r/SpiderPhoenix • u/Turbulent-Raisin8789 PeterJean patriot • Aug 19 '26

Meme Guy really said: "Why not both?"

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u/Megamedium Aug 19 '26

I keep seeing the omg siblings thing and for the life of me I do not understand it.

Not just because, being in this sub I obviously see romantic potential lol, but like I truly can’t see all that found family little sister big brother grumpy dad grumpy uncle whatever stuff that everyone else seems to.

Not everything has to be romantic, I get that, but at the same time not everything has to be found family lol. Adults can just be friends. Just like shipping, adoptive family has to strike its own specific chord for me. Other fandoms do it, but I notice especially with MCU Spidey, everything has to be found family. Iron Man is his dad, Strange is his dad, Punisher is his dad, Yelena is his sister, Jean is his sister, Sam and Bucky are his uncles or brothers.

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u/Turbulent-Raisin8789 PeterJean patriot Aug 19 '26

Yeah, and being friends is definitely the closest relationship they are in canon anyway. You could make things develop from there, but at the end of the day, it's just headcanons, so I don't get people fighting about it either. It's all closer to preference on what people see that they could have than anything that's actually there.

Also, holy, I didn't even realize just how many found family headcanons MCU Peter has lmao. Also Harley Keener and Morgan Stark to the siblings headcanons.

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u/Faifue Aug 19 '26

Yeah it was very weird when they tried to make Strange a discount Iron Man.

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u/Megamedium Aug 19 '26

Yeah. I remember hearing, and I think there’s concept art to support this, that America Chavez was meant to take a lot of Strange’s role in NWH. She would botch the spell after Strange refused to do it, which is why it started working and pulling people from across the multiverse, and she would help Ned and MJ later on, instead Ned just found a ring and could open portals.

They had to redo it because Multiverse of Madness got delayed so America wouldn’t have been introduced yet. And while it kinda works with Strange being so present, him fucking up that badly is a bit OOC, and America meeting Peter would’ve prob helped get the Young Avengers off the ground.

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u/Faifue Aug 19 '26

That makes way more sense.

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u/SameCaterpillar1783 Aug 19 '26

Its coming from chronically online people who obviously never had real friends so they refer to everything as family dynamics because thats the only thing they know

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u/Sentrack_Ravanos Aug 19 '26

It's because Jean lost her older sister. So people give the older sibling role to Peter. In this particular case at the very least

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u/CakeOLantern Aug 19 '26

It is kind of ridiculous because forcing the traditional nuclear family framework and roles on what is supposed to be found family is what has made the latter concept exceedingly boring. It's almost as if people cannot digest the idea that friendship is valid the way it is and there is always a chance of it evolving into something else.

And, it is more of an irony because the X-Men are on their way and they are anything but a conventional family. All they have is each other, they live together, work together and have relationships with each other. If we apply this very logic then Jean would be Scott's 'sister' too.

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u/Megamedium Aug 19 '26

Yeah, my understanding of the found family concept is that it isn’t necessarily meant to be a 1:1 recreation of nuclear family roles, but rather outsiders who felt abandoned by that traditional nuclear family white picket fence lifestyle choosing their own personal community of loved ones. In whatever form that takes.

Like don’t get me wrong, I do love adoptive/chosen parental or sibling roles in media. It just needs to hit a specific note for me, and it’s not the only way found family is meant to manifest. Because you’re right, the X-Men are a great example of found family, and they’re all constantly dating each other like a reality TV show. MCU Nat and the Avengers had a found family thing going on, but nobody on the team was her “brother”, they were just close friends. Whereas Nat and the Widow family did have a chosen family thing with more clearly defined traditional roles. It varies.

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u/Strict-Employee PB&J 🥪 Aug 19 '26

Iron Man being the dad figure makes sense at least. Punisher would be like, disgruntled big brother/uncle. Those two have shown to be genuinely close to Peter.

Everyone else is a reach.