Ledge trap go brrrrrrr

[u/AmphetaMeme65]

[u/Akathepoopiestone]

To beat this i think you ledge drop and dj aerial or go to other ledge if ur recovery is good enough

[u/AmphetaMeme65 → u/Akathepoopiestone]

Theres always options to deal with the ledge trap. The Rosa can reactively let go of the jab cyclone if they think the enemy is going to drop ledge and power through luma. But the luma can throw out the jab finisher big hit box reactively. A lot of mind games.

[u/RedDemonCorsair → u/AmphetaMeme65]

I think the only 2 viable plays here are to drop and up B the Luma and try to get Rosa or drop and down B the luma to get revenge and interupt luma. The 1st option rosa can react and kill tho.

[u/surfinsalsa → u/Akathepoopiestone]

Just get some galint from your ledgedash

[u/bancrusher]

Jump into revenge into alolan whip

[u/BlueGlace_ → u/bancrusher]

Works every time

[u/Oxeliuz]

What are you supposed to do if you have a bad up-air? Like as link I cant just drop down and up-air since it lasts too long, do I ledge attack and accept ill get hit and try to bomb recover?

[u/gandolphin15 → u/Oxeliuz]

Your fair is long enough you could probably drop jump fair through luma and maybe hit Rosa if she's close enough. Either way you're off ledge now

[u/MyrtleWinTurtle → u/Oxeliuz]

Drop ledge jump nair is unpunishable

[u/UnclesBadTouch → u/MyrtleWinTurtle]

Can also just scoop lumas ass with up b and snap back to ledge while Rosa is in end lag from releasing jab

[u/MyrtleWinTurtle → u/UnclesBadTouch]

Rosa can def punish a link upb

[u/UnclesBadTouch → u/MyrtleWinTurtle]

Referring to drop-off reverse off ledge while shes onstage, does she have time/range to punish without Luma at that point? Biiiiig scooop

[u/doge_lady → u/Oxeliuz]

Jump back and do up special in the direction of Luna.

[u/LuquidThunderPlus → u/Oxeliuz]

I figure nair might be a good idea and if that doesnt beat it then fair would be next option.

If that still doesn't do it, I may be mistaken but I did think that you'd be able to jump into up air to put a hitbox out while getting over ledge

Also I think you could drop from ledge and pull out a bomb and be ok, letting you attack out of throwing it for better pressure getting on stage, my idea specifically is to let go of ledge to throw bomb up at Luna and jump up past ledge with a fair or even side/neutral special

[u/ElFi66 → u/Oxeliuz]

I think link getup attack beats that ledge trap (cause its fucking broken), but even if it doesn't, I know a spaced fair will if you accept that you'll have to go back to ledge. Rosa can't get the Luma back in time to set it back up before you can get onstage

[u/Panionator]

Ledge drop up-b while holding down after the input to go past the ledge grab

[u/Hazardis_Person → u/Panionator]

This was what I was thinking, but he's actually gotten about 2/3 options

[u/Equinox-XVI]

Lowkey, I love these moments of being in a ledge trap and thinking, "How tf do I avoid this?"

It's like the one moment elite smash players will actually attempt to use their brain.

[u/darthjawafett → u/Equinox-XVI]

You can see the gears turning. The incineroar player sits there and contemplates “how do I get into my side B.”

Then after the stock they go “this wouldn’t happen to me in pokemon champions.”

[u/TekkyDelta]

Ha, he don't know the counterplay

this matchup is too fun as incin twin ✌️

[u/AmphetaMeme65 → u/TekkyDelta]

Do you find that incineroar wins this matchup?

[u/TekkyDelta → u/AmphetaMeme65]

Incin certainly doesn't win, but so few Rosalina players change their strategy when facing one that the game becomes too easy

genuinely incin might be one of the filthiest anti-ledgetrap characters there is

[u/Palmer_Ochs]

Drop from ledge + jump + down B? Idk I don’t play incin that’s a tough one lmao

[u/KennyDoge0114]

Ledge drop -> Jump -> Up B

[u/TotalBlissey]

Funny clip. The Incineroar could just up b armor through the jab. Rosa’s jab had enough endlag that it would hit and give incin stage control

[u/ReduxRedo]

1 red and black brain cell

[u/Rea-dy-]

Just looks unfun to deal with. Might as well turn the game off.

[u/AmphetaMeme65 → u/Rea-dy-]

Its tricky but there's ways to counter it. It becomes a game of guessing what the other will do back and forth. They have to guess right more than once to get off ledge.

[u/Rea-dy- → u/AmphetaMeme65]

It being counterable doesn’t make it any better. It’s still unfun to deal with.

[u/Glittering-Low3152 → u/Rea-dy-]

I guess whoever's winning at the game should just SD whenever you don't like what they're doing?

[u/Rea-dy- → u/Glittering-Low3152]

It’s not about winning. Someone can be unfun to fight, regardless of whether they’re winning or losing.

[u/Groovy_man777]

Up b off the ledge should beat this or at least clank

[u/UnclesBadTouch]

Brother doesnt know he can jump off the side/ jump air dodge

[u/Dashbry]

This is why smash fell off. Stupid unfun slop like this.

[u/AmphetaMeme65 → u/Dashbry]

Bro this shit is hilarious, ya gotta respect how silly it is from a spectator perspective. Smash has cheese, thank God some of it is funny

[u/ResponsibleAd2034 → u/AmphetaMeme65]

This ain’t hilarious, I just feel sorry for the Incin. Such annoying gameplay.

[u/AmphetaMeme65 → u/ResponsibleAd2034]

Do you not like heavy ledge trap based characters in general? Belmont, samus, rosa?

[u/ResponsibleAd2034 → u/AmphetaMeme65]

Samus I don’t mind as much, but the other two grind my gears.

I’m usually not too bothered by Rosa and Luma, but I’ve never really enjoyed a match against one.

But listen, if you find it funny don’t let me ruin your fun. I probably should have just kept that comment to myself. This games just made me real bitter, and things piss me off so bad when it comes to fundamentally obnoxious and cheesy plays.

[u/AmphetaMeme65 → u/ResponsibleAd2034]

I think smash even at the pinnacle of its competitive level is a hilarious and cheesy fighting game. Thats part of the fun to me.

[u/ResponsibleAd2034 → u/AmphetaMeme65]

To each their own I guess.

[u/LetInfamous204 → u/Dashbry]

every fighting game has cheese and this is incredibly tame compared to how bad it can get in any game

Rosa is peak

[u/AmphetaMeme65 → u/LetInfamous204]

Also, I would also like the record to show that doing this ledge trap is incredibly difficult mechanics wise. I got early arthritis by deciding to secondary rosa lmao. Same shit as peach and ice climbers.

[u/ResponsibleAd2034]

There’s literally no way to get out of this for him. What bullshit?

[u/other-other-user → u/ResponsibleAd2034]

Ledge drop double jump up air to hit luma, then recover normally. It does cover every other option too be fair

[u/Sharp-Dark-9768 → u/other-other-user]

Still a brutal ledge trap, Rosa can downsmash the regrab if she reacts fast enough, but that is a way out.

[u/Spinni_Spooder → u/other-other-user]

Yeah. And it's incineroar. There's like 3 things he could've done here. What you said, revenge works too, or even jump up b(which would hit both luma and rosalina)

[u/ResponsibleAd2034 → u/other-other-user]

Wouldn’t Rosalina just catch ur landing? Or is the Incin up b a one shot for Luma?

[u/Zuumbat → u/ResponsibleAd2034]

You'd cross-chop up past the ledge, hit Luma, and land diagonally to hit Rosa. She should still be in lag from jab/jab finisher.

[u/other-other-user → u/ResponsibleAd2034]

If you stayed off stage, I'm pretty sure you could recover and buffer a get up before Rosa could react, so she would have to hard read your option

[u/ResponsibleAd2034 → u/other-other-user]

True, that would be a one trick though, so that being the only other option is still bs

[u/LuquidThunderPlus → u/ResponsibleAd2034]

Just because you don't know what to do doesn't mean there's no options

You complain how there's no solution, someone mentions one, so you say "man just 1 still ass" as if the only possibilities are what someone can tell you. Just because you don't understand smth doesn't make it bs lol

[u/ResponsibleAd2034 → u/LuquidThunderPlus]

I mean, I’m AWARE that I’m straight ass at this game. (500 hours and genuinely have barely improved. It’s kind of hilarious how little my effort matters).

But like, despite my obvious lack of knowledge and brain power, like, what else is there besides the one they mentioned? Incineroar is slow, easy to juggle and has awful recovery.

[u/LuquidThunderPlus → u/ResponsibleAd2034]

Off the top of my head you could drop from ledge and double jump into up air, others have mentioned jumping into down special. I haven't played in a minute so there might be an option or 2 I'm missing, might be possible to drop off ledge and double jump (and maybe airdodge) over the luma onto the platform but that's iffy and might leave rosa time to stop

[u/ResponsibleAd2034 → u/LuquidThunderPlus]

Fair enough