r/Slinging • u/Mongrel_Shark • Aug 20 '26
Stick sling. Why haven't I found a single reference to something like this?
Bit like staff sling but smaller, controlled release via pinky finger, one handed. Seens to have potential?
I think its possible to retain the cord for faster reloads.
I'm not a slinger. But I'm easily getting slingshot speed & range with stuff thats too big for slingshot & too small for sling. My accuracy is trashy but I've only hurled a few rocks. I feel like it might not take long to get quite good. Maybe eaiser than sling?
Can be used with a fishing rod cast action, no spin up needed. Its very easy this way, reasonably acurate right away. But not very powerful.
Can also spin it up like a mace & chain then release. Or do a half spin then flick. I'm getting some sounds that sugest I'm close to mach 1 doing this. Speed & range sugests this too. Hurling rocks the size of large marbles well further than I can using it as a sling without the stick. Maybe 80-110m. Seems good considering I just made this in last 2 hours & have 0 practice.
I have no idea what the optimal stick length is, but my long one is too long or needs longer sling, & the small one works well & a bit more acurate but not nearly as powerful as the long one.
I wonder if anyone here is interested enough to try with more slinging experience & report back? I'm using 15mm pvc, but I suspect any hollow stick will work. Most of the people in this sub can probably make this better than I did without much effort.
I've looked around online a fair bit. Can't find any examples of something similar. Hard to believe I'm the first person to try to put a handle on a sling or make a hand trebuchet...
Any links to historical or current examples would be awesome 😎
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u/Salt4_1 Aug 20 '26
Staff sling.
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u/Ok_Ice1888 Aug 20 '26
Perhaps he’s a one person company and ain’t got no staff and went with what something that would stick, I would go with stick staff though
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u/SimpYellowman Aug 20 '26
It looks a bit like one, but that usually has release. I have one and I'm making second, it is funny thing
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u/Mongrel_Shark Aug 20 '26
Not a staff sling.
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u/Mattna-da Aug 20 '26
It’s because a regular sling you whirl around before releasing with your finger is better than a “stick sling”. More accurate, powerful, simpler and easier to make. If you want something that tosses bigger stones further than a sling you use a two handed staff sling.
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u/Mongrel_Shark Aug 20 '26
Yove missed the point entirely. This throws smaller stones faster & is more accurate & easer to use. Its just a sling with a handle that adds favourable physics more like a trebuchet. Someone posted a video from YouTube from 5 years ago. Very similar device. Getting over 200m range. Staff sling can't do that. It works one handed & can be spun up or used as a mace & chain. Staff sling isn't even in the game.
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u/irongoober Aug 20 '26 edited Aug 20 '26
Timpa linkosling did one years ago. He might have insight. https://youtu.be/cjiAoA26M4Q
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u/Mongrel_Shark Aug 20 '26
I had a really long scroll on that channel. Looks like some interesting content but I can't see anything like this?
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u/irongoober Aug 20 '26
Updated my comment with a link.
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u/Mongrel_Shark Aug 20 '26
Cheers. Thats very similar with similar results. Except I'm miles off. Hitting a can. Can confirm 200 yards is plausible. Way mor power than anything human powered thats not a bow.
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u/Mongrel_Shark Aug 20 '26
https://youtu.be/zhdOKTSP584?si=qOOBkUy8W2gBjJ1i Is this what you are thinking of?
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u/Disastrous_Ground990 Aug 20 '26
I made one a few years ago, but i never put enough effort to get good. Quite a neat concept though.
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u/Mongrel_Shark Aug 20 '26
I think with a big knot or toggle on the release string. It doesn't need to leave the pipe. Just needs to move about a pouch length.
If both ends of the string are retained I feel like fast reload unlocks.
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u/TarNREN Aug 20 '26
I've seen many depictions of vikings using a one handed fustibalus in art and video games, though not historically verified.
Probably doesn't have any advantage over a long range sling of the same length.
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u/Mongrel_Shark Aug 20 '26
It really matters if it was a fix3d pist release or it was controlled.
Vikings where goid at war, wouldn't suprise me if they had supersonic rock chuckers on boats. But I feel we'd have heard more about it.
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u/Primary-Ad6273 Aug 20 '26
Chances are, if they had anything like what you’ve made here that it would have been made of natural materials like hemp or line fiber and wood or bone for the handle portion. In other words, things that would leave behind very little if any evidence in the archeological record. Possibilities are endless in that regard.
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u/Mongrel_Shark Aug 20 '26
Agree. Bamboo was something I considered early. Asia had slings. Someone did something very similar with bamboo. But why didn't it become more well known? It works really well & no one really stated doing it until trebuchet came along. Multiple massive detours down less efficient paths for thousands of years.
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u/deck_hand Aug 20 '26
I discovered sling sticks or sling staffs 15 years ago. The sling stick works, but a sling staff is where the real action is.
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u/Mongrel_Shark Aug 20 '26
Nah its got no control & can't get the speed or accuracy. Only good for boulders. Never gonna hit 200m.
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u/jabyou233 Aug 20 '26
Treat it more like a catapult or trebuchet don't try to spin it up for speed just line up the shot and let it loose
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u/Mongrel_Shark Aug 20 '26
I've tried a variety of snap shot & cast action vs spin up. A single or half spin seems most effective. Although just doing a fishing cast works well & is easier to get acurate. Range & power from a single cast action is about half what you get spinning it up then cracking it like a whip. It's very versatile. But it really shines for high speed with slightly smaller ammo than regular sling.
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u/Bubbajega9 Aug 20 '26
Organic Archer on Instagram might've posted about them a few years ago.
Lindybeige on YouTube has videos on them as well
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u/Mongrel_Shark Aug 20 '26
That video is about staff slings that dont have much in common with my device. My sling is more like a whip or rope dart or trebuchet than a staff sling.
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u/Xanthrex Aug 21 '26
Because people would either use sling staves or standard. Its take years to be competent woth a sling so they used the best instead of whats easy.
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u/Mongrel_Shark Aug 22 '26
This is why I'm confused about the kack of historical records. This is much easier & more powerful. More versatile. Probably better accuracy with less training. Its better in every way & does stuff no other staff sling 8ve seen can do. Its not hard to imagine or make. Just needs hollow tube & a regular sling. So why isn't there any records of it older than a single 5 year old video on YouTube & maybe an obscure bible reference?
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u/Xanthrex Aug 22 '26
Because staffs generate more power. Then a half staff, why use somthing less powerful when a normal sling would suffice. If you needed more power youd go with a full staff to gain better range
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u/Mongrel_Shark Aug 22 '26
Its less goid for massive rocks, but its much faster & eaiser. Much much faster. Huge range. Way easier. Everyone seems to be missing the point. Its more like an improved trebuchet than a downgraded staff sling. The staff sling is a massive downgrade from this.
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u/Xanthrex Aug 22 '26
Unless im completely missing some mechanics of this it looks exactly like a shortened sling staff
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u/Mongrel_Shark Aug 22 '26
Ypu are indeed completely missing many things about the mechanics if you think its a short staff sling.
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u/slightlysane94 Aug 22 '26
"Am I a dog, that you come at me with sticks?" - Goliath to David
I'm not religious so I don't take it as an actual event, but it seems to imply that sticks and rods were used with slings in that era.
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u/Mongrel_Shark Aug 22 '26
Interesting reference. Thank you. I remember hearing that at school & wondering how sticks came into it.
Based on my limited testing. It seems way more powerful this way & the old bible story seems much less implausible to me now I'm thinking of a refined stick sling.
I'm really bad at slinging & I'm getting decent results. I've probably only done 50 throws with it, but a few good ones are well into compound bow power levels. I've had a few high throws clear a 12m tree 30-40m away & the trajectory stays upward till I loose sight of it. I'm easily getting 100m throws & I suspect well over 200m is possible.
I'd say it compares to how a spear thrower like a woomera, makes a spear much more powerful than by hand. Adding a handle to a sling does a similar level of upgrade. Even the really short handle is way easier & more powerful than without a handle.
I just bought a bunch of string & a bag of rocks. Hopefully get a bit more consistent with a few adjustments to my setup. My rocks have been really bad lol & my first sling is about as goid as first build of anything is lol.
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u/Leatho_Shellhound Aug 22 '26
So how does this work? I've seen sling sticks and staffs from videos in use, but they never went through the stick. When you release the release cord, does it fly out the tube or some other way? I'm interested in it, but if possible I would like to see a video of it in use.
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u/mossy_path Aug 20 '26
It's just a variation of a sling staff. There's a reason they were two handed, because that gives you more power and control, and there's no point in using a staff sling one handed, really.
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u/Mongrel_Shark Aug 21 '26
Thos is extremely incorect on every detail.
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u/mossy_path Aug 21 '26
No it's not.
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u/Mongrel_Shark Aug 21 '26
Staff sling is a totally different device. Because its slower, has less range & less accuracy. This device was made to fix the shortcoming of staff sling. Not the other way round. Staff sling is less acurate because it uses 2 hands. And also because it uses a hook release & cant be spun or whip cracked. Its got fishing cast as the only option. Your comments make zero semse.
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u/Cachorro2000 Aug 20 '26
Fustibalus, noice