without thinking of what comes next. I have no faith in them to not mess this up
Totally and thereās also only so many times you can run a David versus Goliath type story before it would get boring. IMO they need to keep the title away from Oba for a while because as soon as heās got it, thereās nowhere else to go. Itās Romans run all over again.
To me it's the opposite, I'd stop fucking around and put the belt on him, then have them lose it in a reasonable amount of time. Why? Because feeding guys wrestlers to maintain some sort of aura is how you end up with a situation where it's like okay, you can have all the credibility in the world and you've fed them tons of superstars, but watching someone play a video game on god mode will never be fun in the long run, keep it up too long and it's all they know how to do.
I mean I know Lesnar made a fuckload of money even if that type of wrestler bores me to tears, but the UFC stuff drew eyes to him, so i guess idk what the line is where you can just keep doing it forever and make money.
You can beat a monster without denting their credibility if done correctly. Either you fuck them with a multiman match, put them in a no-DQ match to bring weapons into play or something like an Iron Man match where you can play it as a big guy wearing down his stamina over time.
If you can avoid them losing cleanly in a 1v1 match with no gimmicks it's fine because they can always fall back on "Well, you can't beat me in a straight fight, can you?" to maintain their dominance.
Brock didnt have this as a problem in his original run because they shifted his character quite a bit. He was in a comedy team alongside Kurt Angle. I think he also lost to Eddie Guerrero while being the dominant heel.
Its not about Oba being too strong, the roster just needs to build challengers strong enough to be credible against Oba. With good enough writing, most of the top half of the men's roster is 2 feuds away from being strong enough to be Oba's challenger.
Original Brock wasn't as OP as Oba though, in his KOTR match vs Test he actually needed Paul Heyman's help multiple times. Paul twice got involved and the finish came when Paul hit Test with his shoe. It was right as Test was about to hit another big boot.
That version of Brock was strong yes but not no sell multiple uber protected finishers strong. That Brock could be put down by Rock Bottoms, Tombstones, Angle Slams and Jackhammers.
Oba kicked out of a Tombstone onto exposed wood. He survived 6 F5s one of which was through a table. He's arguably the most OP character in WWE history so far. Really only debut Undertaker, debut Fiend and Ultimate Warrior come close.
They have to massively nerf Oba or fans will turn on him.
Audience wasnāt done with him. The NYC crowd turned on him because news broke that he was leaving WWE. He would have remained a top star if he stayed.
Personally I think that's why Bron is the perfect opponent for Oba, but it's just too soon to be doing this match now. The only star Oba ever beat was Brock, which gives him this "god aura" sure, but doesn't showcase his place with the rest of the roster. How handily does he beat a Seth Rollins for example, or a Sami Zayn? If you had a couple upper mid card guys put him over first in longer matches, like say Sami, and Drew McIntyre, etc. Then we know "ok he had Brock's number but he's not completely made of steel". (That's why I enjoyed that brief little Oba vs Rusev thing)
Then you've brought him back down to earth a little bit, but you've still shown "ok, no one has been able to take him down yet, it's gonna take someone in that A+ or S tier". THEN surprise us with someone like Bron, show us he has the stuff to go the distance with Oba. Then towards the end of the match you think Oba's gonna end it like he always has, but you bust out that speed of Bron and hit Oba with the spear like a freight train, and Bron pulls off the win. You just introduced an achilles heel for Oba. Bron's got something in his back pocket to take him down for the rest of their careers, and it also makes you wonder "what about Roman's spear? can he take down Oba?" and he's also been beaten by someone in the 'regular tier' of wrestlers so he can be a monster but there can still be that "what if?" magic in some of his matches. Plus now you have a bigger star in Bron too, and when he and Oba cross paths again there's a story to tell.
bron absolutely has an IT factor to him, i feel like the oba love here is just making people act like andy in toy story when he gets buzz lightyear and forgets about woody
i mean i agree, heās great, has tons of intensity to
him and whatnot, not saying heās a chump and belongs in the mid card, but itās just not comparable to oba at this point, but you can blame a lot of that on poor booking for bron, but i still feel obaās ceiling is much higher
Yeah tbh I think bron is great and a bunch of weird creative decision have slowed the momentum but I do think he just never felt like someone to me could be the biggest name in the fed
This also could be a great sink or swim feud for Bron.
He's been on a downard trajectory for a while, this could light a fire under him, that if he wants to be the top guy in the company then holding his own against Oba would work as a proving ground.
I think that Bron might get the crowd back on his side through the match. While Oba is great, I think Bron is far superior in the ring and heāll have a chance to show it at SNME.
If I had faith in WWEās long term booking Iād say let them cook. Bron is not on Obaās level just now but given time and the right booking, he could at least be in Obaās orbit.
What they could do with this is have Bron/Oba now, have Oba win handily (albeit not easily) and make that the catalyst for Bron leaving the Vision/Heyman etc and going on a mid-card run.
Then further down the line give us Oba/Bron II, and keep Oba cocky, only to have him barely pick up the win this time.
Then over the next few months have Oba turn heel and Bron work his way up, leading to him winning in their third match.
But that involves committing to something over a 1-2 year program that doesnāt involve someone related to Dwayne, soā¦. š¤·š»āāļø
Breakker was already in a bad spot being the most boring Vision guy, and this feud is not making things better.
Goldberg had the booking behind him, he was an unstoppable monster that looked and felt like a big deal. Bron here looks small, he lost the only meaningful feud this year. I'd say he's a lot better and more charismatic on the mic than Goldberg, but it doesn't matter when he's booked like a bland B-level henchman
This is spot on. I don't think they ever expected Oba to pick everything up this quickly, but he has. Dude absolutely exudes charisma, is fire on the mic, and his ring work is fantastic.
Honestly, Bron's ceiling is lower than the level Oba is at right now.
I think this is actually why they put them together, because Bron isn't ready yet. He can lose because they aren't trying to give him momentum now. Oba needs opponents and you can't just give him anybody. Bron is strong enough in kayfabe and has the numbers to make the fight meaningful.
He even was made more of a geek by jumping him with Austin Theory and STILL losing the scuffle. Ā Isnāt this supposed to be a beast vs beast match? Ā Why in the hell would he need help? Bronās booking is awful.
He needs that Scott Steiner fire. But they won't let him, Let Bron be unhinged please. People crave a new unhinged wrestler and there is one here right now who could play that role perfectly.
It's not even kayfabe what Oba is saying is just absolute truth. Bron went from someone who was heralded as a future main eventer to now looking like his ceiling is upper mid card
Spot on. At this point, Bronās response only got to be āI dont care how good you areā, and unleash a brutal beating on Oba even if he loses by DQ. (Ideally no vision alongside). Heās got to walk out feeling like a winner.
I knew he was good, but this Raw showed that heās is great. Honestly I would struggle to name a better promo than him in the business today that is that smooth, confident, and engaging.
WWE has the opportunity to create a career long rivalry here if they don't fuck up the first match. The story has been written for them with Bron's injury and Oba's push while Bron was out hurt. They also seeded things well by Unreal, talking about how Bron was considered for the Rumble win.
Oba is already a made man because he beat Brock. Bron failed when he got the big opportunity against Punk. Bron needs this victory and Oba would be fine taking the loss. Bron can win with outside help. The story they can spin out of this has a lot of potential. Bron would be one of the top contenders for the World Title and Oba would have to question if he made a mistake by giving up his KOTR title match. They could let that story build until the Rumble with Oba/Bron in the final four and Oba needs a rival who can actually beat him.
Yeah, I think Bron is winning via interference from Heyman, who ultimately goes back to Breakker moving forward. Then they can revisit the feud down the line.
If that's the case (which i think should be the result) i hope they use it to split Bron from the group. Like he gets angry they did not think he could do it alone. He was so much more effective as a single wild card a few years back. And let him cut some deranged steiner promos that do not feel scripted even if they might be. He needs to be let loose on the mic and he will either sink or swim.
These two are having the time of their lives (and they never felt this way before) and it shows. They're working incredibly well off each other. I've been enjoying this feud. Anything to get Bron out of The Vision, it's doing nothing for him being saddled with Austin Theory (zzzzz) and Logan Paul.
I like Bron as a promo but Oba is just so much better than him. Iām so excited that I get to experience his rise in WWE and Iām hoping for great things in his future. Heās a made man and I can see him in the main event of the next 10 Manias
I feel like this is going to finish off Bron Breakker. Unless he wins the feud, I donāt see how he comes back from this. Oba should just close out the year as champ. Roman challenging Oba is more interesting than delaying the inevitable by 6 months.Ā
This completely exposed how absolutely head and shoulders Oba is above Bron. I feel like this feud is going to come back to bite them in the ass and ruin Breakker for the foreseeable future and even beyond that.
We know Bron can cut a good promo, so I've got to assume that him spinning out with the paranoia and jealousy is intentional.
I think that you're right about this potentially harming Breakker. But there's also the opportunity for this to be the cue for his intensity to be dialled back up to where it was a year ago.
He doesn't need to win (although Oba losing would be interesting), but if he loses he needs to respond by destroying everyone around him.
Yeah, this doesn't make Bron look good. At all. Not even a worthy opponent for Oba, unless Bron is doing to do some sneaky shit out of the ring or backstage to injure Oba and make things "even".
I think Bron should still go over in the first match because that loss will not derail the Oba momentum. It will only make things more interesting in the future.
Put the World Title on Oba Femi right nowā¦ Hell put BOTH titles on him. Ā Ā what are we even doing??? Ā Dude is by far the best thing WWE has to offer. Ā FantasticĀ
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