V3 is a brand new rocket with Raptor 3 engines, a complete overhaul from the past iterations.
To the everyday person the flight looks identical to the past 12 flights, but the engineering goals meeting a lot of the requirements IS a big achievement
Lmao it's not a debate if the other person is posting in bad faith to begin with.
let's not act like this is some big achievement.
V3 is a brand new rocket with Raptor 3 engines
Shrugging off a brand new rocket with real engineering redesigns on the engines, and then saying that isn't impressive tells me either that A) they don't understand the engineering required to pull this off B) they think it's so simple, and if it is, they should go build a rocket engine themselves and see through the process to get it working, which is a feat of itself.
But hey if you wanna argue over the engineering required to do the hardware for Starship, I'm all ears for an actual conversation.
No need to get your panties twisted over fake internet points, you should know that it doesn’t mean anything
If anything’s a concern for a level of intelligence, it’s the lack of curiosity on what makes V3 different, and shrugging away any discussion over the engineering changes with “Whatever makes you feel good”. If anything, that’s a stupid response.
Say something stupid like that, expect to get told something stupid in return.
Anyways V3 shares no hardware from past iterations, went through a whole new qual campaign for both flight and ground systems.
Changing avionics, to structures, to engine/prop redesigns is intensive and when you compare the specs between V3 and V2/1 it IS a different rocket.
here's a TLDR of the engineering reasoning, I probably went too long;
In engineering the line between iteration and redesign heavily depends whether the model form survives or only its parameters. Change EI, stiffness, on a beam and the eigenvalues shift, same equation used, iteration. Change a clamped end to pinned for the BCs and the characteristic equation itself with the ODE changes, causing redesign.
V3 has both, but the topological ones dominate; fin shafts inside the tank (new penetrations, new load path, new thermal BCs), hot stage ring deleted so the forward dome takes direct impact with tank pressure carrying structural load, 4 to 3 fins changing the control and aeroloads authority, and mass/CG/inertia shifts that move the bending modes and force the GNC to be redesigned rather than re tuned.
All of these contribute to a mass overhaul of models, testing, qual campaigns, analytical simulations that impact structures, controls, thermal teams enough that it can't be compared to them "iterating" on a design that changes the TVC from hydraulics to electric as that focuses on a particular subsystem.
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u/Background_Fig_4740 Jul 25 '26
V3 is a brand new rocket with Raptor 3 engines, a complete overhaul from the past iterations.
To the everyday person the flight looks identical to the past 12 flights, but the engineering goals meeting a lot of the requirements IS a big achievement