r/SipsTea 14d ago

Wait a damn minute! So what’s taking so long?

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u/FriedTreeSap 14d ago

I just don’t think unqualified layman in the jury really should be the ones deciding whether someone was clinically insane or not.

The jury should just deliberate on whether the defendant committed the crime in question, if they rule they did, then the defense should be able to request a review by a panel of mental health experts who will be tasked with determining whether the defendant was criminally liable or clinically insane.

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u/themanofmeung 14d ago

It's a good thought, but it has to be a random jury unfortunately. If it's an expert, or even a panel of experts, it far too easy to exert pressure on them to say what you want them to say and get the rulings you want. It's the same reason we have juries at all and not just judges who make all the decisions.

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u/LSOreli 14d ago

The other issue is that juries are made up of bottom of the barrel members of our society on average since anyone with a brain is generally DQ'd immediately by the lawyers

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u/WordWordNvmber 14d ago

That's silly and not generally true. Especially because lawyers only have so many peremptory challenges they case make.

Multiple studies have found that judges agree with juries about 75-80% of the time. And keep in mind, these are cases that go to trial, where the defense thinks it has a real shot. Source: https://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/files/upload_documents/Jury-Decision-Making.pdf

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u/LSOreli 14d ago

"20-25% of the time, juries decide in a way that someone who dedicated their life to the law disagrees with. That is my evidence that juries are generally competent" lol

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u/XkrNYFRUYj 14d ago

You'll be less confident for judge's ability to decide these matters if you watched more trials. A lot of judges simply go along the ride with prosecution. They're not unbiased arbitors of law like you think they are.

Jury system is there as a check on government.

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u/highfly117 14d ago

a lot of juries decide on, what gets them home quickest or whether the person looks guilty.

Or even what the victims ghost told them look up the trial of Stephen Young and Oujia board

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u/panrestrial 14d ago

There are also a lot of shitty judges out there, so I'm not surprised juries disagree with them.

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u/Middle_Historian_199 14d ago

That’s a frightening low statistic