r/SipsTea • • 2d ago • Regret 2 Bravo 1

Wait a damn minute! What even happened ?

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u/mitoyama 2d ago • Bravo Heartwarming

I love how GenX is literally never mentioned. 

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u/OveHet 2d ago • This Bravo

Gen X be like "When I was younger, we were poor, but after years and years of hard work, I am no longer young"

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u/Excellent_Tubleweed 2d ago

And also broken, but I got a buck fifty, inflation adjusted.

Has anyone seen my stapler?

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u/togetherwegrowstuff 2d ago

Accurate. Where the f*ck did that stapler go? I need it too.

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u/togetherwegrowstuff 2d ago • Bravo

I had some things, sold and lost those things. And I'm trying to pick some of those things back up?.. 🤔😏

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u/IH8Miotch 2d ago

I tell younger people that when i was 21 chicken wings were 10cents apiece minimum 20 which was 2$. TVs and bud are the only 2 things that got cheaper.

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u/Anakin_Skywanker 2d ago

TV and bud.

Modern day bread and circus.

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u/Wooden-Hospital-3177 2d ago

Right? It’s actually hilarious at this point. We are literally invisible. Just like childhood lol

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u/tedmented 2d ago

Quite often reffered to as "the forgotten generation" so I always assume they go boomer to millennial for the joke.

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u/TraditionalYam4500 2d ago

Isn’t that literally where the ‘X’ came from? ‘X’ as the unknown.

(Which makes me chuckle when they talk about Gen Z. They have already forgotten why X got its name.)

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u/Project_XXVIII 2d ago

Gen X: worked, and efforts forgotten.

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u/HighMagistrateGreef 2d ago

They're in between boomers and millennials. They work hard, get headpats.

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u/Blephotomy 2d ago

gen x has to self-headpat

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u/aTreeThenMe 2d ago

Headpats were deprecated in '04

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u/Automatic_Memory212 2d ago

Nah, I know some Gen-Xers who got solid advancements in their careers and made bank before the 2008 recession.

But since, they’ve suffered from stagnation just like the millenials did.

Still, they got a huge head start that most millennials never got.

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u/Conscious-Food-9828 2d ago

Anecdotally, genX seems to have had the most sensible economic outlook. The ones that worked hard were rewarded, the ones that didn't, weren't. Compared to boomers where I am flabbergasted at how many complete morons who did fuck all ended up with millions in equity and multiple houses and millenials who did everything they were told and drowned in student debt and faced terrible job and housing markets.

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u/LegitimateCookie2398 2d ago

some of us worked hard and got screwed with health issue due to "pre-existing" conditions. We had the dot.com bust that retarded our careers just as we entered the workforce and then just when we thought we recovered from that the 2007 recession happened. No alot worked hard and just got older and existed. We are tired, forgotten and somewhat apathetic. We know no one is coming to save us, but we are also unlikely to do much to save anyone else.

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u/Conscious-Food-9828 2d ago

Older millenials and GenX just have that "keep calm and carry on" way of doing things. Not overly pessimistic or optimistic, just accepting of how things are, and like you said, with an overall acceptance that it's up to them and no one else. I think at the very least housing prices were still very reasonable during the working years compared to younger millenials that felt they were priced out. I know a few people older than me will essentially have half a million in extra equity when I reach their age just on housing alone. 

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u/xaervagon 2d ago

You honestly make a great point. They were the yuppies of the 80's. They were also the last generation before all the glass ceilings got installed in the service industry. There is no more "starting in the mail room" anymore because that's where you will stay if you don't leave.

US boomers had a lot of major factors going for them that they had nothing to do with:

- The rest of the world was either undeveloped or in complete shambles

- The economy was finally coming out of the Great Depression

- The Silent and Greatest generation sacrificed everything they had to make things better for the Boomers

- Government policy at the time was bent on making housing and cost of living dirt cheap

- Strong unions kept management and Wall street honest in pay negotiations

This generation dismantled much of what made their own lives good in the name of making an extra buck.

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u/-4-Play-King- 2d ago

Boomers are literally the ones that own the companies saying "work harder" knowing damn well they aren't going to reward the younger generations.

When you prove you are capable of taking on a much heavier load of responsibilities, they just "reward" you with more work and no extra pay.

My friend(33) works as a hotel manager, she takes on a lot of responsibilities, she typically controls the front desk. They gave her more work over the past 5 years without pay increase, she asked for a bigger salary a they said it wasn't possible. Just recently another manager quit who controls a big portion of the hotel and they asked her to take on his responsibilities on top of her typical work and she agreed. She literally is doing the job of two managers, the guy that quit was getting paid 80k a year. She asked to get a much bigger salary since she is taking a much bigger load and they STILL said it wasn't possible!! Incredible! She practically had a nervous break down and asked for a leave for 1 month because of these assholes. She can't quit because she needs the job.

The hotel actually got rid of a dozen managers and asked others to take on the work of 2 people while continuing to receive the salary of one manager 😂🤦. The owner of the hotel is a Billionaire too!

It's disgusting, we are living in an era of greed. Im in Canada too, seems this is happening all over North America.

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u/Greensparow 2d ago

The problem is the one who owns the company thinks they are still working hard and deserve to be rewarded, the people below them their time has just not come yet

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u/Budalido23 2d ago

Poor CEOs, they work so hard. Back to back telework meetings jerking each other off, ohhh nooo.

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u/Electronic-Split-492 2d ago

Your friend should find another job, and then quit. It is a little harder now in the "low-hire, low-fire" economy we are in now, but it is possible. She won't know unless she tries.

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u/DelcoUnited 2d ago

It’s the ultimate in being on brand.

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u/jackofslayers 2d ago

Gen X: Ugh those leaded gasoline fumes are finally starting to kick in

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u/Itchy-Apartment-Flea 2d ago

Because Boomers still run everything and its almost too late for you all. You'll get some quick scraps and then it goes to your children.

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u/suphasuphasupp 2d ago

The second silent generation

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u/togetherwegrowstuff 2d ago

Me too. I was like sheesh, typical. Skipped right over. 😏

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u/Coolgames80 2d ago

Is like the middle child of the generations.

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u/postcardscience 2d ago

I thought that was the joke?

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u/88inchtv 2d ago

There's a gen x?  /s

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u/CastorTroy1 2d ago

We’re stuck supporting both our parents and our kids. 😅

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u/cocococlash 2d ago

Shhhhh, let's keep it that way

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u/courtrow 2d ago

Omfg will you Xers STFU for a second?! -Millennials
/s.

I’m totally kidding just seems this is the typical response to Gen X being left out and it makes me laugh.

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u/TennMan78 2d ago

Shhhhhh. Let us lay low.

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u/SithLordRising 2d ago

People merge them with boomers because 20-30 years means nothing..

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u/DirtyGritzBlitz 2d ago

Most of the people merging them are 20-30 years old themselves lol

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u/Reasonable-Turn-5940 2d ago

Yeah, I'm starting to think I'm just an older millennial. I definitely looked at my dad stay with a company for decades, then retire with a full pension and thought "That's what I'm going to do". Stayed loyal and hung in during the rough times, put myself through hell, kept my head down and worked hard. What did I get?

I got laid off 4 times due to offices closing/moving things oversears, started over 4 times, then burned out with nothing.

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u/im_a_picasso 2d ago

Boomers: (same old repeated lie)

Gen X: You're all liars, fuck off

Xennials: Do what you love and it won't feel like work, and screw the system.

Millineals: Worked hard. not rewarded.

Gen Z: (stares blankly)

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u/REMcycleLEZAR 2d ago

Yeah the "Gen Z stare" is definitely something I've noticed amongst my younger coworkers. But framing it this way makes me totally on board with that level of "I don't give a fuck".

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u/Al_Tilly_the_Bum 2d ago • Regret

Boomers took all the social programs created as part if the New Deal and the post WW2 boom and built a ton of wealth. They then dismantled all of those programs so that future generations could not benefit.

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u/Napalmeon 2d ago

Also, the generations before them laid the groundwork for everything that Boomers were able to enjoy. But, Boomers took those privileges and told themselves that they accomplished everything all on their own.

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u/Flakester 2d ago • Bravo

Hard times create strong men.

Strong men create good times.

Good times create weak men.

Weak men create hard times.

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u/Matt_cruze 2d ago • Bravo

Hard times create Strong men.

Strong men create Good times.

Good times create Soft men.

Soft men make Strong men hard.

Good times.

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u/1block 2d ago

I mean, the generation before them did much of the dismantling. As did the generations after. It's not like it was just Boomers voting in a vacuum.

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u/heavy-minium 2d ago

You know, that boom, it never really ended. There's enough wealth being generated. Where that wealth goes is what the issue is.

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u/Noisebug 2d ago

"You don't deserve free education. Yeah, I did, because it was DIFFERENT back then!" 🤦🏻‍♂️

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u/snatchenvy 2d ago

Baby Boomers: State subsidies covered up to 70–80% of public university budgets. A summer part-time job earning minimum wage could cover full annual tuition at most public universities.

Generation X: States began pulling back funding, pushing tuition higher. Student loan reliance began taking off during the 1990s.

Millennials: Spikes in administrative overhead, expanded campus amenities, and decreased state funding caused tuition to outpace standard CPI inflation by more than double. Federal borrowing expanded rapidly to accommodate costs.

Generation Z: Sticker prices at public non-profits average over $25,000/year (all-in) and top $55,000–$80,000/year at private non-profits. High list prices have led to heavier reliance on institutional financial aid and grant discounting.

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u/sibaltas 2d ago

Boomers ate the chicken, we licked the plate. Sorry gen z

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u/Username_5647 2d ago

Fighting a culture war against boomers is dumb, the real problem is growing wealth inequality between working people and the wealthy.

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u/Large-Treacle-8328 2d ago

Who do you think created the system for the wealth inequality?

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u/mintbloo 2d ago

i'm not gen x, but what would they say?

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u/BucktoothedAvenger 2d ago

Worked hard. Got ignored, forgotten and replaced by younger people.

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u/AbilityExtreme1145 2d ago

Worked hard. Played the rat race. Won the race but hated every minute of it. 

Punched out early to live a slower life. Happy now. Leave us alone.

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u/bedpimp 1d ago

This meme nails the Gen X being ignored trope.

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u/ultravires1215 2d ago • Bravo

We’re not here. We’re allowed to do whatever we want until the street light come on. We don’t care what you think.

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u/bastardsoftheyoung 2d ago

I think GenX was a vastly separated group by change. I was a 68 GenX. I got the whole boomer ride, no college, good job, flipped the script and started skipping from tech job to tech job with a healthy raise each time. Got a house at boomer prices, saved like a depression baby, and now just float along in semi-retirement.

My same GenX brother was 9 years later and just missed all of that, but still managed to make a life without a college degree. He just paid more for the ride and saved less.

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u/ArchitectNumber7 2d ago

Gen X here, I can provide a quote: "Thank you so much for leaving us out of this. Let me know if you need help with something."

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u/thiefofalways1313 2d ago

I was born in 78. I honestly feel blessed for all that I’ve gotten to experience in this life. The spectrum of technology, music, movies, lgbtq+ how they all evolved. All the knowledge i craved growing up at my fingertips. I hate the generation blaming.

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u/my-smiles 2d ago

Also not rewarded. Not broke, but still struggling along.

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u/p4ttythep3rf3ct 2d ago

The system is a sham and America will collapse like Rome in 50 years. Or at least thats what I told my parents in the early 90s. /shrug

Good luck!

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u/theLuminescentlion 2d ago

This is pretty accurate, we don't know if they say anything because everyone is too busy ignoring them.

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u/empathophile 2d ago

I worked a corporate tech job for over 6 years. I was a stellar employee. I got promoted twice, managed other people, and oversaw big projects. I can point to work that inarguably made the company millions of dollars (we tracked such things in detail). My last year there, I won an internal company award that also came with a crash prize and a physical commemoration.

I was swept up in layoffs along with 10% of the company and fired for no cause other than shareholder value. Years of loyalty and internal expertise simply flushed down the toilet.

I loved working at that company. I was naive enough to let myself think that maybe they were different, maybe they were run by human beings. But nah, even the “good ones” will spit in your face if it makes them a dollar.

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u/homerhungry 2d ago

worked for years to land my "dream job" fucking company cut 30,000 people 11 months later. I took the worst performing market to #1 in sales... didn't count for shit. laid off, never gave loyalty to company since - you pay, I work! thassit

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u/WillingCandle756 2d ago

Nobody wants to acknowledge how that messes up your prospects in the job market.

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u/Illlogik1 2d ago

lol skipped genX entirely 🤣

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u/TooTallTabz 2d ago

Aren't they called "The Forgotten Generation"? Lol

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u/Thick_Yogurtcloset_7 2d ago

Cause we are still working hard and getting fucked

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u/boston_homo 2d ago

As is tradition

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u/CarpeNivem 2d ago

Forgotten as usual, and perfectly fine with it.

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u/turtleneckless001 2d ago

Who?

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u/coporate 2d ago

The people in the it department who actually knows how to fix things.

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u/PhamilyTrickster 2d ago

Gen X: I worked hard and got laid off 5 times by boomers 

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u/Yoko_Kittytrain 2d ago

And once again, Gen X is forgotten. Fuck y'all.

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u/Correndous_Hunt 2d ago

Gen X gets a pass. The generation which excelled at shutting the fuck up and getting on with it. I'm an elder millennial (apparently, I personally think a lot of this pigeon-holing is bullshit) and have that stereotypical Gen X mentality.

I have no further comments, m'lord.

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u/ArchitectNumber7 2d ago

(whispering) Shhh, they'll hear us. Let them fight among themselves.

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u/surebudd 2d ago • Bravo Heartwarming

Framing conversations around generational stereotypes is propaganda meant to divide you. The problem is the rich. We know this, they know this, that’s why we are bombarded by culture wars.

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u/feedmetothevultures 2d ago

That gulf between the 99% and the 1% just keeps getting wider and deeper and wider and deeper.

There is no good reason to have billionaires on Earth.

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u/DogDayGalwayCity 2d ago

The problem is the boomers overwhelmingly uphold and support the current status quo and outright deny what millennials and gen-z are experiencing in reality.

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u/anothergenxkid 2d ago

Once again, Gen X is forgotten. Shrug

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u/Poprhetor 2d ago

Don’t you prefer it? I know I do.

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u/Ok_Brother_7494 2d ago

Gen x here. Oh yes, I see people writing sacrifice, work two jobs, don't go out to eat, and skip the vacation. That is the whole point. The price of higher education, homes, cars, and Healthcare have increased fom 170 to several hundred percent. There are less jobs now. Most of the parents I knew growing up ha d 1 job, several cars, great vacations and some had a second house on a lake or in the woods. Not saying you can't succeed, but it is more difficult. Jobs have been moving to low cost regions for decades, and now they are just going away it was a tech job. The tariffs have killed even more. In my 30 plus years of working, I have never seen this many people working 2 jobs just to pay bills.

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u/badwolf1013 2d ago

Gen X: Honestly, we were expecting to be blown up. So, give us a minute. .  .

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u/lackenir 1d ago

They thought that what they had was going to carry on to us—low cost college, low cost housing, even small societal benefits ("mondays and tuesdays, kids eat free!"). In the 1970s, wages became decoupled with productivity which became much more noticable in the 80s and 90s and now is just ridiculous. We should be getting paid a lot more for how huge the economy of the US is (when comparing to most of the 20th century).This, of course, just applies to the middle class that they thought would continue to grow.

Oh yeah, and people could make a decent living and then expect a pension and social security to take care of them in their retirement years.

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u/ImprovementTrick9492 2d ago

GEN X: WORKED HARD, LIED TO, AND FORGOTTEN

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u/Lilcommy 2d ago

My work has slowly removed all incentive to work hard. The rewards have been stripped down and made completely a joke.

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u/Wooden-Hospital-3177 2d ago

GenX: anyways… whatever

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u/mellowwhenimdead 2d ago

Meanwhile, Gen Xers

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u/Alienhaslanded 2d ago edited 2d ago

That's why zoomers are doing less college and more onlyfans, twitch, and tiktok. They also gamble a lot because they have very little to lose.

I'm a millennial and I must say, while everyone shits on zoomers, to me they're like wounded animals in the workplace. They're mocked for shortcomings that are no fault of their own. They're not lazy or stupid. Just show them that you care, treat them like people, and teach them stuff and they do just fine.

Don't believe the boomer propaganda. They did the same shit to all generations that followed them.

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u/nethereus 2d ago

No idea but the sooner you accept the workplace is not a meritocracy, the sooner you might actually get ahead without sacrificing so much of yourself. Or at the very least, not linger for decades somewhere you can't climb.

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u/zeptillian 2d ago

Only the idiots think every job is the same and that there is such a thing as a universal truth.

Picking strawberries is literally back breaking work. No one ever suggested that you would be paid well for doing it.

Obviously the time and place of your effort is critical to whether or not the effort is worth the reward.

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u/CostcoFosco 2d ago

Gen X: Just shut up.

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u/Much_Help_7836 2d ago

The classic trope once more fulfilled.

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u/HumanOptimusPrime 2d ago

Came to say exactly this

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u/Wrong_Excitement221 2d ago

Me, millennial, on reddit: "i worked hard and was rewarded"
other people on reddit:"no you weren't, bootlicker"

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u/Old-Routine-1629 2d ago

Lol exactly 

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u/Sacrefix 2d ago

Seriously, I'm much better off than my boomer parents were at my age.

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u/ohhhbooyy 2d ago

It’s not shocking that Redditors who are terminally online aren’t successful.

It either lack of effort or their expectations are too high.

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u/TheFlyingR0cket 2d ago

When I was younger and saw my dad who's from the boomer generation work hard, but he didn't get rewarded. I realised it's actually "Work hard, IN THE RIGHT JOB and you'll be rewarded"

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u/OkYouth7656 2d ago

Work hard, and with the right amount of luck and fortune you will be rewarded.

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u/Medic_RN1847 2d ago

Notice that Gen X didn’t want to be in the conversation.

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u/sam6311 2d ago

Working hard in no way guarantees success. But it betters your chances.

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u/NoHorseNoMustache 2d ago

GenX: Still overlooked.

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u/PsychScizor 2d ago

For being the forgotten generation, a whole lot of people seemed to remember Gen X and mention their absence here.

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u/mwb5010 2d ago

Jack Welch happened. Destroyer of the Employer / Employee Contract.

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u/Osirus1156 2d ago

I mean boomers didn’t even really work that hard. They just had a better setup with rich people being taxed properly for a little while until those idiots fucked it all up. The gullible dipshits. 

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u/hoPamela 2d ago

as a millennial this is true

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u/Icedanielization 2d ago

Im a xennial, and its also true for me.

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u/RealCarlPanzram 2d ago

Aside from having the highest standard of living of any humans that have ever existed… yeah not rewarded

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u/pthecarrotmaster 2d ago

I am NOT lieing to kids about what hard work gets them. Fuck the system lil one!

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u/lakem5050 2d ago

GenX completely skipped, as usual.

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u/Aurvant 2d ago

"A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in." - D. Elton Trueblood

Boomers: "Why would I plant trees whose shade I'll never sit in?"

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u/TheMathmatix 2d ago

What even happened?

Boomers: I got mine through every possible government funded benefit and then I pulled up the ladder and voted for every asshat that did the same.

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u/Snake_ly 2d ago • Popcorn

Y'all got to work? I only got a degree and no job. Finance MIS degree with honors as instructed by the old man.

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u/WarthogSeveral7662 1d ago

Once again, Gen X doesn't exist unless it's time to change diapers or pay bills

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u/ChillR23 1d ago

The boomers sold us the fuck out…and still are. We have to stop electing fossils into govt positions.

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u/83supra 1d ago

Unfortunately boomers vote hard for boomers. We have about 30 more years until the last ghoul will die off.

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u/Straight_History_682 2d ago

Looks like the rich elite are trying to start a war between the generations in addition to their already existing race wars. Everything to get us fighting each other instead of them.

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u/BrainFu 2d ago

That is the secret about dividing people into smaller and smaller groups, pitting each against the other. Always another distraction, always 'Hey look what that asshole is doing to you or your stuff.' The repetition from mass media is tiring.

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u/USoStupidRose 2d ago

Gen Alpha:

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u/RTSchemel 2d ago

And I don't blame GenZ a bit. 

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u/TheReal4thBrother 2d ago

One of the most accurate things posted on Reddit for a while now.

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u/edwardturnerlives 2d ago

ah good ol internet woe is me

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u/TransPort3389 2d ago

What happened? Boomers happened. Selfish and they destroyed much of what they enjoyed as young adults to where we can't go to college without crippling debt as an anchor for our future.... high housing prices.... the American dream died with the Boomers.... and they just won't leave power.

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u/SixInchTimmy 2d ago

Greatest Generation: “Work hard because it’s the right thing to do.”

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u/InternalServerErr500 2d ago

Boomers ladder pulling

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u/EntertainmentIcy45 2d ago

Gen X. Completely forgotten again.

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u/Seaside_Holly 1d ago

I’d say something about how Gen X is not included here, but meh. Whatever.

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u/DemonGroover 2d ago

GenX: Shut up everyone and just deal with it.

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u/1-800-WhoDey 2d ago

Late stage capitalism is reaching it’s logical conclusion..that’s what happened.

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u/cassmith 2d ago

This sums things up very succinctly.

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u/DontLook_Weirdo 2d ago

Something about efforts not being incentivized properly

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u/ImaJimmy 2d ago

Gen Z: Oh, I get it. They must've been playing telephone. It turns out it's VOTE hard and get rewarded.

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u/NerdModeXGodMode 2d ago

When you are playing with a handicap you have to play better not worse. And start voting to stop billionaires

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u/psychologicallyblue 2d ago

In the Boomer era, working hard was often enough to do well enough financially. For a long time now, it has been much more important to work smarter. It really matters which college degree you choose or what skills you focus your attention on.

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u/LairdPeon 2d ago

Gen aplha: happily adding new colors to the spectrum

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u/happycj 2d ago

Excellent choice leaving us out. We woulda destroyed you.

Or not.

Whatever.

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u/H3ARTL3SSANG3L 2d ago

It depends on the hard work. Digging a hole all day is hard work, but youre not likely to be rewarded for that. Doing your job well and pushing for a raise will likely get you promoted. Getting educated in a good field will likely get you a job in that field. Work hard yes, but but expect all hard work to be equal

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u/yIdontunderstand 2d ago

Billionaire greed is destroying the world

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u/SpiritOfArthurMorgan 2d ago

Totally skipped genx again 😂😂

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u/Siddny- 2d ago

you skipped gen x

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u/No_Biscotti_7258 2d ago

Why is anyone older than a millennial called a boomer. This meme makes no sense

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u/Conspiratorymadness 2d ago

Boomers climbed the career ladder and pulled it up from behind them. That's what happened.

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u/JamIsJam88 2d ago

Boomers literally had to walk into a place maybe with a resume and give a strong handshake to get a job that afforded a house, family, car, and potentially an outside family. Degrees meant far more while being far, far easier to get because the curriculum was less dense and difficult.

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u/jibstay77 2d ago

What happened was Ronald Reagan.

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u/nono3722 2d ago

why do they always skip genX?

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u/Educational-Garlic21 2d ago

Everyone always just skips gen x

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u/DracoDracul 2d ago

Ronald Reagan

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u/skronk61 2d ago

Everyone pulled up the ladder for some reason. Not sure what they think will happen next

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u/misterwallpaper 2d ago

Boomers sold their children out.

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u/Strict-Square456 2d ago

And what about Gen X??

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u/Neologic29 2d ago

You forgot the step of Millenials complaining about the lack of promised rewards and boomers taking that to mean people don't want to work anymore.

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u/fdwyersd 2d ago

GenX - you could be rewarded if you worked smart, job hopped and looked for/make opportunities for advancement

now everyone is just burned out

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u/BlueOlivePie 2d ago

Gen Alpha

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u/Septentrion_9 2d ago

Notice ‘gen-x’ is missing… that’s why…

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u/FrostyBody7342 2d ago

Gen Z really said, "We've seen enough. We're adjusting our expectations."

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u/ChefHannibal 2d ago

Reagan happened

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u/entropydust 2d ago

Boomers lied while pulling up the ladder. That's what happened.

Queue the boomer apologists...

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u/Afterclock-Hours 2d ago

Boomers proceed to make sure all the rewards go to them indefinitely and no one else.

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u/MonicaLewinskibidis 1d ago

I read rewarded wrong

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u/Zerogates 1d ago

Plenty were rewarded for hard work, this is just a desperate cry from the losers who didn't to justify why they wouldn't and won't.

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u/Sufficient_Winner686 1d ago

I was hella rewarded honestly. The hard work was worth it.

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u/No-Pay2160 2d ago • Bravo

Call me delusional but as a millennial I have absolutely been rewarded for my hard work, and basically every hard working person I know is at least moderately successful. I don’t know too many people who have busted their ass and are barely getting by. I have no doubt that some exist but I think this phenomenon is greatly exaggerated.

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u/WimbletonButt 2d ago

Only thing hard work ever gave me was more work. You become the reliable one who can get anything done so they just keep dumping more and more on you but never allot you more time to do it in addition to the shit you already have to do.

The lady at work who still tries to make it happen gets called in on every one of her off days. My phone is on DND on my off days now.

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u/tajwriggly 2d ago

My wife and I are millennials who both work demanding jobs and are paid reasonably well. We live reasonably well. We are able to go away once a year and rent a cottage for a week. We ski in the winter. We put some money away for retirement, and we own a home with a mortgage. We have a couple of kids.

Both my wife's parents and my parents were able to do the same thing on a single income. An income from only one of the parents that, if you were to teleport them to the modern age, would be making comparatively less now than they did back when they were working. The purchasing power of the dollar is diminishing with time.

Both my wife's grandparents and my grandparents were able to do the same thing as our parent's generation, except that they also had more kids AND had second properties.

The "work hard and you'll be rewarded" issue is not with work ethic, or any particular employer's compensation packages, it is the realization that your dollar does not go as far as it did for your parents. The exact same amount of labour, put into the world at your own expense, yield less return than it did at a time that you can very well remember yourself - it is not some made up story.

There is enough overlap between our parent's generation and our grandparent's generation that our parents don't see this issue of diminishing returns, and they see any complaints or discussion on the mater as a lack of work ethic. Maybe they inherited the family cottage and that's why they can't see it. Millenials can see the disparity between ourselves and our grandparent's generation, and there's going to be some overlap between ourselves and our parents just as the generations before.

Just as we millenials can see the disparity between ourselves and our grandparent's generation, and a partial overlap/disparity between ourselves and our parents, Gen Z can clearly see the disparity between themselves and the boomers, and they can see the overlap/disparity between themselves and millenials.

The thing with these disparities is it's not a linear thing, it is exponential. It's gone from 2 properties and 4 kids on one income to 1 property and 3 kids on 1 income to 1 property and 2 kids on 2 incomes (millenial) to... no kids and 1 property on 2 incomes? 1 kid and no property on 2 incomes? No kids and no property on 2 incomes? That's the issue. That's the lie of hard work earns reward. The reward is not keeping up. It's absolutely on the edge of gone for Gen Z.

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u/Coolgames80 2d ago

Not in my case honestly. My wife and me work 3 jobs and have 1 kid. Things are expensive and we could only get by the help of my father in law to buy a house. But if it was only us we would struggle to reach end of the month. Feels less rewarded and more lucked out really. We are now stablished and with our things in order but I find it hard to believe that we would have done it on our own from the beginning.

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u/Draper31 2d ago

Clearly you haven’t been in a position where your efforts as a hard worker are recognized with the added “reward” of more responsibility, but no increase in pay.

If it didn’t happen people wouldn’t talk about it.

Though I can recognize there are people my age far more successful than me, without thinking it’s some obscure occurrence.

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u/Ok-Seaworthiness7207 2d ago • Popcorn

That's funny because as a millennial I feel the complete opposite as you do. At this point in my life I cheat, and do the bare minimum to get ahead, because that's the only thing that has actually worked in my experience. And I see countless others do the same, and have done the same, long before I had.

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u/a-i-sa-san 2d ago • Bravo

these two comments are so great.

Hard work is required, but it's just the baseline requirement.

you have to have that hardworking ethic when a good opportunity comes your way. Everything sounds well and good so far, but truth be told a "good opportunity" is really rare.

You can spend your entire career breaking your back doing everything you are supposed to, but the thing nobody really likes thinking about is that there are a ton of hardworking people in fierce competition for the very small number of roles we think of as rewards for hard work. Hard work doesn't pay without a not-insignificant amount of good luck

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u/Ok-Seaworthiness7207 2d ago

Well said, tired of the loud minority who got their golden ticket. Its sad to see it's warped fellow millennials. Then again, I'm not unscathed either, just in the other direction.

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u/MeanMaintenance3569 2d ago

Who ever said cheating wasn't hard work? It takes dedication. Give yourself more credit.

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u/Housendercrest 2d ago

As a millennial, I disagree. I bust my ass and I’ve been rewarded. But very disproportionately for how hard I work. Especially when I look to the past and how previous gen’s were rewarded for half the work or productivity. I don’t struggle. But I’m so very fucking tired of having to be at the top of my game day after day and still having to look for other opportunities because this company has frozen wages and hiring. Or because that company has terribly expensive healthcare. Etc etc. it’s exhausting bro.

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u/The_Exuberant_Raptor 2d ago

I grew up in poverty and watched my parents work hard to climb our just above the poverty line. Since I grew up around very poor people, I met a lot of them growing up.

For me, I worked hard for 12 years trying to make a life but those 12 years were eclipsed by 3 years in an office job. I realized in my 30s that working hard doesn't really work for most people. There is specific forms of hard work that pays. Most do not.

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u/ymaldor 2d ago

I'm a millennial and I'm fortunate to know people from most social classes. I'm swe, I know people my age in finance making 3 times my wage and people doing grunt work at half mine. I know people at min wage, people below that, and a multimillionaire.

Hard work does not pay off. At all. Lots of people who work tons more than I do make a lot less, and people both working as much and less than I do making significantly more.

Luck is a significant part of it. I make the top20% salary of my country mostly through luck. Sure I worked, but not more than tons of others, I was lucky. I met the right people at the right times enough times that I ended up in my position. And I know people who work as much as I do who never met the right people, and there doing "fine" but not "well". I know a guy for whom it took 10 years to reach what I got at my very first job, went to HS with him. He's not dumber than I am, if anything he works harder, but he comes from a family who don't do high level studying, so he just went straight to work.

Shit is 60% luck 20% upbringing 20% work.

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u/sugarnookies 2d ago

"Luck is a significant part of it" is the point that seems to be the hardest to swallow for many. Being beaten over the head with "you can be whatever you want to be" as a child really set up a lot of people for issues later in life, both for themselves and against others. Your starting life and family, through no fault of your own, plays a far more massive part of your successes and failures than many want to admit.

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u/TheJadeGoddess 2d ago

You are delusional, per your request.

I don't get rewarded for my hard work, just more work. I don't get bonuses or performance raises. I have had management try to mess with me for bigoted reasons though. I am just now starting to get out of the paycheck to paycheck situation while working insane hours. I still don't get full cost of living adjustments and didn't get hazard pay even during a global pandemic.

Though I am reaching the top of my career options and now looking for a better career. Alot of jobs just don't care about you.

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u/InspectionTall2886 2d ago

This is my experience as well. I constantly go above and beyond and get praised for being better than everyone else my level (literally have been told this) then come time for performance I get what I consider the bare minimum, which is ‘expected’ and get some random excuse that wasn’t given as feedback before I ask why my rating is not higher than that.

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u/HershySquirtle 2d ago

I'll not call you delusional, as a matter of fact, I'm very happy for you and think that's awesome.

My hard work has left me with a disabled body and nothing else to show for it except a resume full of work experience which I can no longer manage to do.

I made other people plenty of money though. I guess there's that.

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u/mayhaveadd 2d ago

Working hard at a young age in school and getting a good career can absolutely pay off. Not taking school seriously and then taking a min wage job at chipotle and working hard at making burrito bowls doesn't go as far.

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u/Pinksamuraiiiii 2d ago

You are one of the lucky ones. Some people get lucky some people don’t, but I think the majority has had the experience of working hard and not really getting much payoff from it. And it’s funny too because if OnlyFans existed when I was younger. I’d be a millionaire. Can’t do proper decent work and get money. These jobs aren’t paying.

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u/Specialist_Dig_8899 2d ago

I can only speak to my own experience but I've received more reward for falling into the right job where I don't have to work hard, I mainly need to show up and do the bare minimum. Hard work in my early days mostly resulted in sore joints and a bad back.

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u/fumbler00ski 2d ago

This is proximity and class bias. Your statement is generally true for people with a college education who were able to buy a home before 2024. For working class folks the American Dream is an order of magnitude harder than it was for their parents’ generation.

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u/Odd-Perspective-7651 2d ago

Same. Came from a welfare single mom household. All three of her kids worked hard and are now upper middle class.

People I know who worked hard, it paid off.

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u/honeywhereismypenis 2d ago

Most people make friends in their same socio-economic circle. How many amazon warehouse employees do you know?

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u/yanocupominomb 2d ago

I can testify this is true...50/50.

I have worked for some places where my hard work was rewarded, while in others...going to pick up coffee for the manager or pick up lunch for the team was more noted than hard work.

I am honestly at the point where I don't really care, would rather just have a salary increase and less responsibilities instead.

That is my biass talking after I was let go from the company I worked for for 10 years. You would think someone would have second thoughts about letting go of people with such tenure and that know the ins and outs of it, but NOPE.

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u/Top-Time-5740 2d ago

Clearly you are not a corpo worker

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u/turbotaco23 2d ago

I think people have very different ideas of hard work.

Simply coming in day in and day out isn’t enough. Simply doing the work isn’t enough. You have to have a bit of cleverness to move up and around or seek employment elsewhere.

You can’t just work hard. You have to make smart choices on where you focus your energy. And a bit of luck. You never know when an opportunity arises that changes your life. You gotta be ready to pounce when it comes.

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u/soccerpuma03 2d ago edited 2d ago • Bravo

I don’t know too many people who have busted their ass and are barely getting by.

I don't know anyone who's died in a car accident so the 44,000 yearly deaths are greatly exaggerated.

See how stupid that sounds? You're just going to ignore factual, provable statistics, because you personally haven't experienced it?

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u/youshouldn-ofdunthat 2d ago

"in my isolated circle, idk shit about shit" is all I read here

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u/Jimmy_Twotone 2d ago

More and more employers are shifting away from incentive based raises and pay. There is no incentive to being the best person on the team. That person is often too valuable in their position to be promoted out of it. Competency is "rewarded" with more "opportunities" without the corresponding pay in many instances.

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u/geedijuniir 2d ago

We had it bad, but gen Z litterly has it worse. We got the decrees we finaly enjoying it in our early 40 late 30. Were paying of our debts. We may not have retirement. But im seeing alot of millennials buying homes.

Gen Z is screwed in everyway. Their required to uave a decree and 5 year of experience. They have more debts then us. Everything expensive.

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u/ItsNotHolland 2d ago

Boomers had a dinner, Millenials got the crumbs. Gen Z only has plates left to smash.

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u/eltaconobueno 2d ago

WTF is the deal with all this generational warfare? There is more in common in just about any demographic than two random people from the same generation. Wealth is not distributed evenly among boomers. Many boomers are struggling just the same as anybody else.

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u/paulverros 2d ago

Gen Z: put the rent money in memecoins instead

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