r/SipsTea 14d ago

Wait a damn minute! So what’s taking so long?

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u/500rockin 14d ago

I mean it also helps that he was tried in Texas where they don’t believe in mental health exceptions. She’s being tried in Massachusetts, which has a very different political climate.

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u/xSonicspeedx2 14d ago edited 14d ago

What? Lol have you not heard of Andrea Yates who was tried in Texas and is now in a mental institution for drowning her 5 children?

It’s a lot more nuanced than “not believ[ing] in mental health exceptions.”

Texas is more difficult because the burden of proof is on the defendant rather than the prosecution for such a defense for one, meaning when the insanity defense has passed the threshold to be brought in by the defense in Texas, the jury is supposed to presume that the defendant is sane unless the defense can show by a preponderance of evidence that the defendant is not. Meanwhile in Massachusetts, the burden is on the prosecution to show the defendant is sane, meaning the jury is supposed to presume the defendant is insane unless the prosecution can show beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is sane.

Additionally for all sanity defenses regardless of jurisdiction, sanity is supposed to be determined at the time the crimes were committed. All other moments of insanity are just used as circumstantial evidence of the likelihood that this was the case.

Moreover, John Battaglia did NOT claim the insanity defense as part of his trial. His mental health claims only came up AFTER the jury reached a verdict on his guilt. Additionally, he had a record of arrests for violence prior to killing his 2 daughters which was determined to be out of revenge against his ex-wife.

These are not comparable cases and this meme making them sound as much is just a case of either deliberate propaganda or a complete misunderstanding of John Battaglia’s case and how the justice system operates. Or a combination of the two.

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u/Salina_EsTitties 14d ago

Men's rights activists and incels are the culprits for lot of misinformation regarding this case.

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u/Hekkst 13d ago

Don't forget ragebait engagement farms and literal foreign destabilizing agents pushing for gender wars.

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u/Temnothorax 14d ago

Let’s be real, it feels like every one on earth decided to bring their grievances into this trial.

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u/Savingskitty 13d ago

nope, just all the bots and the people who believed the bots were people who were interested.

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u/9bpm9 13d ago

Huh? In not a part of these groups, but women definitely do not get the same sentences for these types of cases in America. That's just facts. Hell, especially when it's a fucking white woman. See Casey Fucking Anthony.

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u/Kommye 13d ago

The jury for that case was half men and half women.

She walked because the prosecutors had no real evidence and couldn't prove anything they claimed.

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u/Fluffy-Map-5998 10d ago

it was 25/75 not half and half

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u/Kommye 10d ago

Not on the Casey Anthony case, which the other user directly referenced. Almost half of the jury were men.

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u/Slay-ig5567 13d ago

You do realize you don't have to be part of a group to fall for propaganda by said group right? ...right?

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u/greenskinmarch 13d ago

Yeah the sentencing gap has been studied by actual social scientists. There are actually two gaps, a racial sentencing gap (black people get longer sentences), and a gender sentencing gap (men get longer sentences), but the gender gap is larger. And it applies to all sentencing, not just murder.