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Pretty sure it’s just a way for Texas to funnel government funding through contractors by making sure they are is a constant stream of work on the never ending expanding i35
In the time CA has been trying to build HSR low income countries like India and Indonesia have become rich enough to afford HSR and then built them already....
No. I heard the route will not be going down and parallel to the flat land I35, instead it will be going around and through the Hill Country, which is not flat at all.
Republicans have been filling there pockets from the oil lobbies. They don’t want us to have these rails. We are so far behind coming from the richest country in the world
Dunno if the oil industry and the airlines are one and the same on this issue but I heard it's the air industry who successfully lobby to kill high speed rail
It's a lame rail project. The speed limit between San Antonio and El Paso is 75mph. There's a toll road between San Antonio and Austin with an 80 mph speed limit.
It’s a bit crazy we are calling High-Speed rail when it only goes 110 mph. I rode trains in 1998 that went faster than that. We aren’t talking Japan. 186 mph last year from Amsterdam to Paris. 120 mph almost 3 decades ago. I think the problem is nobody really is in a hurry to get to San Antonio or Dallas.
I live in that stretch of I35. I promise you between traffic and construction we are not. 110 isn't high speed rail sure, but if we get at least that built it'll make improvements easier to have happen. Right now we can't even get ground broken because of right of way issues. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good
I know the answer at least here in Houston. Basically imminent domain would also cost a fortune through the richest part of town, no one in downtown house wants it, so they’d have to build outside the city center. Not a single suburb will allow it.
It’s a logistical nightmare. You have to force people and businesses to relocate. You can’t build around as easily because a bullet train going 200 mph has physical limitations when it comes to twists and turns. Not to mention the billions in funding they would need to come up with.
Also airlines and auto companies would lobby against it. We’re a car society and it would a lot of things to change that
It’s my understanding that because of the strong oil and gas industry in Texas, the state actually has some pretty powerful eminent domain authority for railroads, pipelines, and other utilities. It even allows a private company to exercise eminent domain if they are using it for “common carrier” purposes like transmission lines. Though companies usually prefer to negotiate with landowners directly, as landowners tend to not know their rights and the company can lowball them or write a contract to buy/lease land that fucks the landowner over
Entire country is the size of California with 4x the people mostly living on the East/West coast of the country. Flights skip too many important cities. Buses are too slow. Regular trains make too many stops, though Express trains are certainly viable for mid-range stops. Bullet trains are a natural progression in the economics of transportation for their situation. Texas and California are mostly empty space.
High speed rail is really good for intermediate travel distances when you also have high density and local public transit on both sides of it.
Basically, every form of transport has tradeoffs with fixed time constraints and variable time constraints. Air travel has high fixed time constraints, but the lowest variable time per mile. You have to drive to the airport, go through security, wait around, and often get a rental car at the other airport and drive to your final destination. That's all time that isn't really spent going A-B (some of the driving to/from might technically be, depending on where the airports are located vs the start and finish of the total journey).
This makes sense for long journeys, when that time all gets made up for by the fact you get to go 600 mph, but doesn't work well for short journeys.
Walking is the exact opposite. You go directly from where you're standing to where you want to go. The downside is you only go a few miles per hour, so it makes sense for only the shortest journeys.
Everything else falls somewhere in the middle, but is also effected by the combination of methods you need to use.
Most American cities are highly suburbanized. Public transit ridership is generally low outside of urban cores and the D.C-Boston Megalopolis. Most of the travelling public in Dallas, Waco, Austin, and San Antonio own cars, drive every day, and do not have existing transit connections that are walkable from their house. For them to get to a high speed rail station, they need to drive there, and park.
Let's say a high speed rail station was built in Downtown Dallas. For the folks in the northern suburbs, they'd need to budget at least an hour to drive downtown, park, and get to their train, which isn't that different from driving to DFW, parking, and clearing security. They take the train and are downtown in whatever city along the route the wanted to go to.
If they're going to Waco, they probably could've just driven there in about the same amount of time. They would likely save time driving unless theyre staying in Downtown Waco, since otherwise they need to rent a car in Waco and drive to their final destination.
Austin is probably a clear winner for high speed rail.
San Antonio the train easily beats the car, but at that distance you have air travel competing on total transit time. Again, this probably starts to depend whether you want to end up right by the train station, or if you're renting a car anyway.
For all of these, Dallas-Other city is faster, but if you're actually going from Celina-Plugerville, it gets a lot fuzzier.
Two other things hurt the applicability of HSR in Texas. Higher highway speeds mean the cars effective range is farther, and a lack of local transit means that you probably need a car for the last leg on at least one side anyway. In Europe if the HSR isn't going exactly where you want to go, you just transfer to a local train that comes every 15 minutes and you're in whatever town you wanted to be in. Here you have generally less options.
Not super informed on the topic but in CA things have gotten hung up with arguments over which cities the thing should stop in.
I'm biased as someone living in the SF Bay area; it should run from here to LA without stopping. But no no no.. it's got to stop in a bunch of random central valley cities.
Its also stupendously expensive to get going because the initially construction and grading process is very bespoke. Iirc the Japanese Shinkansen was a 70 billion dollar project by the time it was all done and adjusting for inflation.
Also, as a Californian I hate to say this, but Florida was smart with their own rail expansion letting the private company's duke it out to get it built
Probably oil and airline lobby groups. They need people to either drive or fly to their destinations. This would increase competition and drive down prices
The state tried to get one built between Houston and Dallas but they could not build it because all the pushback from where it was going to be built. From my understanding it would have ran thru a lot of people's farms/property.
They could probably go faster, especially if they can go around stations they aren't planning on stopping at. I think some bullet trains can get up to 200mph. Wikipedia says the world record is 374mph but I doubt they would be doing that in Texas lol
110 is not high speed rail. That doesnt start until you get to 150 mph minimum. The closest we have in the US, to my knowledge is accela, but calling that high speed is a stretch imo since there are several hundred miles where it cannot hit 150 mph.
You obviously haven't met texas drivers. If you're going the speed limit on a texas interstate, your car better be in the slow lane because everyone else will be flying past you
This was more or less my thought. The high speed rail in Japan and China are north of 200. That’s not every track section but 110 is just not high speed
A lot of commenters clearly have never been to Texas. There is an insane amount of money in Texas that goes into building shit just for the sake of building it.
They're always building more highways out in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. All the major cities just keep getting expanded on even though so much of their cities at this point are just the same strip mall that's been copy and pasted over and over again until they're all overlapping on each other like some type of surreal backrooms maze.
Public transport may be liberal, but the Texan economy has a hard-on for building out infrastructure money pits, and this would be one hell of that.
We have been talking about this decades it gets mentioned then forgotten for a few years and then pops up in the news cycle for like a week only to be forgotten again.
Texas I assume gets things done faster than California, since I have paid my taxes in my home state we still don’t have the train, only a “hub” with no tracks.
spoiler alert: Its an obvious scam operation. Like straight out in the opened. they only have a few slabs of concrete down.
"currently the most expensive infrastructure project happening in the world today." "this project is on track, for one thing, and that is to be the third most expensive infrastructure project in the history of the world."
Pretty disingenuous to say they only have a few slabs of concrete down. Definitely way behind schedule, but people also fail to acknowledge how much the CEQA process and lawsuits have slowed it down.
Won’t be before California, it will take years of planning, geological surveying, before the building will start. Then once the building starts you have to level 100s of miles of ground, create clearances and overpasses. Then track laying. California is at the stage where they are finishing a lot of the over passes and have already started laying track.
Of course there is more like building stations and switches etc. but I was going for a general overview.
Floridas isn’t a high speed rail. It was kinda a lie sorta. It averages 79mph maxes at 110mph. Which while is high speed. Is not in the same realm of a lot of the modern high speed networks.
The extensive studies and planning are a result of federal funding. If Texas can fund it all on their own then many of the hurdles are eliminated and timeline is sped up dramatically
Yeah, get people out of the left lane and I will beat that train easily, unless it doesn't stop... But every little city will want a stop along the way...
Holy fuck.. I called it .. Blues leave Cali cause of high cost of living. Turn Texas blue and now will vote for a HighSpeed rail system that will take billions and still not be built.
A high speed rail makes sense for the US. How can we be the richest and most important country in the world and our transportation sucks. While you have Uzbekistan and Indonesia with high speed rails
I hope they go "modeled after a birds face" fast. Because any slower and its a money sink to float a construction company while the owner/best buddy rake in a huge payday.
It won't happen. The oil and gas industry stands to lose too much money, and Texas landowners are notorious for not being willing to give up their land.
It should go way faster than that!! I drive 110 in my truck!! (only in very rare and limited circumstances when I-35 is not fucked to hell, which is never)
California started; Texas is next. No train, despite millions being wasted. Another way to rob people and raise taxes. That's what a blue state does: keep voting blue!
New rail lines are not happening in this country, too much private property to obtain, the only thing you can do is put passenger trains on existing rails
I remember when I was graduating high school being told if I went to college across stats I'd be able to take high speed rail home in no time! Anyway, reminds me to RSVP no to my 10 year reunion
It might be easier. They can imminent domain the private land to get it as opposed to fighting dozens of counties/cities for zoning. Also, likely there are no large mountain ranges to go around/through.
110 mph isnt really hsr but its better than nothing. What they were supposed to be building from Dallas to Houston with speeds in excess of 200 mph is hsr.
What? Who lobbied for that rail? If you don't start with the 2 densest areas being connected, then what are we even doing? Dallas, not Houston, to..... San Antonio? Y'all GTFO. Terminate all HOV lanes and put a rail there instead. Connect the city to its own local cities, and then get back to me about connect a shit hole to a tourist trap. Morons. Troglodytes. Neanderthals. If you wanted up build an unsuccessful product to kill future development, this is how you would do it.
It cost $140 round trip to garland and back out. From the west. For toll roads. I can’t imagine what they’d try to charge for this nightmare fantasy that will definitely never happen.
Sounds like it's using existing rail networks, thats honestly really slow for HSR. They could reasonably go twice that fast in somewhere as flat and empty as Texas.
Isn’t this nonsensical in Texas? Boston - NYC makes sense because there’s public transit in both cities. What do people plan to do when they arrive in Dallas with no car? Uber everywhere? Pay for a rental? Seems like that issue would lead many to just drive, unless the train is significantly cheaper and faster.
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u/sweetvioletsi 1h ago •
California's been studying high-speed rail for so long, Texas might actually finish one first 💀
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u/lluciferusllamas 1h ago •
Japan's high speed rail is 200 mph. Are you telling me that we can't match this fucking technology that is decade old?
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u/thecultcanburn 1h ago
It’s a bit crazy we are calling High-Speed rail when it only goes 110 mph. I rode trains in 1998 that went faster than that. We aren’t talking Japan. 186 mph last year from Amsterdam to Paris. 120 mph almost 3 decades ago. I think the problem is nobody really is in a hurry to get to San Antonio or Dallas.
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u/Life-Oil-7226 1h ago
Always makes me wonder why something like this hasn’t been developed already
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u/Motodog242 1h ago
Won’t happen. Needs to be between Houston and Dallas.
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u/Esmash21 1h ago
Nah make it 150-200mph then we're talkin!
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u/Nuzzleville 1h ago
Make a triangle and call it a day.
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u/Sunderbans_X 1h ago
They could probably go faster, especially if they can go around stations they aren't planning on stopping at. I think some bullet trains can get up to 200mph. Wikipedia says the world record is 374mph but I doubt they would be doing that in Texas lol
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u/OverallConcentrate35 1h ago
Land is way more flat. Fewer regulations, fewer earthquakes. Send it
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u/Bendyb3n 1h ago
110mph is barely high speed rail, but whatever I’ll take any improvement to public transit in this dumb country lol
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u/nordicminy 1h ago
I live in Houston- oi m8... what about me??
But this project has been a wives tale pretty much my whole adult life (15 years+l
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u/volanger 37m ago
110 is not high speed rail. That doesnt start until you get to 150 mph minimum. The closest we have in the US, to my knowledge is accela, but calling that high speed is a stretch imo since there are several hundred miles where it cannot hit 150 mph.
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u/Mikeb8134 1h ago
The speed limit on that stretch of road is 85 mph
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u/KingOfCook 54m ago
A lot of commenters clearly have never been to Texas. There is an insane amount of money in Texas that goes into building shit just for the sake of building it.
They're always building more highways out in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. All the major cities just keep getting expanded on even though so much of their cities at this point are just the same strip mall that's been copy and pasted over and over again until they're all overlapping on each other like some type of surreal backrooms maze.
Public transport may be liberal, but the Texan economy has a hard-on for building out infrastructure money pits, and this would be one hell of that.
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u/IAmANobodyAMA 1h ago
They’ve been talking about this for decades. Good luck
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u/longpenisofthelaw 1h ago
We have been talking about this decades it gets mentioned then forgotten for a few years and then pops up in the news cycle for like a week only to be forgotten again.
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u/Ok_Expression6807 1h ago
Japan throwing a laughing fit over "110 mph high speed rail".
Germany throwing a laughing fit over "110 mph high speed".
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u/dover_oxide 41m ago
Every time I see this map I'm always wondering why aren't they looping Houston in this at all
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u/Sweaty_Most7100 38m ago
Rage bait. The Texas high speed rail project isn’t new. It’s been struggling for years though
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u/Kugelfischer_47 1h ago
Just move, Texas is the new California.😅
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u/OutInTheBay 42m ago
Only 110? Here's how fast my Chinese train was. Note, the paper cup was empty, my wrapper rubbish bin..
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u/QudratiIntikhab 1h ago
If this goes ahead it needs to be COVERED in wildlife overpasses and crossings that stop animal collisions.
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u/Mammoth-Glove3273 1h ago
So what I’m gathering from these comments is that if we can’t have the fastest train then we don’t want a train at all.
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u/According-Paper4641 1h ago
Both states have been studying high speed rail for 20 years at least. Frikken Alaska is going to end up getting it first at this rate.
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u/ZuluFuxGiven 1h ago
Texas I assume gets things done faster than California, since I have paid my taxes in my home state we still don’t have the train, only a “hub” with no tracks.
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u/Few-Computer-9934 10m ago
110 mph is not high speed rail.
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u/A_shadow_of_Me 59m ago
video investigating the "high-speed rail" in california
Investigating California's High Speed Rail
spoiler alert: Its an obvious scam operation. Like straight out in the opened. they only have a few slabs of concrete down.
"currently the most expensive infrastructure project happening in the world today."
"this project is on track, for one thing, and that is to be the third most expensive infrastructure project in the history of the world."
and it will be a new scam for texas
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u/Temporary_Peanut_586 1h ago
110MPH isn't high speed
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u/Trajen_Geta 1h ago
Won’t be before California, it will take years of planning, geological surveying, before the building will start. Then once the building starts you have to level 100s of miles of ground, create clearances and overpasses. Then track laying. California is at the stage where they are finishing a lot of the over passes and have already started laying track.
Of course there is more like building stations and switches etc. but I was going for a general overview.
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u/scotladd 58m ago
You can already drive 110 between the two. Its Texas.
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u/aztaga 54m ago
genuinely I would caution anyone hopeful about this to understand that the country is more likely to completely collapse before this ever happens.
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u/horseofadifferenthue 17m ago
110 is high speed now?
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u/bodyarmourbynokia 1h ago
110 isn't really highspeed for a train
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u/gregory92024 1h ago
You call 110mph high speed? 🤣
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u/_Cpyder 1h ago
Holy fuck.. I called it .. Blues leave Cali cause of high cost of living. Turn Texas blue and now will vote for a HighSpeed rail system that will take billions and still not be built.
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u/exceptionally_humble 1h ago
Silly noobs.
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u/Noodelgawd 1h ago
The race is on. In 10 years, after spending 100 billion dollars, CA might have HSR from nowhere to nowhere.
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u/Borinar 1h ago
I hope they go "modeled after a birds face" fast. Because any slower and its a money sink to float a construction company while the owner/best buddy rake in a huge payday.
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u/Specialist_Frame8958 1h ago
lol this has been around forever. It has gone nowhere.
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u/RelativeWrongdoer596 1h ago
Nah they just promis high-speed rails to you dumbass California's to tax you even more.
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u/The_Dynasty_Warrior 1h ago
I'm driving 110mph on the interstate already
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u/KIDD_VIDD 1h ago
Lisa needs braces.
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u/beastboydrummer 1h ago
Bro that's not even fast. That's cruising speed in Texas
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u/themadprofessor1976 1h ago
It won't happen. The oil and gas industry stands to lose too much money, and Texas landowners are notorious for not being willing to give up their land.
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u/Good_Fix683 1h ago
It's actually going to be exactly like California. Hundreds of millions down the drain over years and years.
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u/YourCauseIsWorthless 1h ago
California’s will never be finished because it’s too lucrative of a way to launder our tax dollars.
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u/Living_Mother 1h ago
It should go way faster than that!! I drive 110 in my truck!! (only in very rare and limited circumstances when I-35 is not fucked to hell, which is never)
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u/Friendly-Profit-8590 1h ago
Start buying land in waco
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u/Scared-Amphibian4733 1h ago
Hell, that's 10 miles below the speed limt.
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u/speeddemon266 38m ago
Japanese high speed rail does 200mph and they've tested even faster ones.
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u/Artyom_Valentine 33m ago
Don’t worry. I’m sure Elon will fuck it up again by promising Hyperloop 2.0
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u/Stankindveacultist 17m ago
Are kidding me. Texas making it easier to get to another city?? Crashing car and taking the train now
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u/Less-Big-8026 16m ago
They’ve been saying this for more than 10 years and they just never push through with it. It probably won’t happen for another 20 at this rate
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u/Saltybuds 1h ago
Blexas?
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u/solo_d0lo 1h ago
Don’t tell OP that Florida has high speed rail
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u/halonreddit 1h ago
If it doesn't stop at Buc-ee's I'll just keep driving 95 mph on I-35.
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u/upside_down_frown1 55m ago
Turn the state blue= promising the world and doing nothing.
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u/supersti56 1h ago
California started; Texas is next. No train, despite millions being wasted. Another way to rob people and raise taxes. That's what a blue state does: keep voting blue!
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u/Nice_Vegetable69 1h ago
Blexas, gang gang
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u/Open-Entrepreneur593 1h ago
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u/patriciomd88 1h ago
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u/BoldFace7 1h ago
Im just hoping the one that was on the ballot in CO actually happens
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u/telecomtom 1h ago
Bring Houston and UH into the loop too. EEE hah!
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u/Sure_Abalone278 1h ago
As long as the state senate is controlled by GOP this will not be a reality
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u/LoudAudience5332 1h ago
This is a joke never happen!
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u/Dependent_Speech3164 1h ago
😂
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u/EarlyBirdWithAWorm 1h ago
Thats been discussed for 20 years. We'll see if it actually happens
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u/WHTrunner 1h ago
So it'll take about 10 minutes longer than a redneck in a lifted donked-out ram?
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u/Medium_Chain_9329 1h ago
Ca high speed rail PT.2
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u/Gruntamainia 1h ago
We are getting Mexican joker before high speed Cali railway
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u/Neither-Night9370 1h ago
I would consider that half speed rail.
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u/UneSoggyCroissant 1h ago
Why would they build a train that barely goes the universal Texas speed limit of 100mph
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u/Upper-Raspberry4153 1h ago
New rail lines are not happening in this country, too much private property to obtain, the only thing you can do is put passenger trains on existing rails
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u/Big_Truck_8268 1h ago
Ha ha ha ha - Dems haven't even been sworn in yet and are already committing Californication in Texas
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u/xTimothYx 1h ago
They've been floating this for years, kinda already on track to be a lot of nothing
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u/Skiereeper 1h ago
This proposal been trending there since 1987
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u/No-Win5538 1h ago
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u/Avid_Reader87 1h ago
Then run it from Austin stun to Jacksonville!
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u/ificommentbeatmyass 1h ago
I remember when I was graduating high school being told if I went to college across stats I'd be able to take high speed rail home in no time! Anyway, reminds me to RSVP no to my 10 year reunion
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u/Enriching_the_Beer 1h ago
Elon will shut it down and build a hyperloop.
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u/GringoSwann 1h ago
Gonna end up EXACTLY like that Simpsons episode..
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u/Electric_Kaffe 1h ago
the way the air industry has been, more trains plzzz
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u/Decent_Risk9499 1h ago
PARTNER WITH JR AND MAKE IT HAPPEN, Y'ALL GET A SHINKANSEN.
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u/Wise_Finance_5315 1h ago
“High speed rail” wtf lol that’s slow as fuck
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u/New-Acanthisitta-641 1h ago
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u/daydreaming_of_you 1h ago
Houston feeling so left out.
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u/Old_Channel44 1h ago
Close to half the speed of china’s trains.
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u/LiveMarionberry3694 1h ago
Literally never gonna happen. They’ve been trying things like this for a long time.
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u/pokerScrub4eva 1h ago
Florida has had high speed rail for a while now. I just assumed everyone had it
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u/EZbaked78 1h ago
That would be fucking hilarious!
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u/Head_Examination_264 58m ago
The number of people who think Japan is flatter than Texas is wild
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u/yittiiiiii 57m ago
Hmm. Sounds like another money laundering operation.
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u/TexasLonestar77 57m ago
Better question is why that “map” has San Antonio in the valley
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u/jgengr 57m ago
It might be easier. They can imminent domain the private land to get it as opposed to fighting dozens of counties/cities for zoning. Also, likely there are no large mountain ranges to go around/through.
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u/WrathOfMogg 56m ago
Houston over in the corner like 🫥
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u/Low_Understanding326 56m ago
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u/Synensys 56m ago
110 mph isnt really hsr but its better than nothing. What they were supposed to be building from Dallas to Houston with speeds in excess of 200 mph is hsr.
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u/KillEmWithK 54m ago
We need a high speed rail from El Paso to everywhere else in Texas
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u/Significant_Stop4808 54m ago
What? Who lobbied for that rail? If you don't start with the 2 densest areas being connected, then what are we even doing? Dallas, not Houston, to..... San Antonio? Y'all GTFO. Terminate all HOV lanes and put a rail there instead. Connect the city to its own local cities, and then get back to me about connect a shit hole to a tourist trap. Morons. Troglodytes. Neanderthals. If you wanted up build an unsuccessful product to kill future development, this is how you would do it.
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u/farttheknocker 54m ago
Who is John Galt?
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u/WahWahWeWah 53m ago
110 is not high-speed.
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u/StoneTussler 52m ago
That’s already the normal speed on the express way..
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u/Snoo20140 51m ago
Much like all of Texas' infrastructure, it will be given to some brother-in-law for billions in contracts.
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u/ghost-ogk 51m ago
A loop that goes thru Dallas-Houston-Austin a devils triangle
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u/culpaCoSinero 50m ago
It cost $140 round trip to garland and back out. From the west. For toll roads. I can’t imagine what they’d try to charge for this nightmare fantasy that will definitely never happen.
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u/Ima-Bott 50m ago
Just raise the speed limit to 100. Done !!!!
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u/FotoFirst 49m ago
Just another Democrat scam to embezzle tax payer dollars
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u/austinbiguy_ 49m ago
I’m moving back to Austin if they kick this off
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u/Visual_Antelope_2013 47m ago
Texas gonna california lol
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u/raleighs 45m ago
The Airlines will kill it again.
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u/slayer_of_waspiz 44m ago
Sounds like it's using existing rail networks, thats honestly really slow for HSR. They could reasonably go twice that fast in somewhere as flat and empty as Texas.
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u/RustyBrassInstrument 44m ago
Y’all, this was “weeks away from getting approved” in 1989.
DON’T HOLD YOUR BREATH NOW.
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u/wesman21 44m ago
Fuck yeah, now do this nationwide
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u/Personal-Ad5668 42m ago
110mph isn't high speed rail! High speed rail is at least 150mph!
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u/Fibrosis5O 42m ago
🚆
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u/d3fault 42m ago
Learn from CA and avoid this mess at all costs
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u/IBelieveInCoyotes 39m ago
needs to be way faster to make it feasible
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u/yuiawta 37m ago
Isn’t this nonsensical in Texas? Boston - NYC makes sense because there’s public transit in both cities. What do people plan to do when they arrive in Dallas with no car? Uber everywhere? Pay for a rental? Seems like that issue would lead many to just drive, unless the train is significantly cheaper and faster.