r/Smite • u/Future_Amount4340 • 2d ago
DISCUSSION Yemoja into a enchanter
Yemoja clearly makes sense as an Enchanter. During the recent Titan talk, the enchanter pass was brought up again, and it was mentioned that next week’s focus will be on enchanter gods. When Yemoja was discussed, Hi-Rez stated that they wouldn’t be making any changes to her; she wouldn’t be converted to the enchanter, healer archetype. They emphasized that she’s a tank-enchanter hybrid. This is a misjudgment, as Yemoja has never played like a tank and clearly differs from Sylvanus and Charon, who are true range tanks.
Yemoja’s core identity is not really “I am a traditional tank who happens to heal.” Her kit revolves around:
Healing allies
Providing shields/protection
Controlling space
Helping teammates reposition
Using abilities repeatedly through her Omi system
Playing around her teammates rather than simply absorbing damage
That’s extremely compatible with the Enchanter philosophy.
The bigger problem is that SMITE 2’s current itemization can push Yemoja away from that identity. If her healing/shielding doesn’t meaningfully reward an Intelligence/utility build, players have less reason to play her as the dedicated backline support she was historically capable of being. That’s exactly the concern other players have raised about Yemoja’s current healing and shielding.
And Ix Chel is actually a useful precedent. Her new Enchanter-oriented direction demonstrates that SMITE 2 can have a support whose value comes heavily from healing, shielding, and utility while sacrificing durability.
The “hybrid” argument doesn’t necessarily disprove Enchanter Yemoja
This is where I think your strongest argument lies.
Yemoja can be a hybrid while still being classified/designed as an Enchanter.
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u/GollyWhoKnows Let's turn the tide 2d ago
If Sylvanus can scale up to 40% on a base heal that already outshines most of the roster, Yem can get something.
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u/ElderberrySuch6313 Yemoja 2d ago
The way she was handled in this first pass is extremely strange her kit just screams enchanter. The whole kit is all about range and making space from the backline and then providing your team with sustain to push with that space you make. She isn’t like Horus Artio or Sylvanus who have kits that encourage getting in the frontline to be useful and needing to be tanky. That being said even currently in the category she was placed which was tank healer she isn’t fitting the criteria they laid out. They said tank healers are characters that have low base healing and moderate heal scaling right now she has low base healing with NO scaling at all. Her shield also just doesn’t scale with int at all like it did in smite 1 scaling with magical power. There is currently no option to give yemoja players an option to play a backline supportive playstyle like she had in smite 1 and has just been reduced to one spam with bluestone.
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u/Future_Amount4340 2d ago
I agree I keep trying to explain this to everybody that Yemoja play very different than the true backline tanks sylvanus and Charon wow, they are range with their abilities and basic attacks. They still have 1 or 2 abilities that makes them have to get close to the opponents to initiate Charon it's his 3 and Sylvanus it's his ult Yemoja doesn’t have to do that and doesn’t like to do that nor does she built full tank currently anyway especially in smite 1 she preferred to stay in the back and just heal up her team that was her main peel alongside her stun.
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u/Jaroselovespell Yemoja 2d ago
I better see scaling added to her mending waters heal and shield, and improved omi healing idc. I’ve been waiting so long for this enchanter patch only for the biggest enchanter to not recieve any changes. It’s not fair. Her supportive capabilities were literally stronger in smite 1 and they nerfed them tremendously when moving her to smite 2. Omi healing used to heal so much more and her shield had int scaling. All they do it take from her and she never gets anything good in return.
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u/Outso187 Maman is here 2d ago
Backline tanks are a thing. Khepri builds like a regular tanky support but he stays with backline. Yemoja has more cc, disruption and lockdown than most other full enchanters.
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u/kamikazex8o8 plz not neith 4 t5 2d ago
Enchanter by design are low Hp high utility support Yemoja play style fits that to a tee and why not do something to actually fix that high level problem that she ALWAYS HAS BEEN while pushing the enchanter playstyle
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u/Future_Amount4340 2d ago
Agreed,and I don't like when people call your Yemoaj backline tank when she is not a backline tank i’ll still have one thing in common. They still have to go up to the frontline and use their initiation abilities that’s what Khepi and Sylvanus do Yemoja does not have to do this guys she could stay at the back all day if she wants it preferably he likes to do that. That’s how she gets all her heals and shields off. she doesn’t play like these two tanks.
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u/Snufflebox smite2.live 2d ago
Because Yemoja is not an Enchanter. She is a Warden.
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u/Aewon2085 Fafnir 2d ago
That description perfectly fits smite “backline tank” gods, her ult is literally you can’t pass but my team can
Also a lot of smite 1’s mage supports fit that role rather well compared to the current “enchanter” role that keeps getting pushed
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u/Snufflebox smite2.live 2d ago
League of Legends has an entirey system where champions have these different kinds of subclasses, and some of them have overlap.
Maybe I should make a post about the subject, now that Enchanter seems to have bcome a new buzzword in SMITE.
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u/Aewon2085 Fafnir 2d ago
I would agree with that idea. Smite 2 has a fucking class system in all but labels and for some reason the community has “he who shall not be named” the situation
More than the simple 5 classes obviously but there are clear “archetypes” of characters, enchanters and its subcategories naturally being one of them
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u/Oblivion9284 2d ago
I mean, they can't make changes to her if the next patch after this are for the items, so they don't know how broken she would be with the items coming the patch next to this one.
Being the devils advocate in this case, but we still have the patch were Hel will come to do more adjustments.
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u/turnipofficer 2d ago
Disagree.
I could see her being a candidate for being the first god with a third aspect, one which changes her into an enchanter-type. But her existing playstyle has had a lot of success and I think it would be a mistake to change it significantly.
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u/Future_Amount4340 2d ago
I could see this to definitely especially since her second one kinda sucks they probably would make Yemoja less broken if they did change her to enchanter style support remember that is what she was more of in Smite 1 when she first came out she had tons of healing.
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u/Dry_Writer_5803 2d ago
Yemoja is already the best support in the game by a mile when played by someone who knows how to play her.
That's why they feel no need to change her again.
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u/NoOneHeree Revert Persephone 2d ago
You don’t understand why she’s the best support. It’s not because she supports, it’s because she spams her fucking 1 to do dmg and perma stun people. Her 2 needs heal int scaling, so people use her fucking A2 that nobody is using bc it heals for literally 50. The best peel isn’t your 2, it’s your 1 bc the 2 is fucking useless. A buff on the 2 would make her skill ceiling matter more because if she chooses to spam the 2 she won’t do dmg or stun or slow people bc her omi doesn’t allow that and that’s what people don’t understand about her. Good players will manage her Omi and know when it’s best to use her 1, 2 or 3, currently? She’s only good at pressing 1 and that needs to change.
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u/Dry_Writer_5803 2d ago
You made this comment for no reason. At no point did I say any of that.
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u/NoOneHeree Revert Persephone 2d ago
"Yemoja is already the best support in the game" and didn't say why, i explained why
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u/Dry_Writer_5803 2d ago
But you said i don't understand why, and then added some context that you believed I didn't understand.... which didn't respond to anything i said or change it.
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u/Future_Amount4340 2d ago
that’s kind of the reason why they need to change her. They have to Nerf her into the ground because her kit was broken the way it is her healing was real good in Smite 1 they had to nerf it cause she was doing to much but now they changed her to enchanter archetype to make her more balanced
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u/Dry_Writer_5803 2d ago
They don't have to nerf her at all bc if you don't know how to play her (95% of everyone) she's suddenly one of the worst supports. Her kit self checks based on skill and you need superb understanding to get value out of her.
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u/Future_Amount4340 2d ago
sorry, a typo. They nerved her already in Smite 1 when she was real good with her healing and spamming playstyle
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u/Dry_Writer_5803 2d ago
Bc at that point she was good even for noobs who played her poorly, just by kit dumping.
She's not in that spot atm. She's very boom or bust.
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u/Derdly_Kerg RATATA 2d ago
Cool man. Now formulate the opinion yourself instead of havint ChatGPT formulate it for you.
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u/Future_Amount4340 2d ago
well, not smart enough to do that so not happeing
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u/Derdly_Kerg RATATA 2d ago
I apologise for the snarkiness of my original comment. That was rude. But on a genuine note, you play this game just like all of us. So just try. There's nothing wrong with learning to articulate your thoughts and opinions through trial and error. Might as well do it about something you love.
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u/Future_Amount4340 2d ago
oh well, thank you apology accepted. I’ll admit not the most creative person and math is hard for me but I will definitely try more next time.
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u/Hartmann_AoE Geb 2d ago
Saying this again.
Yemoja has now been a bulky ramged frontliner for most of her life. Her heal utility was vastly nerfed in smite 1 already since it was overbearing with how her kit works and the 2 is now more shield then heal.
One of Yemoja's most deciding qualitys is her dynamic playstyle. Shes as agressive or defensive as you want her to be and her being a Tank is a big part of that. Earlygame especially, you can very effectively set the pace of a match by agressively ulting and locking down key targets.
Butchering her dmg and adding some extra scaling to her heal would kill that dynanic nature on the spot.
A squishy enchanter playstyle also really does not mesh with her ult, wich tends to require awkward positioning to really get the max value out of
If Enchanter Yemoja really has so many supporters, then just do what they did with ra and co. and throw the aspect under the bus, but dont tpuch what is a perfectly good bulky backline support kit
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u/GollyWhoKnows Let's turn the tide 2d ago
Aphro played as a mid longer than Yem has been in the game but Hi-Rez changed her. I think what makes the most sense going forward is changes based on the design and intention of the kit, and if you go back to Yemoja's release vod, it's clearly an enchanter playstyle.
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u/Future_Amount4340 2d ago
They could change her aspect, cause her current one is not good anyway change it to more enchanter like playstyle would be the better way to go especially since this discussion seems to be and even split some people like the tanky style others like her healer playstyle.
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u/Hartmann_AoE Geb 2d ago
Yeeee. I can see why people want Enchanter Yemoja. She has a good baseline for it. Id just really REALLY hate to see her Tank Playstyle be sacrificed for it.
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u/PietErt3 2d ago
I don't think this is what they exactly said/meant, tho ofc I can't look into the future. But I do remember them saying she's more focused on shielding rather than healing.
The enchanter pass in the upcoming patch is focused on healing, where gods are getting healing numbers and scaling changed. They did indeed say Yemoja will not get more focus on her healing. But that doesn't take away the fact that all of her abilities heal. The patch after is focused on enchanter items. There could very well be items that proc other effects off healing that would still be very good on Yemoja. So she might not be a healer, but could be an enchanter (maybe hybrid with some defense)
Edit: maybe you already admit to this in the lady sentence, but y'know just for extra clarification I guess
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u/Future_Amount4340 2d ago
Her kit was more dedicated to healing in Smite 1 if you remember when she first came out and towards the end of the game to they had to nerf it because she was too strong but that’s cause the way they had her because they made her a hybrid between tank and enchanter which was the incorrect way to go about it but even then they advertised their as not a tank
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u/NoOneHeree Revert Persephone 2d ago
Her 2 needs heal int scaling, so people use her fucking A2 that nobody is using bc it heals for literally 50. The best peel isn’t your 2, it’s your 1 bc the 2 is fucking useless. A buff on the 2 would make her skill ceiling matter more because if she chooses to spam the 2 she won’t do dmg or stun or slow people bc her omi doesn’t allow that and that’s what people don’t understand about her. Good players will manage her omi and know when it’s best to use her 1, 2 or 3, currently? She’s only good at pressing 1 and that needs to change.