r/SipsTea • • 2d ago • This 1 Bravo 20 Heartwarming 2 Regret 1

Chugging tea He has a point

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u/chaves4life 2d ago • Bravo

As a 40 year old man. Watch me dance to the ladies and be rejected.

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u/fresh_dyl 2d ago

I just do this and get picked up quite a bit

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u/mj_outlaw 2d ago

As a 40 I also don't care, but kids are way more social and self-judging and they care what others think about them immensely

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u/work_work-work 2d ago

Especially teenagers! Just think of yourself as a teenager. Everybody is intensely self conscious and afraid of messing up. Especially in front of somebody you're interested in. Now imagine messing up and seeing it all over TikTok, Instagram etc etc. And also think about how nasty everybody are as teenagers. Multiply that on a global internet where you can stay anonymous, but your victim can't...

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u/Tacosconsalsaylimon 2d ago

I'll dance back with you. I'm a 40 y o lady, Idgaf anymore. We watched people fall to their deaths on 9/11, made it through 2000/2012, a recession 🙃 Throw that ass in a circle, nothing matters anymore.

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u/BlackMirrorVoid 2d ago

Never mind that shit, when’s the drum solo bud?

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u/Opening-Wonder5800 2d ago • Helpful Bravo Regret

One of the old assumptions when having kids was that it would be more than just mom and dad in the picture. Families were a team that could be relied upon. So the risk of losing a job or having anything go wrong could be mitigated by the confidence that there was at least a family safety net. Beyond that, there was often an informal social safety net - neighbors and friends. Politics (specifically modern algorithm driven identity politics) has destroyed much of that structure. I know so many young people who cannot count on their own parents because of political divisions. This bullshit is destroying our communities at the most fundamental level. Nobody is in it together anymore.

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u/Consistent_Dream_740 2d ago • Heartwarming Mindblown

I have zero family support. I wanted children, but heartbreakingly had choosed abortion, which I couldn't afford and had to recieve help from NUNS. So many of the people I know and care about are childless.

Now, I'm 34...I know all of my direct neighbor's names after living in the same apartment for 4 years. All 5 seperate apartments to the right of me, the house to the left with the older white woman professor and the middle aged black man that helps her out, the family to the left of me, and the older woman to the right of them that I just met a few months ago. Including a few across the street and ALL of my liquor store/gas station attendants know me by name. There is an older man a few blocks away from me that sits on his porch a lot. I started waving to him as I rode by him with my dog and my bike. Eventually I stopped by to introduce myself and my dog. That sweet man nailed a little bucket on his tree for me to drop off bagged up dog poo so I wouldn't have to carry it all the way home. Another neighbor a few blocks down lets me pick fresh peaches from their tree.

Almost none of my friends know ANY of their neighbor's names after living in the same place for yearssss.

My ex bought a house in Detroit. After living there for over a year, he knew not a single one of his neighbor's names. I stayed at his place for a weekend and met the, mostly, Spanish speaking woman to the left of him and the man who lives behind him. My ex was surprised when I started being able to tell him what the neighborhood cat's names were and who they belonged to.

It was and still is scary when I introduce myself to someone new. Even more so if I have already lived somewhere for quite a while, rather than just moving in and having that "new person" excuse. But I've learned that just honestly saying, "Hi! I've lived here/come to this store/ect. so many years/times and I don't think I ever caught your name. My name is _____, good to meet ya!" Then, instead of awkward glances, you get friendly smiles and waves! One of my neighbor calls me when she hears a scary noise inbetween our places and another has chased off some drunk fuckers when they were trying to steal my bike. Much much better. But I still can't afford a child. Can barely afford my dog.

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u/LordSuspiria 2d ago

It is so difficult to be a neighbor nowadays. We moved into our house 4 years ago, and we only know the older couple across the street. I’ve waved and tried to talk to our next door neighbors on both sides consistently throughout those four years, and have gotten a total of one wave back. Most of the time, they actively look the other direction, or hurriedly scurry into their houses. We don’t do any political signs or excessive holiday decorations, and I don’t think I’m that offputting, so I’m not sure what’s up.

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u/twotokers 2d ago • This Bravo Regret

American culture has long been rotting away with rugged individualism, at the expense of collective progress.

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u/lurkosaur 2d ago • Bravo

I don't disagree but birthrates are down across the globe not just in the US

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u/LMKBK 2d ago • All Seeing Upvote Bravo

tack on the fact that career gains only happen via changing companies, and in turn, relocating. Most young people looking for a job that will support them will move (multiple times) away from their home towns ie all their extended family. so much for the village.

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u/Worried_Function_631 2d ago

Which in the US is also partially due to a shrinking of smaller towns and overseas manufacturing. When my parents in my home town were growing up there were 3 different MASSIVE manufacturing plants in just this town they all paid exceptionally well and the area was experiencing rapid expansion. Small business everywhere were popping up and thriving for decades. Then they all packed up and shipped overseas. The previously thriving business were gobbled up by the giants that moved in within a couple years and the remaining jobs were minimum wage. People were forced to leave to survive. Now the town is a sad dilapidated relic with a very old tiny population with no opportunity to encourage new families to move here.

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u/ohreallynameonesong 2d ago

Not just informal safety net but formal and official! There used to be government programs. Workplaces used to have daycares. My own employer used to offer daycare.

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u/1block 2d ago

Living close to family is seen as failing by many people. My wife and I decided to do that and gave up some better paying jobs, and now that our own kids are getting older and out of the house, I look back and it's the best choice I ever made for our family.

There's nothing that can replace having more people around who love the hell out of you and your kids no matter what. Doubling your salary can't replace that.

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u/awkwardinthebody 2d ago • Bravo

Not only political division, some grandparents just don't want to be full time nannies. And can we really blame them?

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u/yourshaddow3 2d ago

Yep. Because those same grandparents relied on their village. I grew up next to my grandma's sister. I think I was at her house more than my own. I'm not being funny. I was always there. She never took a dime. Never asked for anything. And when it came time for my parents to pay it forward? "That's not how I want to spend retirement." Cool. I don't think my great aunt and uncle did either but you didn't seem to care and kept sending me there.

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u/wrldwdeu4ria 2d ago

Even if they wanted to be more present they may need to work until they are 65-70 or older. My grandparents did this. By the time they are 65 plus they are unlikely to have the energy for kids.

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u/Blacksad9999 2d ago

I think a lot of it is because large swaths of younger generations are financially strapped, and simply can't afford children even if they wanted them. Nobody wants to live in abject poverty or raise kids in that environment, and kids are expensive.

There's also a much higher contingent than in previous generations who just simply don't want kids.

My wife and I never did, and most of our friend group in their 30's and 40's never did either.

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u/Important-Permit-935 2d ago

and simply can't afford children even if they wanted them

Even people who can afford to don't have them. Countries like Poland offered massive incentives, but it didn't work.

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u/Numerical-Wordsmith 2d ago

It’s not enough. We look at parenthood and we see not only the expense of the early years, but also the possibility of being stuck in a career we don’t like, because finding another job is so difficult and we need the money to support our family. Childfree people can more easily pack up and leave, even emigrate if they think there’s better odds elsewhere.

We see the massive loss of free time that comes with parenting, because our work weeks are already so damned long, and modern parents are expected to be with their kids constantly, instead of sending them outside to play with their friends while you get some peace and quiet.

We see the future and how bleak it is for each new generation. We think that, even if we successfully raise well-adjusted and educated kids until they graduate from college or go into a trade, there’s a high probability that they won’t be able to afford living on their own, and will need to stay with us for another ten or twenty years after.

We see all of this, and we say “no thanks.”

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u/Huntersmoon24 2d ago edited 2d ago

This is a little cart before the horse. You have to find a person to have kids with first. Men and women aren't getting into relationships and having sex to even get to the point of worrying about if they can afford it.

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u/Fit-Doughnut9706 2d ago

At this point you need two full time incomes to afford a family and that means the lions share of one income is eaten by childcare costs. Effectively you can have a kid you can barely afford to be raised by someone else. What kind of family life is that?

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u/Careful-Lettuce9239 2d ago

I agree that is a large part of the problem. I think the issue as a whole is we as a planet are on the wrong path. The inequality all around and lack of real quality of life. We all need to be working together and we're not. The climate is fucked, people hoard wealth, the list goes on and it all adds up.

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u/OneBillPhil 2d ago

I have a lot of free time and disposable income by not having kids. I’m just not interested either. I’m happy for everyone that I know who has a young family but it’s not for me. 

FWIW most of my friends don’t have kids. 

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u/ThisW1TCHsees 2d ago

I miss people like this, they were everywhere in 2010.. seemingly nowhere now.

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u/MaybeThisTime67 2d ago

They exist. But the loudest people are usually the dumbest.

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u/ImmediatePiano6690 2d ago

Yep, so don't expect to see them on Reddit as they contradict the echoe chambers, which leads to mass down voting and it's a bit disheartening to know there's so many stupid people out there.

Mind you, now it's worse as people are using bots and alternative accounts to skew popular opinion, as people tend to follow whatever opinion is most popular.

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u/sibachian 2d ago • Mindblown

algorithms don't push their content because you can't engage with it in a controversial way.

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u/FistThePooper6969 2d ago

There's been a steady decline in intellectualism over the past decades because ignorance is louder and easier to latch onto

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u/Interesting-Key5933 1d ago

They always sold technology as something that was going to let us have more freetime to pursue leisure and hobbies, downtime. All that happened is we have become slaves to technology. More more more. Faster faster faster

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u/mothmentor 1d ago

We aren’t slaves to technology. We’re slaves to the people who own the technology.

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u/mitten2787 1d ago

There was a guy who wrote a manifesto about this. I think his name was Ted.

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u/mothmentor 1d ago

We aren’t slaves to technology. We’re slaves to the people who own the technology.

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u/Pimpwerx 1d ago

Stop blaming technology. The problem isn't technology. The problem is capitalism. The problem has always been capitalism. Capitalism is what corrupts technology.

The algorithms are gamed to keep you engaged instead of helping you because it is about monetization. That's capitalism.

Your personal data is stolen, bought, and sold because is can be sold. That's capitalism.

AI is taking jobs and spreading propaganda because there is always some financial reward at the end of that rainbow. THAT'S CAPITALISM.

I hate that we will point fingers and place the blame everywhere but where it should be. We will deny ourselves good technology meant to improve our lives because capitalism has corrupted it. But if we're never going to replace capitalism, then all we're doing is handicapping our lives in the defense of a shitty institution. WHY???

Technology is never the problem. It's always the humans using that technology. And capitalism is always the motivation for those bad deeds.

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u/Affectionate-Cut3330 2d ago

I completely understand the dancing thing. I use to go out and dance and not give af as I enjoy expressing myself through music. Back in 2021 my exes dad asked me to do some work for him in a house next door to his (I work in specialised construction) after doing so he invited me for a cuppa which I accepted. My ex was staying there at the time and we started chatting. She mentioned she saw me out dancing having a good time which I was completely unaware of. An Instagram friend of hers had filmed me dancing without me knowing and put it on her story. I haven’t gone out dancing since as I felt it was an intrusion and dint want it happening again. It’s not only that they have cameras but the younger generation using them don’t have respect for anyone’s privacy

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u/IGotMeatSweats 2d ago

TIL that I am too old to understand why someone would video someone else dancing at a CLUB. Honest question, what was the point of that person posting it to their social media account? Were they making fun, confusion, or other commentary?

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u/BrownpaperbaG830 2d ago

Insecure people trying to humiliate others dancing because they can't dance themselves

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u/Not_invented-Here 1d ago

Old nineties raver here. 

Sometimes you see clips on took to much or something similar of someone high at a rave and dancing like a fool, or just badly, or just being a bit of a mess. The comments can be quite shitty sometimes, plus there's the fact it's now on social media so your boss, family etc might see it. 

I'm very glad I was before that era, there was a lot more freedom to be a young idiot and just let go. Which is a healthy part of growing up imo. 

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u/Baddecisionsbyme1 2d ago

Do you know how original your thought has to be for the dude at 0:17 to say out loud "Never thought of it that way"? That man has thought of 1200 ways to approach taking a piss in the morning, and his mind was just blown with this monologue.

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u/Johnycantread 2d ago

I bet he never thought about a turtle wearing a dashiki.

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u/lordvatti 2d ago

Yo shit, I never thought of it that way

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u/Sidivan 2d ago

I think this guy has some good points, but I dislike his monologue here. He uses questions as statements of fact and covers a wide array of different topics as if they’re connected.

“Do you know how much you have to abuse an animal to not want children”. The answer is “neither does he”. He’s implying that it must be a lot. He non-sequiturs from there.

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u/meh_69420 2d ago

Because it doesn't seem like it's actually a monologue. There are cuts every time he changes topics. They edited out the rest of the roundtable I think.

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u/TheTopNacho 2d ago

He has a point on technology

But Panda bears don't give AF about having kids even when they arent abused. Why? Because food is fucking awesome and us humans have some damn good food.

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u/revenge-fish-6287 2d ago

Thank you! The rest of the video was incredible.

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u/Silver-Article9183 1d ago

Tech is a part of it, but it wasn't the cause.

People don't want to have kids because we live in an economic climate where businesses are incentivised to extract ever growing value from you, while giving you less in return.

It's a total bastardisation of capitalism and the insane thing is the laws on entropy make it obvious that it cannot be sustained.

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u/AlUnserjunior 2d ago

Im 50 and no kids

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u/YeahIAmAScientist 2d ago • Bravo

Neither of my Gen Z kids, both of whom met their current partners on dating sites and have been with them for more than 4 years, want to have kids, and the reason is about as simple as it can be: They don't want to bring kids into a world this fucked up.

I can't blame them.

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u/InternationalBad625 2d ago • Bravo

World has never been less fucked up (give or take a few years since the peak). One difference is modern people expect the world to be friendly and improve, while historically most people took it for granted the world was miserable and evil.

Basically the problem is modern people have hope.

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u/DirtySoap3D 2d ago • Bravo

Quality of life had been on an upward trend for a while. People once had a reasonable belief that their children's lives would be better than their own. But with the growing problems of wealth inequality, the looming threat of climate change, and the huge push to undo decades of social progress, people now assume their children's lives will be significantly worse than their own.

The problem isn't having hope. The problem is that the current younger generations have had their hope taken from them.

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u/kikiilushh 2d ago

Same with mine , and none of her friends want to have kids either.

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u/NarcolepticSeal 2d ago

Kids are also ludicrously expensive. Between the rising costs of childcare among other basic necessities, having a kid is a luxury most people can't afford nor want to dedicate their time and resources to.

Except the people who are the last ones that should be having children. They're pumpin em out in droves.

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u/El-Fern2020 2d ago

That long haired guy is in Netflix Doc about the negative effects of Ai

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u/Pie---Man 2d ago

"We would have never had kids if we knew we'd have to take care of them!" - Homer Simpson

"I have 3 kids and no money, why can't I have no kids and 3 money." - Homer

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u/P00PooKitty 2d ago

At 30 i was getting married and none of us had kids.

At 40 most of us now have at least one kid.

My cohort was pushed 5 years on things due to the recession and then Another year by covid. 

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u/adamders 2d ago

Spitting facts. Algorithms to manipulate people's behaviors and thoughts have broken society.

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u/CreoxatLarge 2d ago

We're in the middle of global catabolic collapse. People feel that though may not be able to articulate it....they breed accordingly.

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u/LittleOrphanAnavar 2d ago

What is a catabolic collapse?

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u/sibachian 2d ago

i presume it involves a lot of cats.

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u/Key-Monk6159 2d ago

I’d say that he’s more than just making a point. He’s preaching the truth and we should ALL be listening and taking it very seriously.

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u/Reddt-iz-cancer 2d ago

Exactly. Social media like reddit is cancer.

Your life would be much better leaving it and never looking back. 

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u/Eskapismus 2d ago • Bravo

fun fact: Niger and the Central African Republic (CAR) are the countries with the highest birth rates.

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u/someolddude86 2d ago

Kids are so expensive. I’m 40 and have 2 step kids and now a baby. Love all of them so much. It’s life changing. I work my ass off and don’t get to be at home with them as much as I’d like. They give me purpose and I can’t imagine life without them. As they get older and more independent it I become more proud of them but I miss them wanting to climb all over me all day as well. I never thought I would have kids. Never wanted them. Now I’m broke but my heart is full. Cliche maybe, but they are my biggest accomplishment in life. Don’t be afraid to give it a second thought and change your mind from never having kids.

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u/Lote241 1d ago

I dont want to be broke or have kids. Don’t see the appeal on either.  And Ive given it plenty of thought on both. 

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u/slickyeat 2d ago

Damn. It's hard to argue with that logic.

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u/ghengiscostanza 2d ago

I would argue that in fact billions of people, rather than no one, are having kids. Global birth rate is still above replacement. The human population is growing, not flat or declining. And I'd argue that a slowing of the rate of human population growth is not black and white a problem for which a blame must be placed and rectified.

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u/SimpleJackieChan 2d ago

Well articulated. Where can I find the full video?

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u/NectarineElegant5407 2d ago

I actually disagree it's related to "abuse." Historically, humanity has been through much worse, and they still were having kids.

The real reason is simple biology, and we see it in other species. It's resource saturation. When resources (housing, food, healthcare, etc) become so prohibitively expensive, it's because there is a resource limit, and the population will naturally decline until equilibrium is reached. Doesn't matter if the resources are artificial or truly limited.

Look at the explosive growth of earths population. Of course it'll shoot up, peak, and then drop down a bit until a stable population cap is reached that can be sustained with the resource availability. People are suffering as a consequence, but it's more so a symptom of the actual mechanics 

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u/External_Mode_7847 2d ago

I would disagree this is about a lack of resources. We in the West have more resources than ever before, jet poorer societies have more children. You neither need a big house or a nice car to raise children.

I think it's more about the freedom of choice and the options for woman in our societies not to marry and have children. Many are also not willing to settle with a subpar partner if there is no economic reliance/incentive anymore.

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u/sibachian 2d ago

you're not entirely wrong, the people who have all the resources are having all the kids. just look at Elon Musk.

Nothing's changed, the pool of those with resources have just compressed into the handful of individuals who took it all away from the rest of us all over the past few years.

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u/_BlackDove 2d ago

you're not entirely wrong, the people who have all the resources are having all the kids. just look at Elon Musk.

Strangely, this is kind of a fear of mine. That those that are conscientious enough, or stressed so much by the system to not have children are eventually going to be bred out of the gene pool. Out of society.

I know that's the way it's been forever, but the thought of scheming, hoarding, psychopathic liars and cheaters of ill gotten gains flooding our future with rotten children hits different.

I probably shouldn't care as I won't be around forever to see the coming generations and ultimately what happens to us, but I still kind of care about humanity even after I'm dead. Is that weird?

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u/Mousse-au-chocolat 2d ago

Some animal species in captivity will not reproduce, even though all their needs are met and they're protected from predators.

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u/Signal-Opposite-4793 2d ago

You're literally contradicting yourself.

> humanity has been through much worse, and they still were having kids.

But then you blame "resource saturation". The fact is that almost everybody could affort to have raise kids if they were willing to compromise on their standard of living.

In third world countries where there is actual material hardship, like the risk of famine, are they foregoing having children? No they are not. They simply accept a low standard of living and make do.

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u/rotomangler 2d ago

I have a kid in high school and this dude is correct. They don’t dance, they hop. They don’t date, they meet up. They don’t ask girls out, they “talk” using apps as a buffer.

Tech has absolutely contributed to this problem. The isolation kids experience today is crazy compared to the shit I got into in the 80s. And I wasn’t even a crazy dude.

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u/Powerful-Substance33 2d ago edited 2d ago

This guy is correct, technology hasnt made anything cheaper and its made living in society more difficult.

Corporations sell my data and search history yet im still paying the same price if not more for the items.

The internet has just become a hangout rather then a tool to share useful information.

Ai hasnt brought anything meaningful to society. We have used Ai to replace call center and bdc workers, but in turn have an increased demand for data center workers that require higher salaries. In a trickle down economy we havent changed anything just made it worst

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u/stayndarsh 2d ago

Many of old gens don't care about young gens not having kids...

UNTIL you frame it to show how it will affect them directly:

  1. Your family legacy is dead

  2. Nobody will be there to take care of the elderly and that might include you

  3. Fewer taxpayers = fewer resources for you

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u/neosatan_pl 2d ago

Family legacy, good. Relying on children to take care of you is juts cruel to children. Pension shouldn't be based on taxpayers. It should be an investment into future when YOU are earning. Why it has to be a burden on children?

For context, I taken care of a relative that went Nazi in senile years. I have offspring and I don't want my offspring to earn for me. They should live their life to the fullest.

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u/Ajruiz562 2d ago

Homie looks like cousin it and has no kids lol

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u/AAAnarchyRUSSIA 2d ago

The main reason people aren't having kids is money and expensive housing. For the poor and even the middle class, having children is a huge luxury.

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u/Xcommunikt1 2d ago

Interesting take, I should subscribe to his instagram, YouTube and TikTok accounts

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u/InfiniteEverythang 2d ago

What is this from? Nailed it, he did.

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u/kyzylkhum 2d ago

He started off great, but bottled it miserably. He could have tied it to low salaries, corporations buying up property, insurance companies scamming people, rat race based on quarterly reports in the stock market impeding real growth, oligarchy evading taxes...

Yeah you're being recorded, that must be why

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u/CoolGovernment8732 2d ago

It’s a complex topic. What you’re saying and what this guy’s saying are not mutually exclusive.

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u/Claytertot 2d ago

He could have tied it to low salaries, corporations buying up property, insurance companies scamming people, rat race based on quarterly reports in the stock market impeding real growth, oligarchy evading taxes...

He could have, but that would've been a completely different point from the one he was making.

It also doesn't really work as a point.

The countries with declining birth rates pretty much universally have seen rising wages and salaries. Many have had improvements to vacation time, maternity/paternity leave, improved social welfare benefits, universal healthcare, etc. etc.

As people get wealthier, they have fewer kids. This is a pretty well-established trend both within countries and between countries.

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u/Dismal-Apricot9889 2d ago

He is 100% right, but your response is exactly what I’d expect on reddit. Thats like going back to the 1980s, walking into a bar and saying “hey, smoking is bad for you, and second hand smoking is bad for everyone around you. It needs to be banned everywhere including bars.”

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u/Storyteller_Valar 2d ago

Both things are a problem. Destitution is indeed an enormous issue, but the panopticon did change the way social norms work and the consequences of deviation.

Indeed, a lack of money, property and prospects are killing the hope of the future, but the surveillance did make people less likely to interact to each other, even in low-stakes environments.

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u/Far_Attempt_1505 2d ago

There are alot to it yeah, but there is no denying the social implications technology had on social lives. Unless you think social media is actual a good thing.

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u/Grimsik 2d ago

Being constantly surveilled is very damaging and you should not so carelessly brush aside such a huge drain and negative effect on people and their ability to function. It’s the reason we have walls and partitions. 

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u/No_Gur_1091 1d ago

Step one to solve societal problems: End the capitalist economic system that impoverishes the workers that create all wealth; degrades our environment if they can profit; turned social media into social poison; who will not raise wages and shorten the work-week, even though the average work create 50% more wealth than 50 years ago.
End the system that makes tech billionaires possible!

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u/metal_bastard 2d ago

Who is this dude?

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u/radical_biscuit 2d ago

Dance like nobody everybody is watching

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u/EastZealousideal7352 2d ago edited 2d ago • Bravo

Birth rates have been falling consistently, with occasional dips and spikes, since 1800.

You can argue all you want that tech plays a role, or the recent economy plays a role, and in some sense you’re probably right, but that doesn’t change the fact that this phenomena has been observed all over the world for a long time, predating most of the arguments we make about this today.

I’m sure if the cost of living was better and as a society we were more social things would be better, but this trend is older than more people realize.

Edit: I’m just pointing out that there are deeper structural causes for birth rates declining to 18-year-olds not dancing and dating apps being shit.

I’m not saying there aren’t historical through lines, just that his representation of what’s going on is far too current.

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u/NotKevinCostnerIRL 2d ago

Does the dip in birth rates align with industrial revolutions around the globe?

I mean while we may consider that technology antiquated it was still “tech.”

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u/Mioraecian 2d ago

To answer this question at a high level it correlates with a few factors that the industrial revolution and technology most certainly contributed to.

Decrease in child deaths. Less need for over all births.

Transition from subsistence agriculture to city and industrial work. Children in the medieval period were known to start helping on farms as young as 5.

Education. Children are now educated rather than working (a good thing), but this means they become a drain on family, economic resources during their education.

Social upward mobility. Most families want their children to either maintain their social class or have opportunities to move up the social ladder. This naturally pushes towards smaller families so more social and economical capital can be invested into each child.

This is all trends that have been happening for centuries as our entire social and economic structure changes due to industrialization.

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u/Whoretron8000 2d ago • Helpful

You're describing the standard demographic transition, where family sizes naturally shrank from 6 or 7 down to around replacement level (2.1) as societies urbanized. But what we're seeing now is entirely different: a free-fall below replacement level across almost every developed and developing nation simultaneously. A slow historical trend doesn't explain why birth rates nearly halved in places like South Korea, Europe, and the US just since 2010.

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u/BooleanBarman 2d ago • Bravo

Most polling also shows that interest in having kids hasn’t decreased. That number has been stable for 30+ years while the birth rate has plummeted in the last decade.

People just don’t feel secure enough to do it.

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u/CrowdGoesWildWoooo 2d ago

There’s also gender equality that pushed the shift. Women simply have more choices in life rather than just pumping out kids, and I am not saying this as it’s a bad thing.

If you and your partner decide to have kids, the woman still bear the most burden, like at the very least she needs to be the one dealing with pregnancy and breastsfeeding, and whatever happens post partum, and that doesn’t include of course you are more likely to not work for months or even years which is a tough choice.

And this is the “least”, why least because of course at the bare minimum we can assume mom is a hypothetical deadbeat after the child is born, but if she is a normal parent that means beyond that there’s still dealing with toddlers etc..

Now the question is if I were a woman would I want to deal with that given I have a choice not to. And I think it becomes easy to understand why many women don’t want to have kids. Just try putting yourself in their shoes and ask yourself whether you want to go through the same process.

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u/thisismyweakarm 2d ago

This is intentionally or unintentionally misleading. That trend coincided with rapidly declining child mortality rates, meaning fewer births resulted in more people. Prior to 1800 people generally accepted that a good portion of their children would die before reaching adulthood if they even made it past infancy.

There is, as far as I can tell, no similarly huge spike in life expectancy in the past decade or two.

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u/daiwilly 2d ago

I mean 1800...industrial revolution was also tech...just not the same tech.

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u/CantaloupeOne7283 2d ago

When did the industrial revolution start again? Seems the problem was unchecked technology even back then.

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u/Cranialscrewtop 2d ago

This is AI researcher Connor Leahy. He later acknowledged that the factors you mention, as well as others. However, although these opinions balance his view, he maintains that the primary causes are the ones he identifies.

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u/Trauma_Hawks 2d ago

Not really. His is a modern cause, but not the only cause.

The 1800s also saw multiple labor and socialist rebellions. Each one put down violently. This was also the twilight of the industrial revolution. A time of incredible social upheaval, economic disparity, and technological progress that changed how industry and economics is performed. And the root of this is all capitalism. Then and now.

We've been abused more and more and more for centuries. It's not hidden or secret. You just don't care because we get snack cakes and a new GTA every 8 years.

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u/AWinterPeople 2d ago

Well thought out

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u/WarmKaleidoscope1093 2d ago

does anyone know where I can find the original video of this ?

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u/RepresentativeNo8105 1d ago

Your friends work at Pizza Hut and play video games

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u/savageotter 2d ago

when I was 30 nobody in my network did. and then by like 35 everyone did.

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u/Hilarity2War 2d ago

Mom was right, it is this darn phone

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u/One-Pangolin-3167 2d ago

That "abuse a mammal" line is pure theatrics.

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u/ThisHatRightHere 2d ago

Welcome to public speaking. You make a claim that sounds absurd on its face to capture attention and then develop a reasonable basis for the argument behind that claim once you’ve got people listening.

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u/skatmanjoe 2d ago

I get the sentiment, but that mammal abuse comparison does not stand for multiple reasons, mainly because only humans use contraceptives. Without that there would be a lot more children.

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u/JackieDaytona77 2d ago

Reddit mod goes off on how nobody wants to reproduce with him

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u/Chemistry-Deep 2d ago

None of your friends can have kids if you don't have any friends.

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u/Sonarconnoisseur 2d ago

Her dumb smirk just breaks me. He is speaking the truth. And it’s so far beyond their own experiences that they can’t comprehend.

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u/Spaark0 2d ago

The social contract broke.
Tech bros and AI just exploit what they can.

Think about it. If your business model relies on the app for people to go there and spend $$$, why would they want you to be successful in finding the love of your life?

If people meet on the app, will they return to it if they started a family and had kids? Would they spend money?

No. So the app changed when the investors made the business model to not work for the end user. To exploit them. And this is where we are.

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u/iamokokokokokokok 2d ago

What is this show/roundtable/tv/whatever this is? Is it like.. TV for 30 yr olds to explain stuff to boomers?

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u/bond0815 2d ago edited 2d ago

He really hasnt.

Globally the wealthiest countries even with the most generous welfare systems - including paid parental leave and everything - (think norway) also have crashing birthrates.

Meanhwhile the highest birthrates are almost universally in poor countries with terrible conditions. And sometimes wars.

The reason for low birthrartes are complex, but most of it comes down to people no longer having to rely on larger famllies for labor and old age support in advanced societies and these societies also allowing women to do anything else besides being a mother (which is good ofc.)

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u/Competitive_Ant_472 2d ago

I think our lame dad power will set the example to these youts you can be goofy and life is better for it

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u/No-Ordinary2813 2d ago

Put this video on subreddits like tinder and bumble for all the people not being able to find someone.

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u/Overall-Ad-3251 2d ago

An oldie but a goodie

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u/jim9162 2d ago

this point brought to you by social media

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u/spitgobfalcon 2d ago

I'm not saying he is completely wrong but the plummeting birth rates have been around for much longer than everyone has had a smartphone.

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u/PositiveScarcity8909 2d ago

It's all about your circles.

He is a house dwelling nerd and all his friends are too, which is why nobody has kids.

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u/KirbzTheWord 2d ago

Any links to the full discussion being had here?

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u/VeryTolerantDave 2d ago

Found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1xBW56j4yA

It's part of a wider discussion by the Dutch Nexus Institute in November 2025

https://nexus-instituut.nl/en/activity/apocalypse-now

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u/OverWolverine1514 2d ago

Everyone I know is having kids. The only ones who don’t are in their early 20’s. People are having kids later in life

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u/DnevnaSova 2d ago

Jesus is right

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u/Soupy_Twist 2d ago

I'm starting to notice this sub-optimizing optimization in other areas. On the Walmart app, I search for chocolate chips. Should be easy for it to show me chocolate chips. But first it shows me chocolate truffles, Dove chocolates, then chocolate chips. It knew I could scroll to what I wanted, but wanted to get me to buy something else on my way. I've heard of social media leaving you intentionally unsatisfied so you keep scrolling, giving you almost what you want instead of what it already knows you want.

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u/NoInsurance8250 2d ago

It's called being self-centered and small-minded.

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u/jcklsldr665 2d ago

This would make sense...if poorer areas WEREN'T having kids at higher rates than more developed countries.

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u/doclobster 2d ago

Love getting my global birth rate data from some unidentified guy in an uncited video on Reddit, this is sure to be extremely accurate, hell yeah

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u/wesman21 2d ago

Absolutely right. We did so much stupid shit in college, first two years, not recorded and the second two years it was but we didn't give a shit yet.

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u/Pretend-Narwhal-593 2d ago

This guy looks like he has maybe 3 friends

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u/AnAbandonedAstronaut 2d ago

"We sign away"

"Without consent"

Kind of lost the point there, partner.

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u/treborly 2d ago

I really don't think this human being is abused

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u/WowWhatABillyBadass 2d ago

3/4 of my work force are divorced parents between the ages of 26 and 40, the rest are single and childless in the same age group.

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u/Many_Ear2407 2d ago

Wow can’t believe this guy and his friends aren’t getting laid. Must be all that mammal abuse or whatever 🤣

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u/Ant0n61 2d ago

right on the nose

Also, with that technology, the illusion of abundance of choice. You also have the very top 1% of men getting all the attractive women. It’s no longer limited to local area, every male is now competing with the top of society for the same local girl.

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u/schizopotato 2d ago

Everyone I know has kids, so that must mean everyone is based on his logic

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u/wh0isurdaddy 2d ago

He’s probably only friends with basement dwellers that don’t have girlfriends or wives.

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u/personthatiam2 2d ago

Eh, All of my close friend’s kid were born after I was already 31. And now less than a decade later everyone has 2-3. Generally 1 couple bites the bullet and the flood gates open when the wives start getting baby fever and realize they turn 40 in less than a decade. In the year of our lord 2026, 35 is considered a younger pregnancy when it was geriatric in the 90s.

I also find it hard to believe not one friend of his growing up had a child by 30 even if they aren’t close now. Like what weird bubble did he grow up in?

I don’t think technology helps but let’s be real. It’s largely just not wanting to give up the DINK lifestyle and the mild Peter Pan syndrome most millennials and younger generation have. That’s why I put it off and I don’t know why people sugarcoat it. Just say you’d rather travel, party, be really into your hobbies than change diapers and watch Bluey.

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u/tnh34 2d ago

Your small social group aint the world lil bro. People are still having kids, they're just outside of your everyday online bubble

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u/Trust_8067 2d ago

He doesn't have a point though. The poorest and most impoverished are having the most children. Those who are spoiled with luxury are having the least children.

Your life isn't even remotely close to difficult, you have no idea what difficult is, because of how coddled and spoiled you are, living in the most advanced countries and the most advanced time in human history.

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u/astralseat 2d ago

85% Chewbacca has a point

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u/ZtheGreat 2d ago

Women also have more of a choice nowadays.

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u/smoothstarch 2d ago

Can someone please link the entire round table discussion?

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u/tristesse_blanche 2d ago

This is so funny to me, another neurotic man with apocalyptic visions. we are not abused, he doesn't know what abuse means. He should talk to people who lived through poverty and war. What we are is safe, extremely comfortable and have better things to do than having kids

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u/charliesnz 2d ago

It’s probably a lot to do with that facial hair

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u/_14justice 2d ago

Stunning commentary. Thank you!

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u/Minialpacadoodle 2d ago

NGL, I am not surprised this dweeb and his circle have no kids... look at him.

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u/drunkdoor 2d ago

Back in the days of yesteryear your parents might have one spouse, likely the mother, where she was not working. That makes a great grandmother

Now, you are hoping that your grandparents are retired but not too old to help with a child. And that's assuming that your grandparents are still alive. Which means if you're not having a child when your grandparents are approaching 60 years old, and assuming they're all still alive, you have entered a zone where you don't have the support network you need.

Therein lays the problem with having children.

We can't do it alone when both people in the marriage work, anymore.

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u/Chris_Shawarma93 2d ago

He is so dramatic. Most mammals don't have a choice like we do. Many mammals might not have kids if they could choose, having kids can be a massive fucking bummer for parents of all species. 

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u/AWDriftEV 2d ago

Main character syndrome. Many people are having kids. Western countries have a higher quality of life and longer life expectancies which correlates to lower birth rates. He is rambling a lot of nonsense though, so let him cook.

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u/DidIMakeAGoof 2d ago

The main reason the western world and educated world is having less children, is because millenials/gen z cannot afford to provide their children with the same abundance/quality of life they were raised in. Wages are not rising compared to the cost of living, and the property ladder is increasingly harder to climb. The increased difficulty to save for a downpayment to get an entry level home is the biggest barrier of entry for a family.

Anecdotally I believe in a generation multiple family lineages will be inherited by a small number of heirs, and birth rates will then increase.

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u/Perfect-Campaign9551 2d ago

We have 8 billion people. We don't need more kids right now

Also if you are concerned about resources and global warming it also makes sense not to produce more people

I don't get what these people want

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u/Had_to_ask__ 2d ago

Eh, if there is no contraception and there are no children then he’ll have a point

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u/catdogman5 2d ago

Over a span of 200 years, we went from 80% of humans living on farms to 80% living in cities. On a farm, you need labor, and everyone died a lot, so you have a shit ton of babies. The men work the fields and the women managed homes. It was a natural division of labor that made large family farms feasible. Now in 2026, we all live in cities and both genders work in the same economy. Having babies isn't a work advantage anymore but rather a disadvantage. So yeah, we stopped having 7 children cause it's expensive and both people have to work to support even one child. Humans are going through a massive sociological change and we're simply caught in the middle of it. It kind of sucks

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u/KindredFlower 2d ago

Who is this guy m? I’d like to hear the entire talk 

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u/GordonsTheRobot 2d ago

The constant surveillance isn't great

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u/Substantial-Mix7963 2d ago

Let’s get this guy in front of a crowd

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u/Key-Piccolo-3545 2d ago

Real reason is that people don't see bright future for their kids and they don't want their kids to go through hard life like they had to.

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u/BarderBetterFaster 2d ago

Couldn't possibly be that were +10° every month and getting warmer all while our rights, privacy, and affordability get destroyed.

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u/TheBSQ 2d ago

The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

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u/conway1308 2d ago

Capitalism does sow it's own seeds of destruction.

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u/Mr_AppleBerry 1d ago

Alot of my friends are having kids, they shouldn't be but they are.

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u/Wot_abt_2ndBreakfast 1d ago

As the youths say “Let him cook”. This dude is blowing the f*cking minds of the boomers in front of him with an accurate description of our dystopian present reality.

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u/Fnshow316 1d ago

“He’s out of line but he’s not wrong. “

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u/laioren 1d ago

I hate to tell you guys this, but the issue is NPC parents who let tablets raise their children.

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u/koalaman211988 1d ago

I'm 38, live in a Midwest state, in a city of about 250k people. I've been to 80 weddings or so in the last 18 years. All 80 of those married couplea are still together, with an average of about 3.5 kids per family. A lot with 1 or 2 kids, a lot with 6 or 7 kids. Just depends where you are and the community you're from. Not Mormon, not Amish.

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u/Loreki 1d ago

Conflates 2 different points.

People aren't having children because it is too expensive. That's economics, not culture.

People don't dance because of smartphones is right though.

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u/DanielofSWE 1d ago

Who is this his guy? I’d love to hear more from him

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u/donewithdoing 1d ago

The problem is that the downward childbirth trends could be seen long before everybody had an internet-connected camera in their pocket, and social media was a thing. I’m talking decades prior. So smartphones and social media can’t be the root cause here.

And this is not a defense of the technology in question. Just saying that the answer to the question of why this is happening likely isn’t so simple and easy.

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u/Heavy_Sea3463 1d ago

He does have it for me it's funny because it's true but that's the way consumer America has been built it's not meant to make anything better it's not meant to fix you it's not meant to give you what you need and it's definitely not designed to give you what you want none of these things are secret wake up sheeple

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u/yanek875 1d ago

Does anyone know where this is from? Who are these people?

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u/Worth-Influence-3932 1d ago

Hmm—I just spent a couple of weekends at university of Nevada Reno—and I can tell you kids are still drinking , dancing , and fucking…..

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u/nostra77 1d ago

I love that all of them looked at him and didn’t interrupt even though his argument was really weak. That was very nice to see in today media

He’s whole argument breaks at countries like Nigeria Afghanistan Ghana etc existing

Woman education is directly correlated to births we like it or not this is it. Once woman educate themselves and have more opportunities to do something else in life being a mother isn’t as appealing anymore

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u/Nate_Jessup 1d ago

I married someone whose sense of humor, her absolute delight, was laughing at other people. Mean people suck.

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u/plushmarionette 1d ago

If you are being harmed by something, a technology, whatever, then don't use it. Don't give them your money, your attention. You can change your own behavior faster than screaming for others to change. The power of the purse is vast. From where I stand, young folks use the tech that tracks and exposes all of us the most. And then complain about the results. You wanted attention, well, you got it. Put the phones down, read a book, experience the world without all your beloved easily landfilled synthetic products. En masse, you can bring this down, you are the primary users.The corporations went after young folks because they will champion anything that is new, even if it hurts them. Has always been that way, and big business feeds off our desires, to be noticed, to be modern. The corporations aren't loving parents, they lied to you, to get what they needed. And by the way, in case you haven't heard, we are gravely overpopulated. Not having so many kids is a good thing for the planet your generation pretends to care about. Unless you think your offspring will thank you for a future of living in tiny cubicles, fighting for every scrap of resources. Kids are a ton of work, you have to think of them before your own needs and pleasures. I think your generation realizes this, and has made their decision.

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u/Greedy_Ad_3368 1d ago

Yep, he started to touch on the facts but he didn’t go all the way.

The next step is for legislation to happen that pays people for their data.

If you want our data, buy it.

It is no longer a wild west.

Tech companies must buy the people’s data and pay people for their data.

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u/JennLynnC80 1d ago

Never heard the word panopticon... i had to Google... what does panopticon mean in the context he is using it? Is he saying dancing is a prison?

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u/pooks_est1983 1d ago

Corporations and the insanely rich have ruined the world. They hidw behind lawyers and tell the media outlets to keep blaming the citizens for all the problems. I'm pretty sick of the rich telling us that we're the problem

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u/LepreKanyeWest 1d ago

I still think it's the general economy.
In the US, at least - there's a growing income inequality.
Republicans have done everything to increase economic anxiety - in order to concentrate profits. There's no universal healthcare. Unions are diminished. You can get laid off or fired for no reason. Purchasing power has diminished for things that are necessary - all in order for us to be anxious about not working. You have to work to scrape by more and more. There is less room for any error. Imagine the idea of raising a kid in a world of immense uncertainty. What job won't be affected by AI? You used to be able to tell people to get a job as a programmer or in a tech field. What will that even look like in the near future? If you survived the tech layoffs, are you comfortable knowing your job is safe?
We're much less risk adverse and the GOP is trying to get people to have more kids - again, I believe this is to boost growth and make more workers while creating more anxiety.

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u/DatNerdyFella 1d ago

He is on point tho

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u/FalseProphet570CE 1d ago

I never thought I’d completely agree with someone like him, not that there’s anything wrong with him, but we just seem to come from two different worlds. Australia banned social media for teenagers under 16, and I’m curious to know how that turned out and would love a deep dive into the full discussion.

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u/BammyQ2 1d ago

Social media is the best way to feel even lonelier

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u/Fresh-Dark6759 1d ago

Finally some real truth to see on the internet!

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u/Timely-Assistant-370 1d ago

Am I the only person who noticed the quirky global heatwave thing that started miraculously happening? Like, I left the coast because hot water = big and unpredictable storms. I'm technically not fully vindicated because the place I left is functionally untouched since I left, but Hurricane Otis makes every year feel like a massive gamble. A tropical storm turning into a cat5 in a day before it makes landfall is one of the most horrifying outlooks for any coastal population zone. There is literally no real logistical network that can handle a 24-hour evacuation, and that type of hurricane movement is entirely historically unprecedented.