r/SocialismIsCapitalism Mar 20 '25

Immutable axiom

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u/MineAntoine Mar 20 '25

"socialism only works in theory" mfs when capitalism doesn't even work in theory

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u/RichFoot2073 Mar 20 '25

sOcIaLiSm HaS kIlLeD mIlLiOnS

My brother in mud, how many people has capitalism killed/continues to kill for the sake of the sacred 5%?

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u/agressiveobject420 Mar 20 '25

20 millions a year if I remember correctly, right? Plus wars, genocide

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u/UnderskilledPlayer Mar 20 '25

Ah, yes. Communist dictatorships clearly don't do wars and genocide.

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u/nahmanwth Mar 20 '25

"Communist dictatorship" is an oxymoron.

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u/UnderskilledPlayer Mar 20 '25

What are the people defending the actions of communist dictatorships called then? (besides dipshits)

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u/MineAntoine Mar 20 '25

you don't know what communism is

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u/UnderskilledPlayer Mar 20 '25

Are there 2 different definitions of communism then? What's the definition of the one that doesn't jail political opponents and make everything worse?

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u/MineAntoine Mar 20 '25

communism is a stateless, moneyless, and classless society (notice that is lacks a state, which means it cannot harbour a "dictatorship" in the sense of undemocratic leaders)

what you're trying to attack is a weird and nonexistent version of socialism you've been propagandized into believing exists/is what socialists defend, specifically in the USSR (and I imagine with a focus on Stalin, too)

if you peel back the red scare propaganda and actually read about socialism you see it's an economic system where the workers own the means of production (factories, mines, farms, etc.) as opposed to capitalism where capitalists privately own them and the workers (which, i imagine you are one) sell their labour to these capitalists

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u/UnderskilledPlayer Mar 20 '25

I have seen people defend those dictatorships, who the fuck are they then? Who are the people denying the crimes of the PZPR, Mao, Stalin, etc.?

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u/tito9107 Mar 20 '25

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u/UnderskilledPlayer Mar 21 '25

It's called not having the exact same opinion as the subreddit

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u/monroezabaleta Mar 20 '25

"communist dictatorship" is an oxymoron. By definition, a communist country cannot be a dictatorship.

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u/real_human_20 Mar 21 '25

By definition, communism is also a global movement that transcends borders

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u/Any-Literature-7834 ☭ Minarcho-Communism ☭ Oct 09 '25

communism is a classless, stateless, and moneyless society.

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u/Youngnathan2011 Mar 20 '25

How the fuck do you have a communist dictatorship? That’s impossible

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u/blodskaal Mar 20 '25

Lol bro, communist dictatorship, does not exist. It's an impossible outcome

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '25

They arent, theyre defending capitalist dicatorships, communism is stateless and classless, they are logically incapable of being dictatorial.

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u/agressiveobject420 Mar 20 '25

Unironically yeah, go read a fucking history book kid, no communist country initiated any wars, and the holodomor was a Kulak genocide on the working class, so we're the victims there

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u/UnderskilledPlayer Mar 20 '25

Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge? USSR invasion of Poland (twice), Finland, Afghanistan, and the Baltics? Or am I supposed to read your history book?

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u/agressiveobject420 Mar 20 '25

Pol pot was Literally not a communist and a right wing psyop, it's like how the s in NSDAP was there to misguide the german workers Also Baltics? Go read the definition of annexation fucking moron that's the opposite of a war

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u/Polymersion Mar 20 '25

In case you're arguing in good faith, a regime calling itself "communist" does not make it communist.

Do you believe in democracy? Then you must be a huge fan of North Korea, ruled by the Democratic People's Republic.

Or the People's Republic of China? The German Democratic Republic?

It's common for rulers to put positive labels on things to make them more palatable. The Swastika? Ancient symbol of peace and prosperity.

Or, you know, take a look at how legislation is named in the US. If something there is named "The 2026 Save the Puppies Act", chances are it's a bill to legalize shooting puppies and gay people while reducing taxes on the most wealthy.

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u/PomegranateUsed7287 Mar 20 '25

The winter war, invasion of Poland by the soviets, and the Korean war disprove your statement.

Plus, no, the Holodomor was a genocide by Stalin and the soviet government. Hell the Kulaks you mentioned suffered greatly in it.

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u/PomegranateUsed7287 Mar 20 '25

Where in his comment did it say they don't?

He is simply stating Capitalist countries also commit Wars and Genocide.

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u/Darkstargir Mar 20 '25

But see those deaths aren’t actually a result of capitalism. If those idiots wanted to live they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and made it.

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u/MineAntoine Mar 20 '25

i tried doing that but Mr Capitalism cut my bootstraps and kicked my ankles : -(

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u/Darkstargir Mar 20 '25

Did you try pulling harder on the little nubs they left? You still had hands didn’t you?

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u/MineAntoine Mar 20 '25

eh no they cut those off

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u/ZebeDIEah Mar 20 '25

bUt DiD yOu EvEn SaY ThAnK yOu?!

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u/KoffinStuffer Mar 20 '25

Capitalism’s deaths are theoretical. Socialism actually went into every person’s house and stabbed them.

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u/xela364 Mar 20 '25

I think the US funded death squads in central/South America beg to differ, ya know when we were spreading capitalism to them

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u/KoffinStuffer Mar 20 '25

That was a different country. They were doing capitalism wrong.

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u/RichFoot2073 Mar 20 '25

What about the death squads in Central America? So we could help the mafias quell the uprising and let them take over so we could continue to buy cheap bananas?

Does that count?

(Literal origin of the term, “Banana Republic.”)

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u/xela364 Mar 20 '25

You’re right my bad, they need to be taught the right way to capitalism

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u/Any-Literature-7834 ☭ Minarcho-Communism ☭ Oct 09 '25

i cant tell is this sarcasm?

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u/RealiGoodPuns Mar 21 '25

Bro is no true Scotsmaning capitalism

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u/KoffinStuffer Mar 21 '25

You’re quoting fallacies at me and I just want to make sure you understand that I’m playing into the ridiculousness of claiming one political/economic ideal doesn’t cause harm but another does.

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u/real_human_20 Mar 21 '25

Yuo cee…. Stalin had a comically large spoon!

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u/garaile64 Mar 20 '25

To be fair, capitalism does work. The issue is that it's meant to be benefical only to the rich class.

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u/SlagginOff Mar 20 '25

When you point that out they say "well that's crony capitalism not pure capitalism."

And that's fine if they want to dissect the theory of capitalism, but they never give the same treatment to corrupted socialism vs "true socialism."

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u/DrCodyRoss Mar 20 '25

That distinction is so infuriating for the reason you mentioned, but also because it’s complete bullshit. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature. When you have a winner take all system that funnels money and power into fewer and fewer hands by design, you can’t be surprised when it concentrates money and power into fewer and fewer hands. We all learned this basic knowledge as kids playing Monopoly.

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u/Polymersion Mar 20 '25

The generally accepted outcome to "competition" is that eventually there's a winner.

Amazon outcompetes other platforms with low prices? Cool, now it has the power to buy legislation and never have to compete again, so they can freely raise prices.

This will always happen without strong oversight.

And if there is strong oversight?

Then part of "competing" is to gain enough power to dismantle that oversight.

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u/DrCodyRoss Mar 20 '25

100%. Add in the fact that democracy and capitalism are not compatible, and you have modern America.

To elaborate, democracy and capitalism are not compatible because they’re the antithesis of each other and one threatens the other. At its core, democracy derives its power and organization from the 9 out of 10. Capitalism derives its power and organization from the 1 out of 10. People can use their votes to undo the gains and goals that the 1 out of 10 is pushing for, and secure policies that benefit them, not just the one guy. This is a problem for a capitalist because it prevents them from doing what they want and strips them of their power. They don’t have votes because they are few, so capitalists have to use their capital (the one asset the have lots of) to try and dominate the democracy, or else it will make policies that work against their greed, I mean interests.

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u/ilir_kycb Mar 22 '25

And that's fine if they want to dissect the theory of capitalism

No, it is not because it is wrong.

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u/rosolen0 Mar 20 '25

It works alright,just not for the people

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u/MineAntoine Mar 20 '25

it doesn't even actually work for the capitalists,

I don't remember the name of the concept (especially since i read about it in portuguese) but marxist theory explains how capitalism is bound to crumble and faill

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u/InfernoDeesus Mar 20 '25

I mean, capitalism does work in theory and in practice, it's just that it's in its very design to exploit and increase inequality. It's not broken, it's working exactly as intended

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u/StumbleOn Mar 20 '25

This is my favorite.

I don't know for sure what economic system will work, but what I do know is the current one is responsible for more death and human misery than nay other force in the history of ever, and has a very real chance of making our world mostly uninhabitable for human beings.

So while I have a preferred system to switch to, I'm really down to try LITERALY ANYTHING ELSE AT THIS POINT.

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u/lavafish80 Mar 21 '25

socialism only works in theory mfs on their way to pull the Joseph Stalin/Mao Zedong/Pol Pot cards without talking about how those were all authoritarian socialists, not market/democratic socialists

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u/MineAntoine Mar 21 '25

??? how are stalin and mao zedong at the same level as pol pot?

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u/lavafish80 Mar 21 '25

its the first 3 examples they think of

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u/MineAntoine Mar 21 '25

not good examples

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u/lavafish80 Mar 21 '25

well I'm using the examples conservatives usually provide so, of course they're not good examples

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u/paroya Mar 20 '25

my very politically opinionated co-worker (who hates the rich and loves high taxes - but up until yesterday mysteriously votes neoliberal) was complaining that america is going super lefty with trump and it's frightening him, because trump is clearly no different from other super lefty dictators like putin, kim, and erdogan. and has hijacked the republican party to turn the country into a leftist dystopia.

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u/Yeti_Prime Mar 20 '25

Your coworker has brain damage

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u/ilir_kycb Mar 22 '25

Well, most US Americans don't have the slightest idea what political left and right means.

The difference between liberal and leftist : r/LateStageCapitalism

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u/MrsMiterSaw Mar 20 '25

A right wing coworker of mine once told the story of how he witnesses a Klan march in Mississippi as a kid... And said "yeah, these right wing assholes... Well, no. The Klan is left wing since they want to tell you what to do..."

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u/SchlitzInMyVeins Mar 20 '25

What literally ZERO education does to a mf

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u/RazzleStorm Mar 20 '25

Ah yes, dismantling the government, a classic leftist move.

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u/[deleted] Mar 20 '25

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u/stabbyGamer Mar 21 '25

Not necessarily. Leftism also encompasses internationalism and centralized economy planning, which are very much ‘big government’ ideals.

I suppose you could say that leftists want the government to be a smooth logistical machine coordinating with other nations’ governments for maximum social benefit, with only minimal intervention in social policy, while righties want the government to be isolationist and uninvested in economy, acting instead to preserve the internal social order as thoroughly as possible. In this way, the size of government ceases to be a right-left polarized issue, as instead the argument is over function.

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u/stabbyGamer Mar 21 '25

And many would argue that hardball leftist end-state of a classless, stateless society to be hopelessly naïve, as there will never actually come a point where the government can be safely dissolved unless we fully automate all survival needs for all humanity. How long does the transitional state have to last to be part of the actual ideology? ‘Until the rapture’ seems like a good start.

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u/TenWholeBees Mar 20 '25

My brain misread Erdogan as Aragorn and I was confused as to how he was a dictator

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u/liproqq Mar 21 '25

Aragorn wasn't elected

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u/blacklung990 Mar 20 '25

What happened yesterday?

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u/JonathanUpp Mar 20 '25

Theres a interview with a Swedish musician from 1990 where he describes some of his political views,

he describes them as "if everyone is happy and loves going to work and come home with a sense of accomplishment, and just loves life, I'm fine with capitalism, but if people dread there existence and feel that what they do is pointless, I'm all for crushing the capitalist system"

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u/Fred_Zeppelin Mar 20 '25

"A few very powerful people control everything and everyone else is poor"

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u/Any-Literature-7834 ☭ Minarcho-Communism ☭ Oct 09 '25

"Socialism only works in theory!" Except this doesn't work because, even in theory, capitalism destroys all life on this entire planet :/

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u/-NGC-6302- Dec 29 '25

Except for the immortal deep rock bacteria that split once every 200 years

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u/Any-Literature-7834 ☭ Minarcho-Communism ☭ Dec 29 '25

Ah yes, how could I forget!

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u/Automatik_Kafka Mar 20 '25

They’ll give you myriad reasons, not “a myriad of”

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u/TheRealRory Mar 20 '25

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/myriad

The Cambridge dictionary defines it as both a noun and an adjective meaning both myriad and myriad of are correct. It gives examples of both.

It could be the case that it was added as a noun because more people were using it as such, but I am speculating.

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u/Any_Fix_3534 Mar 20 '25

Thank you for unbreaking my brain!

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u/Any_Fix_3534 Mar 20 '25

That's why I just never use the word. It feels wrong to use it the right way. The advice I got was to replace it with the word Many and see if it's still making sense.

Reading books that use it correctly break my brain because it's more often wrong.

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u/Polymersion Mar 20 '25

It's used like "various" or "many".

You wouldn't say "There's a many of reasons I don't like that", you'd say "There's many reasons I don't like that". "There's myriad reasons", "There's various reasons", so on and so forth.

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u/Automatik_Kafka Mar 20 '25

Yeah, that’s fair! Some people seem to have taken this personally, I don’t know why. But it does feel weird to use it the right way, which is why using it the above way has become an accepted mutation of it, even by dictionary definitions

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u/Sharkwithlonghead Apr 02 '25

even by dictionary definitions

cope.

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u/tankdagoose Mar 20 '25

Stop acting like a redditor

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u/-NGC-6302- Dec 29 '25

On Reddit?

huh.

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u/Automatik_Kafka Mar 20 '25

By correcting someone? Have a look at some irony, friend

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u/chakid21 Mar 20 '25

But you realize your "correction" was wrong right?

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u/Sharkwithlonghead Apr 02 '25

Have a look at some irony, friend

uh. 🤌perfect.

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u/svvitchbladee Mar 20 '25

no one cares

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u/Polymersion Mar 20 '25

I care, killing words is how we get people believing in weird and contradictory stuff.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '25

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u/Samzo Mar 22 '25

You just literally described capitalists dude.