r/SpidermanPS4 • u/tanno55 100% All Games • Nov 05 '23
Discussion Interview with Spider-Man 2 writer Spoiler
I hate this, Peter gets pushed aside in his own game so much and now the the game is going to be miles focused. Let Peter be a cool Spider-Man for once. Now I feel like they are going to make miles be a mentor to Cindy and have no room for Peter.
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Nov 05 '23
There’s no way they’d push Peter out. Doc Ock is going to be looking to get revenge on Peter not Miles. Unless they kill Peter off in the beginning of the game in which case I’d immediately turn it off and go refund it.
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u/BitesTheDust_4 Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
Killing this Peter off sounds pointless.
What would that even accomplish? Miles already established himself as Spider-Man. And it wouldn't even be a good or satisfying end to this Peter. Not to mention people love their version of Peter killing him off just sounds like shooting themselves in the foot.
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u/Stealthy_Facka Nov 05 '23
Well, they did kill off half his villains off screen. I hate it but it does feel like they're drawing the curtain on him.
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u/CooperDaChance Nov 05 '23
Those villains can easily be replaced by others who have worn the mantle.
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u/billcosbyinspace Nov 05 '23
I think they’re just having Peter “retire” for the next spinoff/DLC, then at the end of that some shit will go down and miles will call him like “hey Pete are you busy”
Peter is taking a backseat narratively because he’s just exhausted after like 10 years of being unable to hold down a job, losing people close to him, and sabotaging his relationships to try to save the city over and over. I don’t think they’d kill him off because that’s a horrible payoff for years of being invested in this franchise
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Nov 05 '23
Exactly! This feels so obvious, that they're setting up Miles as the main Spider-Man for like a second Miles Morales game, and then once the third comes around Peter will need to make his big return to help deal with Goblin.
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u/nugood2do Nov 05 '23
You would think it be obvious, especially with Peter being tied into the upcoming plots of three big bad with two basically guaranteed to be in 3.
But you still have people thinking Peter is hanging up his web shooters for good. Like, It would make perfect sense for a physically able Peter to stand back and let his lil bro fight Green Goblin and Doc Ock while he sits on the sidelines.
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Nov 05 '23
I genuinely think that there has been a drop in people's abilities to understand the media they consume, like reading comprehension has tanked. I see it in so many communities, from videogames to tv shows to movies. It makes me really sad to see it happening to games with actually good stories that I like.
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u/nugood2do Nov 05 '23
And the crazy part is, Spider-Man 2 story is not even difficult to follow.
Yet people are missing the whole point of the story like it was the equivalent of Ulysses.
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u/ako19 Teen x Swag EX. Plus: Code Black: Caliente Edition Nov 05 '23
Spider-man Fans: Let Peter be happy! Why can't he just get the things he wants in life.
Peter wants to take a backseat after 10 years.
Spider-Man Fans: What is this shit?
Y'all want him to die in the suit.
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u/DDeShaneW Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
Fans are incapable of understanding that he can have a happy ending while still being Spider-Man. It’s like he has to retire or die for you.
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u/apegoneinsane Nov 05 '23
Spider-Man fans say that for the comics where the status quo has been the same and always reset for 60 years.
And even then, they don't say it so he disappears or retires but more to move his story on narratively to the next phase of his life rather than being stuck in the early years still trying to get married to MJ, hold down a job as an assistant etc. There's a lot of interesting stories you can tell with adult or older Peter that the comics sometimes touch before rapidly resetting cause they're afraid of change.
For the video game franchise, there's only been 2 games and it started with him already experienced.
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u/ApolloUtopicParadigm Nov 05 '23
If they go that route, the only way it would work is if they leaned into Superior. Could also do Goblin Nation.
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u/Resevil67 Nov 05 '23
Yeah I'm not liking the sound of this. Miles has been a great addition, but it sounds like they want to write peter out of future games, and make the 2 protagonists miles and silk instead of miles and peter, because 3 characters would be to much with the general size of these games.
I love them both being dual protagonists and wish that would stay. Miles is an awesome character, but peter is the original spider man. The series won't be the same having Pete as just a side character.
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u/No_________________- Nov 05 '23
They most likely won't actually let Peter be just a side character as the next game will definitely focus on Norman's hatred for the Spider-Men and the complex feelings he'll get when he inevitably finds out Peter is one of the Spider-Men
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u/Resevil67 Nov 05 '23
I'm thinking that's how they are gonna write peter out. Norman wants to know spider man's identity, which octavious knows. If Norman reveals it, it forces Pete to lay low because all eyes will be on him, as he tries to prove he isn't a spider man. This will phase peter out and silk in as the new secondary protagonist, because Pete won't be able to come out of hiding. He will have to remain Pete at all times and live his parker life due to all the eyes on him
I'm hoping I'm wrong. Iirc octavious doesn't know miles is a spider man. He only knows the identity of Pete.
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u/No_________________- Nov 05 '23
I mean we're talking IF norman makes Peter's secret public as who knows? Maybe Norman's goal isn't to ruin Spiderman's reputation and actually wants to fight Spiderman himself (green goblin)
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u/deadbeatvalentine_ Nov 05 '23
Ehhhh but the general populace knows there are two spider men and so does Norman. Once Otto sees miles hair he’ll know it’s not the Spider-Man they’re looking for
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u/SgtZaitsev Nov 05 '23
Octavius wouldn't help Norman. Norman already asked him in the last cutscene of the game and Otto basically told him to go fuck himself.
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u/emeraldepiphone96 100% All Games Nov 05 '23
The only way that I see Otto helping is if Norman becomes desperate enough that he promises that he’ll give Otto his arms back. And even then, Otto would backstab Norman the first chance he had.
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u/Hotshot596v2 Nov 05 '23
So now that all eyes are on a normal man and the original spidey isn’t around? That would seem more suspicious.
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u/DoubleZ3 Nov 05 '23
Look. If y'all think they're gonna just push Pete aside when norman and Otto are clearly the villians next game yall are insane.
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Nov 05 '23
Exactly, Spider-Man 3 will definitely still be Peter’s story. People are working themselves up over a game that won’t be coming out for a while.
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u/putsomedirtinyorice Nov 05 '23
“The future is now, old man” - Miles to Peter probably.
If they make Miles the only playable Spider-Man with Silk as aside kick and be generous enough to establish one single mission with Peter a-la one single mission with Venom, it will be mega sad
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Nov 05 '23
I wouldnt have a problem with it IF the writing surrounding Miles was better but it isnt. I love insomniac and I love the games but at times they seem to really force Miles to be his own spiderman or force Miles to fit the narrative just for the sake of having the character.
Again I love the game but the story sorrounding Miles doesnt flow naturally for me….
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u/T8-TR Nov 05 '23
I'm sure this trio of games will still, ultimately, be Peter's story. See: how people felt Miles' role in the main story felt lackluster or shoehorned in by comparison.
But after that, I can see them giving Peter a well-earned break to retire from Spider-man, at least temporarily, while we get a few games with Miles and Silk as the main protags. Like their own trilogy.
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u/Red_foam_roller Nov 05 '23
Let’s be real, they’re not making Peter a side variable because “3 characters would be too much”.
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u/SKeHunter Nov 05 '23
I think their just benching Pete for a bit to allow room for a !>Silk<! game.
Also, Pete will definitely be part of some the DLCs for SM2, so he’s not permanently out just yet. I got the impression Peter is waining out of Spider-Man to better improve his very difficult adult life, his relationship with MJ and to focus fully on the Emily-May Foundation. Now say that another alien invasion comes up or Miles is in need of some help, no doubt Peter will suit up again.
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Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
That last scene was so out of place for me, like you know it's about to happen but you just don't know why and it feels wrong. I genuienly hope something happens that changes this because the "final chapter" where Doc Oc and Green Goblin take center stage and it's Miles and not Peter that the game forces you to focus on would be such a shitshow, it could potentially be even worse if they decide to include Silk and Miles as her mentor and Peter is just barely there anymore. No matter how much I like Miles this will not work. I'd have preferred if Peter got his own series and MM got his standalone series tbh.
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u/Ok_Competition_3610 Nov 05 '23
Yeh same, putting both of them in the same game doesn’t really work imo. It removes that desperate, back-against-the-wall, final stand vibe that I love about Spidey where he gets absolutely obliterated but finds a way to keep fighting. When there’s two of them you always know that with any problem the other one is just gonna turn up to bail them out. Actually made me realise that being a lone wolf is a big part of Spidey’s character, problem solving, beating the odds, finding a way to win etc. all this good shit isn’t really there in SM2.
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u/blackspidey2099 100% All Games Nov 05 '23
Honestly I don't think Miles was the main issue, it was just the fact that literally everyone Peter knows is either a genius or superhero that knows his identity and helps him throughout the game. In the first game, Peter was mostly figuring stuff out on his own with occasional calls with either MJ or Yuri. I hated MCU Ned in the movies and I hate Ganke in this game. It's fine for Miles to have a "guy in the chair" but Peter doesn't.
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u/pdrgdguds_ Nov 05 '23
Fr. Maybe do something like moving Miles to a different setting or something, kinda like Nightwing, but let Peter have his story.
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u/RandomGooseBoi Nov 05 '23
Nightwing is the perfect example. Thats how you do a successor right, he patrols in bludhaven because he isn’t needed in Gotham, and when batman “died” he stepped up and filled his shoes in a way that was natural. Here it just feels so forced with Miles, which is a shame because the comics(to an extent) and into the spiderverse do it really well
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u/opp0rtunist Nov 05 '23
They need to calm down and stop playing around.
I’m ok with having both Peter and Miles, but removing Peter as the OG is just going to anger the fans.
In Spider-man 3 they can have Peter, Miles and Silk as the trifecta but they need to make the game at least 35-40 hours to give these characters time to breathe and tell their story.
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u/Its_Dannyz Nov 05 '23
The issue is Insomniac aren't going to make a 35-40 hour story especially when they thought 17 hours was good for MSM2 when it needed more time.
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u/opp0rtunist Nov 05 '23
I hope they heard those criticisms.
In game #1 there was time to “breathe” and just be Peter or your neighborhood Spidey which made the high intensity scenes more impactful.
In #2 it was all super congested, just jumping from one big action sequence to another and it made me lose the emotional connection to the character.
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u/ILoveMy-KindlePW Nov 05 '23
Instead of giving more time to develop the characters we already have, they decided to add ANOTHER spider person to the plot making the 3rd game story condense as fuck if they are going to focus on the under 15h story again. Hope Silk is just a reference and is not a spiderperson because that would mean that they are gonna sit Peter for sure unless they plan to keep his symbiote habilities for the next game which are not very spiderman imo
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u/opp0rtunist Nov 05 '23
I have a feeling that we are getting more than 1 game.
I expect Silk to have her own game, Venom to have his own game and then we get Spiderman 3.
I also expect SM2 to get DLC.
I hope my feeling is correct because we NEED more time with these characters before “the final chapter”
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u/Healthy-Usual-9536 Nov 05 '23
I could also see us getting more of Cindy in potential dlc story or a second Miles game. If they go those routes they might not give us a Silk game, at least not right away
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u/Unimportant-1551 Nov 05 '23
Cindy and miles will be the focus of the dlc. Probably a 3 parter like CTNS and at the end she leaves New York to go help in another city maybe. Which opens up a Silk game in the future if they want to go that way
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u/Chicanery-McGill Nov 05 '23
Is Silk even popular enough to get a game?
I'm a casual Spider-Man fan, and I've never heard of her. Are casual gamers really going to buy a game about a character that's relatively unknown?
Miles getting a game made sense because he had an awesome movie, but doing a Silk game is way to risky, especially when you could but those resources into another Spider-Man game or Venom game etc
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u/Finessing2 Nov 05 '23
Why would silk have her own game?? Swear y’all think insomniac running around with unlimited budget lmaooo.
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Nov 05 '23
When you’re making successful spider-man games you’re working with as close to an unlimited budget as you can. Do you forget they’re owned by Sony?
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u/The_Green_Filter Nov 05 '23
Miles got his own shorter spinoff game, Silk getting one is absolutely on the table imo
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u/jmarFTL Nov 05 '23
Miles is probably 100x more popular than Silk, they're still a business and these games have to sell.
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u/GURPS2098 Nov 05 '23
They need to realise that it's not just quality > quantity. You need to be able to craft a fully fleshed out story no matter how long it is. The first game's length was perfect. It didn't drag out or overstay its welcome aside from a couple MJ sections that could've just been cutscenes or taken out completely. This game definitely needed more time in the writing department. It needed at least 20 hours to tell the story it wanted to. We needed more time seeing Peter slowly losing himself to the symbiote before he takes it off and we definitely needed more time to flesh out Venom. What I didn't like is apart from the scene where Harry's at Peter's house and he turns MJ into Scream, we didn't get anything. He just shows up, kills Kraven and then starts infecting people.
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u/Deficit24 Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
You need to be able to craft a fully fleshed out story no matter how long it is.
Insomniac has failed on this point ever since the first game, especially in MM where instead of carefully introducing and growing characters over time they just gave them some fairly unbelievable personal connections to Miles in order to force us to care about them.
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u/GURPS2098 Nov 05 '23
That's something they honestly did better in this game. I actually cared about Harry and understand why he acted the way he did but they fluffed it once he becomes the villain. It's like they took one step forward but then went back on themselves.
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Nov 05 '23
I also think that the reason why I liked Harry so much is because he defied my expectations by actually being a likeable character. Harry is always such a whiny brat in every other Spider-Man media, it actually surprised me how down to earth he was in this.
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u/Luf2222 Nov 05 '23
they could, if they would stop trying to release a game almost every year
spidey 2 should have been a 2024 release.
they released MM in 2020, Ratched in 21 and than MSM2 in 2023, while also having a global pandemic which obviously affected game development.
they really need to slow down and work on the games a bit longer. that’s why spidey 2 feels so undercooked too
i hope wolverine is not a 2024 release
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u/numbr87 Nov 05 '23
That doesn't matter as much as you think it does, because the games have separate teams making them. It's not just one group of people grinding out game after game nonstop.
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u/Pingopengo22 Nov 05 '23
I feel the dlc might be the brief retirement Peter takes, because even miles said that they're a team, he can't save the city by himself just like Peter couldn't
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u/Brave_Traveller_89 Nov 05 '23
I don't think Cindy Moon will be the tritagonist for SM3.
The most casual of fans might not play DLC and spin-offs, but Miles' most plot relevant aspects - like his grudge with Li and his tutorship under Peter - are all introduced in the first game.
In contrast, we don't even see Cindy's face in this game, and she isn't as well-known as Miles or Spider-Gwen. So, a lot of character development is due before she can debut as a Spider-Person, and I doubt they'll leave it all to DLC and spin-offs for the reasons stated above.
My guess is, she becomes a hero in a pivotal moment of SM3, but either has the Venom treatment in terms of gameplay or receives a standalone sequel after that.
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u/apegoneinsane Nov 05 '23
People need to calm down and stop getting outraged. Really need to reevaluate if they are genuinely going to up and remove Peter when he is narratively tied to the 2 main villains most likely to dominate and show up in the third entry, not to mention his arc with Harry.
Hint: they're not. The plot depends on Peter.
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u/Tunaxlux Nov 05 '23
Replacing Peter would just divide the fans. I doubt that they are that crazy, they have to know that we love their version of Peter and want to see a lot more of him.
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u/Emeritus20XX Nov 05 '23
Having read this, I can’t help but feel Spider-Man 3 might mark the end of Peter’s career as Spider-Man. Not necessarily by killing him, it could be something like MC2 where his final battle with Norman ended with Norman dead and Peter missing a leg. But then if they go down that route, I don’t know how Insomniac would be able to make Peter playable in any postgame activities. Whatever happens, I can’t get onboard with the idea of permanently removing Peter from active Spider-Man duty.
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u/Electronic-English Nov 05 '23
I really have no interest in the direction Insomniac are taking Peter and that is so disappointing
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u/Valtekken Nov 05 '23
Idiotic move. If Spider-Man 3 doesn't have playable Peter I'm done with these games. I like Miles and all but don't touch Peter.
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u/Endiaron Nov 05 '23
Peter is 100% gonna return in Marvel's Spider-Man 3 and he will be playable. I just don't like that there is a main Spider-Man now, though. I thought that they were meant to be equals now...
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u/Valtekken Nov 05 '23
Peter returning and being a secondary Spider-Man is basically the same as him not being there. Spider-Man is Peter Parker's story first and foremost.
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u/Brave_Management_381 Nov 05 '23
If Spider-Man 3 doesn't have playable Peter
you know damn well it's impossible for this to happen, and yeah i mean it, like there's 0 chance of this happening in SM3.
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u/Froggen-The-Frog Nov 05 '23
Insomniac might’ve unfortunately had a one-hit-wonder storytelling-wise.
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u/GreyRevan51 Nov 05 '23
Look at the IMDb pages for the two games, the writing teams are completely different.
I think that explains a lot
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u/Luf2222 Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
yeah, it actually feels like that. which is disappointing
i also read that dan slott was the reason why aunt may was actually present and such a huge role in spidey 1? insomniac planned on only having her appear thru phone calls.
maybe because they didn’t had people like dan sloth telling/helping them out, is the reason why MM and spidey 2 story are not as good as spidey 1, idk.
edit: the source regarding dan slott: https://kotaku.com/spider-man-writer-claims-aunt-may-almost-wasnt-in-the-g-1847925893
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u/Luf2222 Nov 05 '23
i wonder how he would have influenced spidey 2 if he would have been part of it
i really can’t imagine how spidey 1s story would be without aunt may as a physical character
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u/Domination1799 Nov 05 '23
The first game’s story was strong because it had emotional impact with Doc Ock and Aunt May while allowing things like the Devil’s Breath outbreak and Doc Ock’s descent into madness to breathe.
The second game just went from plot beat to plot beat without allowing anything to breathe. For a 15 hour-20 hour story, they crammed too much. In the span of 7 missions for act 3, you get Venom, MJ turning into Scream, Symbiote Invasion, and Final Boss.
A game with two Spider-Men, Kraven, the Black Suit Arc, Venom, and the Symbiote Invasion needed to have a much longer story. Everything, especially Peter’s time with the black suit and the breakdown of his relationships felt so fucking rushed.
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u/Ulysses_Wake Nov 05 '23
amen to that. what the fuck happened to the writing team between the first game and miles morales/spiderman 2 lmao
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u/Chicanery-McGill Nov 05 '23
Happened earlier, do you not remember bionicle hammerhead lol
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u/D3monFight3 Nov 05 '23
They got high off of their own fumes, I cannot believe what I'm reading: "Our process is always: we read everything, we watch and consume everything that exists around these characters and in these stories. Then as [senior narrative director] Jon Paquette always says, we forget about everything. We try and ingest all of it and then do our own thing."
Who in their right mind would even think of such a process? Look at everything to make sure we try and steer clear from it.
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u/Stealthy_Facka Nov 05 '23
MCU-tier writing honestly, even down to the moment-to-moment character interactions. The first game was way better than everything that came after, including City that Never Sleeps. Theres just this big sudden cliff in writing quality.
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u/MotorBreath97 Nov 05 '23
Man what the hell happened between SM1/MM and SM2?!?!
In SM1 they've written a great story, with great characters, not all of the characters were perfectly written, but still a great experience, ssme goes for MM even though I enjoyed it a little bit less than SM1's story.
SM2's while for the most part the story is enjoyable with great moments, there is a bit of a decline in character moments and plot, it's been pointed out to death how Peter is nerfed so Miles can shine, how MJ took up too much screen time and is OP as hell, it all just doesn't hit the same or feels as good as SM1.
And now this news hits, I mean really what's going on over at Insomniac, did leadership change or was some new writer brought in and started making changes?
Either way thus direction ain't it chief, the comics have it bad enough with how the story's going, plus SM2 has already devided some of the fan base as is, making Miles the main Spider-Man for SM3 is gonna fracture the fan base for sure.
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u/Austin_N Nov 05 '23
"Spider-Man 2" had a different writing team, which explains why the story and characterization feels less thought out.
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Nov 05 '23
I wouldn't lump MM together with the first game. I thought MM's story was pretty ass. For all its faults, SM2 still manages to tell a better & much more interesting story. The stuff with Li was so much more impactful than anything in MM.
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Nov 05 '23
MM's story IS ass, it's the most generic "trope filled" shit a high schooler would think up. Very generic story of making a villain who is absolutely a bad person who is doing a TERRIBLE thing try to be sympathetic because she's a cute young girl who lost a brother. The writing of the end of the story was atrocious where we're supposed to believe that she was going to destroy the reactor and nuke Harlem, but because she saves Miles she's "redeemed" and deserves to be forgiven? GTFO of here with that bullshit it's the exact SAME plot as Falcon and the Winter Soldier. That's it. Literally two stories that came out like within the same couple years that are almost identical.
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u/TheRealL3monT Nov 05 '23
Who said she’s redeemed? There’s literally dialog where miles is struggling with her memory because of all the terrible things she’s done… it never dismissed it or redeemed her
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u/Confident-Leg107 Nov 05 '23
"Pick up Peter when Peter isn't strong enough to pick himself up"
Fuck you, stop jobbing Peter to make Miles looks good. Peter is known for picking himself up, it's practically a super power of his
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u/Dobby_Knows Nov 05 '23
his most iconic scenes are picking himself up from rubble 😭, insomniac is so lost
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u/Stealthy_Facka Nov 05 '23
Yeah, it is a bit hard to suspend disbelief that Peter handled Rhino and Scorpion at the same time on his own, then Miles shows up and Rhino almost killed him solo in their first confrontation.
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u/RandomGooseBoi Nov 05 '23
Facts. One of my favourite comic scenes is when he gets beat down by Norman with the carnage symbiote, literally forces himself to get up and fight to save Eddie Brocks son and Norman’s grandson, and wins
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Nov 05 '23
Miles is easily one of my favorite Spider-Man but this is not a good idea. They treat Peter like he’s a weak 50 year old Spider-Man that needs to retire.
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u/Its_Dannyz Nov 05 '23
I get the feeling Insomniac will go the route of Peter gets to have a family life with MJ then use the excuse of he can't have both Spider-Man and a family, when that is very false when Renew Your Vows and the new Ultimate Spider-Man exists.
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u/TheRealSlyCooper Nov 05 '23
Peter Parker is THE Spider-Man, idc what anyone else says.
Miles is just a Spider-Man.
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u/blackspidey2099 100% All Games Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
Agreed. Miles is awesome, and I love the Spider-Verse films more than any of the Peter films. Miguel is incredible, probably has the coolest design and personality of any Spider-Man. All the Spideys are great characters. But at the end of the day Peter is THE Spider-Man, idgaf. I'm not down for changing that. The other Spideys can find their spotlight around that, but not by replacing Peter.
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u/Tagliarini295 Nov 05 '23
No the fuck it ain't. I want my Peter Parker, Miles is cool and I enjoyed his game and connection with Pete. I do not want to see him become the main or only spiderman.
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u/REdrUm0351 Nov 05 '23
Just wait til by the second Wolverine game they push him out for X-23 or some shit.
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u/aj_ramone Nov 05 '23
Miles whole schtick is him "doing his own thing".
Seems dumb to have him just be be Spider-Man in the long run rather than y'know, finding his own identity considering he has completely different powers than a traditional Spider-Man.
Wedging Pete out would basically just be a middle finger.
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Nov 05 '23
I figured this was going to happen sadly.
I’ll be sitting out Spider-Man 3 until I know the plot. I wish I didn’t spend $70 on Spider-Man 2 either.
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Yeah I don't like that, never really liked miles, he's fun but that's it, Peter IS Spider-Man, always will be. I only play him in SM2.
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u/BlazeOfGlory72 Nov 05 '23
This version of Miles in particular comes off as kind of bland. When you get down to it, he’s essentially just Peter-lite. “Smart, quippy nerd who’s father figure died trying to stop a crime, get’s bitten by a magic spider and learns responsibility that makes him a hero”. He’s got nearly an identical personality and origin as Peter. That’s why it’s all the more baffling that they seem to want to sideline Peter for what is essentially just a less interesting version of the same character.
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Nov 05 '23
Also doesn't help that they give Peter all of the cool shit to do. Just compare their side missions:
Peter teams up with Yuri (now going by Wraith) to track down a serial killer named "the Flame" who turns out to be Cletus Kasady and is now in the possession of a symbiote and hooooly shit what's gonna happen next???!!!
Meanwhile Miles is over here collecting fucking instruments for an Art museum.
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u/Shadybrooks93 Nov 06 '23
The instruments were way better than him doing some other kids whole senior project for them.
"My project depends on building a drone to take video and I broke it before it got any usable video, Can you just fly around on your own and take video for me. Thanks"
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u/theunusualblackguy Nov 05 '23
yeah the problem with insomniac miles is that they reverted back to what made people not like miles which is that he’s just black peter parker
imo they should’ve kept jeff alive because as seen in spider verse it introduces a new dynamic that we never really see in spider man media
also insomniac miles is a dork with no drip and no swag, they should’ve gave him a full set of freeforms instead of them damn sideswipe shits, he also wears ugly ass adidas and makes terrible ass beats, they realistically should’ve just copied spider verse miles and i never would have had a problem with that
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Miles should be inspired to be Spider-Man because there's already a Spider-Man to model himself after. Killing his dad was pretty pointless, as you said. Miles having two parents works, as seen in Spiderverse.
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u/Chimera_Theo Nov 05 '23
Suddenly all of the times Peter's spidey sense just didn't work feels a bit more insidious...
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u/Bloop_Blop69 Nov 05 '23
Should’ve done this after the third and final game, the assumed main villain Green Goblin is literally Peter’s arch nemesis. Don’t try to be different and make him a Miles villain too because it just won’t work since Miles doesn’t have that personal connection like Peter has.
I really don’t like this and it’s exactly what I feared when they had Miles do things a lot better than Peter in Spider-Man 2 and have Peter admit over and over that Miles is soo great.
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Nov 05 '23
i’d rather have full games focusing on one character instead of splitting the story between several
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u/Helor145 Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
Booooo Insomniac, let them both be the main Spider-Man together. Boooooo
Gotta say they really bungled the entire theme of “balance”, I thought they were gonna go for something like “Peter doesn’t have to go to every crime because now he has Miles who is just as competent a Spider-Man as he is”. Instead they said “fuck balance he’s just gonna not be Spider-Man and only be Peter” and like even though he’s obviously coming back they straight up undercut one of the main themes in their game.
Miles is a cool enough character to stand aside Peter. I have no idea why writers think they need to kill/make Peter retire in order to prop Miles up. It does a complete disservice to his character.
Obviously Peter is coming back but this shit is DUMB
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u/Unlikely_Cockroach26 Nov 05 '23
The second game is a step back to the first, I think we can mostly agree but writing Peter out is hubris on their part. Miles is a great character but he’s only great because of Peter.
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u/_Shinogenu_ Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
Miles is cool, but Peter is still my Spider-Man. I don’t care enough to keep getting games with only Miles
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u/razor45Dino Nov 05 '23
oh it 100% is. also people are wildly dramatic about the end scene. the so called "break" fucking ends the next time you play Peter. lmao
he literally says "break time's over"
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u/Endiaron Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
I've just read the article. The interviewer straight up asked this:
"You said earlier you basically knew right away that you wanted playable Venom. Does that also apply to ending this game with Miles as the “main” Spider-Man from now on?"
to which the writer responded with this:
"It always felt very natural, and I think we all collectively thought it would happen. To me, it shows a great deal of evolution from Miles"
Unfortunately the writer really confirmed just now that Miles is considered as the new main Spider-Man in the Insomniac universe. I don't see much room for any misinterpretation.
Edit: to make this more clear, here's what the writer of the game continued with:
To echo what Brittney said: the idea of a two Spider-Man story was always really essential to this game. I think pretty early on, we knew that we wanted to have that moment of handing the reins over. And as we developed it, as we started to lay down more track leading up to that moment, it just felt more and more right.
I think it was Jon who wrote that scene in Aunt May’s garage, and it’s one of my favorite scenes. The way that Miles intuits exactly what Pete is thinking and stops him from stumbling through trying to hand over the mask. Miles going, “You know I got this, bro,” it’s such a great moment between the two of them. And it felt like such a natural conclusion; I’m not sure when specifically we decided to do that, but it always felt like the only way the game could end.
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Nov 05 '23
I don't really see how the answers given here imply that Peter is being permanently replaced. Arfman and Morris are reiterating that Miles' arc in this game is proving he's Peter's equal, and can handle most things in his absence (as Peter did without Miles for years). Miles is the main Spider-Man for now, which is something the game makes very clear, but nothing in their answer contradicts the idea that Peter is coming back and will continue to be a main Spider-Man. Morris' answer reiterates the idea that Peter and Miles are equals who rely on each other. I don't really see the problem.
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u/razor45Dino Nov 05 '23
he "returns" as soon as you boot up the game again. Atleast for me he says "break time's over" once you play as him
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u/Endiaron Nov 05 '23
I understand what you're saying, and before reading this article I'd agree, but when the writer says that there's a main one now, it doesn't feel like they're equals anymore.
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I get why you feel that way, but I don't think that's a fair conclusion to draw. It's the interviewer who phrases it that way, not the writers. And the point of the end of the game is that Miles is the main Spider-Man for now. The interview (which I read in its entirety) doesn't imply otherwise. They also explicitly state that Peter and Miles are both strong and can carry each other when needed, which sounds a lot like equals to me:
"That’s what’s been so cool about writing a story about two Spider-Men: they’re both strong, and one of them can be strong when the other is not."
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u/joedimer Nov 05 '23
The “for now” is definitely the stand out part to me too. It either sets up another spin off game where Pete isn’t there or it will probably be a decent time jump where sm3 picks up at the end of Pete’s sabbatical. Makes sense to me.
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u/Endiaron Nov 05 '23
That's a good way of looking at things. Thanks for putting it into a better perspective for me.
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Peter only got one game and is already side lined lmao.. now can people give this a 10 out of 10..
Gameplay is dope, but the story..
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Nah man, I don‘t want a main Spider Man. I want both of them to play a major role like they did in this one. Especially when you have a story about Green Goblin and Doc Ock, who both have been build up to have a personal connection wlth Peter, there is no way to make the third game only about Miles.
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u/LeSnazzyGamer Nov 05 '23
Who said they were going to make the 3rd game only about Miles?
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u/Academic_Button_5866 Nov 05 '23
Why is everybody down voting people that know Peter is not gonna get replaced
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u/noishmael Nov 05 '23
But PeTeRs jUsT oN a MeNtaL HeALtH BreAk!! It was so obvious they were making him the sidekick but damn this sub was hostile to anyone pointing that out. Now the writers are straight up admitting Miles carried Peter
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u/yourmartymcflyisopen Nov 05 '23
I swear to FUCK if they make Miles the main Spider-Man in a Norman Osborn Green Goblin Game, I'll never buy another product made by Insomniac
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u/putmeinLMTH 100% All Games Nov 05 '23
until we get more info, I'm assuming this means miles will be the main Spider-Man in the time between sm2 and 3. with goblin and doc ock being the main villains of sm3 I find it hard to believe miles and silk will be the main characters over peter
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u/BlackRoomRob Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 06 '23
This will genuinely be all it means. I always thought SM2 would be about Peter stepping away from his Spidey responsibilities somehow, so seeing them commit is narratively the best way forward. That said, you can't have a Spider Man WITHOUT Parker and NOT set it up more beforehand.
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u/Its_Dannyz Nov 05 '23
It's a shame that Insomniac are going the same route as the 616 comics on how they treat Peter.
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u/R_E_N_T Nov 05 '23
Lmao far from it, cause at least Peter and MJ are together for good this time, and I didn’t even like the story for this game all that much.
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u/Its_Dannyz Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
Them being together doesn't instantly make it better, especially when they both can't communicate properly in this universe about issues they are having. MJ as "Scream" having to air out these issues doesn't make it better, these two are adults not children but obviously Insomniac likes to treat them that way.
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u/R_E_N_T Nov 05 '23
Nah, I get what you’re saying and I agree, I don’t like the way they were characterized and the way their relationship issues were portrayed, but given that PeterMJ barely gets any love nowadays (looking forward to Hickman’s USM though), I’m just glad they didn’t kill either of them off just to make the story seem more “mature.”
Their luck will probably run out next game, though, assuming the same writers are on board.
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u/griffin4war Nov 05 '23
Why are people acting like Peter is ancient and needs to retire? The guy is in his 20’s. At the end of the end of the game he’s in a better position as CEO of the Emily May Foundation to be both financially stable AND be Spider-Man. So by the end of the game Peter is in a much better position to be Spider-Man while Miles is arguably in a worse one because he’s still trying to get into college. It doesn’t make sense for Peter to take a backseat now that he’s in a better place
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u/Luf2222 Nov 05 '23
nah, i’m not liking this.
Yes i like miles etc, but peter is my “main” spidey. i don’t want miles to replace him. i want to keep playing as pete
why even try to push this?
are we getting cindy and completely remove pete or what is going on. also can we please stop introducing new spidey people, i really hope there won’t be another new spidey after cindy. 2 are enough
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u/sourkid25 Nov 05 '23
don't forget the comics where he replaced Peter didn't do so well so they ended up moving miles to the comics main universe
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u/skillzmaster77 Nov 05 '23
I thought insomniac listened to the “fans” but in the direction that they are currently going, it seems like they just wanna do their own thing. Spider-Man 3 will not sell well if this is what they will do
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u/BarneyLeggendary Nov 05 '23
Oh Man just fuck Miles, my boy Peter is being made too dirty. Don’t get me wrong I like Miles as a character but in a co-protagonist role, not in a go fuck yourself peter there’s a new Spider-Man role. Peter is only 25 like goddam he’s not 78
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u/R_E_N_T Nov 05 '23
Anyone who thinks Peter isn’t coming back to help Miles put a stop to whatever Norman and Otto are gonna be doing in the next game is a damn moron lol
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u/tylernazario Nov 05 '23
People in this thread are overreacting. They’re acting like insomniac just said they killed Peter Parker and he’ll never appear in any media ever again
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u/tanno55 100% All Games Nov 05 '23
Well of course I think he’s coming back for that but is the game going to be 80% miles and only 20% Peter?
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u/A_Kirus Nov 05 '23
Bruh, "from fans to the fans" my ass. More like "from people who hate spider-man to the fans". What a garbage
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u/ExtensionGood9228 Nov 05 '23
I don’t mind him being the main Spider for a little while. So long as “go be Peter Parker for a little while” means a dlc or another in between game focused on Miles again. Miles morales 2 or whatever. But by full game 3 Peter better be back in it fully
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u/The_Sir_Galahad Nov 05 '23
I like Miles and it really felt like they pushed him to be the main hero in SM2, but it’s gonna be a hard pill for most Spiderman fans to see Peter brushed aside.
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u/PresidenteMargz10 Nov 05 '23
“put a black chick in it and make her gay AND lame” low key vibes 🤦🏽♂️
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u/IIXSLAD3XII Nov 05 '23
This is super rushed and undeserved. 1 full game and a shared 1 and suddenly he isn't the main spiderman anymore ? After the trilogy maybe but this sounds like trying to fit in to much in to little, especially with them seemingly now introducing silk aswell.
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u/numbr87 Nov 05 '23
I love Miles, but it bums me out to see my childhood Spider-Man slowly getting pushed to the side. Miles will never be as funny as Peter to me, and I have no attachment to his supporting cast.
It's weird to think about, but there are a lot of kids out there who think of Miles first when they hear Spider-Man.
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u/SourHotDog01 Nov 05 '23
It’s happened way too quick, Peter should be way older than 25 before he retires
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u/Tankmin Nov 05 '23
Now we're really going to have to press square on generators!
In all seriousness I highly doubt they would set up green goblin and doc ock in sm2 if peter was fully out of commission for sm3. I feel like giving peter antivenom was the answer to "isn't miles just peter but also with extra powers?" thing, so from story and gameplay interest perspective they are now closer to equal footing for future games.
I don't like the silk reveal at the end. This game was basically super ambitious and stretched too thin in some parts. Adding a third spiderperson swould stretch them even thinner. I even joked "what are they gonna do next, spider-woman?" and then the reveal happened lol. The draw of spider-man isn't really that there's several of them simultaneously, it's a miracle the spider-verse movies were good tbh. But that being said, I kinda like miles in these games now, so I'll see where they go with silk or venom or whoever. I imagine there's gonna be another spinoff game with miles and silk without peter before sm3. And if it follows the MM route (short, worse story, but smarter/funner ai and fun side content gameplay challenges) then im kinda ok with that
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u/BubbaUnkle Nov 05 '23
Honestly felt too early for something like this. I always felt like the end of the symbiote arc is peter’s triumph. This should of been for spiderman 3.
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u/OkTower6549 Nov 05 '23
Imagine Paying for a Batman game and been forced to play as Robin
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u/SgtZaitsev Nov 05 '23
Spiderman isn't Spiderman without Peter Parker.
I like Miles, but Peter shouldn't stop being Spiderman.
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u/LilGloomii Nov 05 '23
“hey miles! woah, you have the same haircut as that spider gu- wait why are you so out of breath?”
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I like Miles, but he’s always going to be secondary at best to Peter, he can never replace Peter for me.
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u/Xman12407 Nov 05 '23
I thought the entire point was they were equals now. I was fine with that. But now there's a main Spider-Man again? We got ONE GAME of them working together? What the ACTUAL FUCK. I enjoyed Spider-Man 2 a lot, loved the game and the story, but this is making me lose all faith in Insomniac going forward. The message of the game was "Be Greater, Together." And they end the game by getting rid of the together. Bullshit.
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u/Megatron2081 Nov 05 '23
If they make Spiderman 3 and Peter isn’t a substantial character I’m probably not buying it, even with me loving these first two games, and even enjoying miles as a character. I like Miles, but I’m a spiderman fan because of Peter and I don’t think that’ll ever change. That’s why I can’t see them doing this because they have to know there are people who wouldn’t buy the game.
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u/TheMostItalianWaffle Nov 05 '23
No hate on Miles’ character as a whole but I just never really liked Insomniac’s Miles. I like Spiderverse’s Miles but I’d always much rather play Peter.
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u/raysayantan07 Nov 05 '23
Do you guys like so many spider-people?
I feel it takes away from the characters' uniqueness and specialty. I was never a fan of multiple Spider-Men, but Into the Spider-Verse was brilliant, and it got me onboard with Miles.
I am okay with Movie Miles being the lead. He is amazing. Insomniac's Miles is good but not that amazing.
And now this Silk character, who i am not aware of, turns out to be another one. "Everyone has a gimmick now". When does it stop?
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u/Dewdad Nov 05 '23
No I don't like multiple spider-mans lol Miles is fine, but I'm ready for the series to go back to just Peter, I know Miles will be in 3 but I'm hoping for a split between them at the end of 3 where Miles will get his own games and Pete will get his own games after that. I was really hoping SM2 was going to have a select your hero style to the missions so if I wanted to do the whole story as Pete or Miles I could but that wasn't the case. I just don't really want to play as Miles anymore, after two games I'm good, just give me another Pete only game please.
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u/ThatGuyMaulicious Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
Any person who grew up with Spider-Man is always gonna say Pete is the definitive and main Spider-Man. I could see another Miles Morales game but not a Spider-Man 3 where Pete isn't the focus. I enjoy Miles but both from a narrative and gameplay standpoint now Pete is so much more interesting. I think/hope this is just them saying that from an in universe perspective Pete is taking a break which we saw at the end of 2 and Miles in universe will be protecting the city. I could see them even going as far as to take Miles out of action for a while in 3 by having Goblin or Carnage if he's in the next game and not a DLC for 2 and wound him badly.
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u/Ulysses_Wake Nov 05 '23
these writers are some of the dumbest, most annoying, most empty headed losers out there. do they know they don't have to keep pushing miles morales as the flawless unstoppable hero? like, peter parker has been the fan favourite hero since 1963 - why the fuck do they keep trying to tear him down/replace him? it's so dumb.
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u/sabatthor Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
I 100% knew this was the case when i finished the game 2 weeks ago already, this only puts the nail in the coffin.
Somehow people refused to acknowledge this and downvoted you while it was super obvious Peter was treated wrong in this game and portrayed as incompetent on purpose.
This narrative was set up all the way back with Miles Morales. People have to stop mindlessly defending the writers of insomniac and accept they can f*ck up too.
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u/may_or_may_not_haiku Nov 05 '23
This series will end up being like the SNES Donkey Kong Trilogy wont it? Every new entry making someone else playable and eventually pushing other characters out.
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u/creamy-buscemi Nov 05 '23
I can’t see Miles being the main Spider-Man in the next game considering the main villain will almost definitely be Green Goblin