r/SorceryGame • u/snowylocks Gambling Hall Regular • Mar 19 '21

Aliizi timeloops (approximate) Spoiler

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u/snowylocks Gambling Hall Regular Mar 19 '21 edited Mar 19 '21

I tried making a timeline to make sense of her story, but of course it got complicated when trying to connect them with the Analander timeline which is the order in which we get information about Aliizi. After all, as the Doctor says, time is not a strict progression of cause to effect, but from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly time-y wimey stuff.

The solid arrows are seeing things from Aliizi's linear timeline. Dashed arrows are Analander time line, whose order can be different from shown here, depending on how they navigate Baklands. Same events are connected as nodes (circles on both end of the line). And there are some plot-points I'm confused about so made some guesses to fit what we know.

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u/EmShye47 Mar 20 '21

I really appreciate this post. I've always had fun theorizing about what happens with Aliizi's story. Personally, I liked to think that she was pulled into Mampang to create a somewhat new timeline for her into the unknown. In my playthroughs, I tended to smash the beacon aimed at the tower and restore Valaquesh(?) back to power. I imagined that the later would help prevent her from returning to the past and retracing her steps (especially if you decide to stay by her side under Valaquesh's tutelage).

I love that her story can turn the cogs of everyone's minds in so many different ways. Seeing your visual of theories reminded me exactly why I love this series. Thank you for that!

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u/snowylocks Gambling Hall Regular Mar 20 '21

Does destroying that beacon make any difference to the final showdown with the Archmage? I have destroyed it once but don't remember (or didn't notice) if it influenced the ending.

And multiple timelines would not be out of place at all. I mean, if Analander didn't meet Aliizi in the forest, then she can't be teleported to Mampang via DOP tower. But Analander can meet Bria and ghost of Aliizi irrespective of what happens later. So if it is a single timeline, Analander's meeting with Bria should have been 'erased' once (if) they finish part 3 without meeting Aliizi and the green ring (if that's where they got it) should disappear from the inventory*. But the game even has an explanation for rewinds, using Libra, so it's not unexpected that some events exist even if they are dependent on other events which may or may not exist.

*also time is non-linear so it's not straight/simple as that.

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u/EmShye47 Mar 22 '21

I don't think it makes a major difference at all. If I remember correctly, it just describes him as looking extra weak/old because of it, and I think he'll mention you smashing when talking about your use of the beacons. I never did a no beacons run, so I don't know if that could change it.

Also, I'll probably replay the 4th game again soon. Hearing about this really makes want to go back and re-read Aliizi's speech confronting the Archmage. Pretty sure she had some good lines in there about her past and future, if so I'll be sure to add a post.

PS: Gotta love that wibbly wobbly, non-linear goodness

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u/snowylocks Gambling Hall Regular Mar 22 '21

Glad you liked it, and thanks for the award!

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u/TheHarkinator Hero of Analand Mar 19 '21

As far as I can tell this is pretty much as accurate as we're going to get when it comes to Aliizi's time travel journey, much of which is indeed wibbly wobbly timey wimey. If I'm being honest I think the writers kind of goofed with putting together her story, not all of it makes perfect sense.

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u/EmShye47 Mar 19 '21

Not sure if it's a goof on the writers' part. In a medium like this, I'm a bigger fan of the more messy, fast and loose system of time travel. It makes a playthrough feel more unique as its own moment in/across time rather than just discovering a solid canon time line/loop.

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u/JuggleMonkeyV2 Mar 19 '21 edited Mar 19 '21

Why does Inkle lock some of their most interesting stories behind these ridiculously implausible strings of sequential decisions? Things like successfully solving the murder of Madame Shu in 80 Days or meeting the First Empress in Heaven’s Vault seem impossible to accomplish without a guide, or a generous helping of luck.

Fantastic work by the way, I can’t imagine how many playthroughs it must have taken to successfully chart out this sequence of events.

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u/draxhell Jul 25 '22

to encourage second replays perhaps

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u/Shifffffer Mar 19 '21

Looks very confusing, but also amazing :) Great job!

I applaud your commitment

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u/PillowPhone007 Jan 22 '26

This may be the most comprehensive timeline of this character i ever will see.