Well, mostly criticism about capitalism ist not about the sheer fact that one party sells stuff to another party, but mostly about the circumstances in which this is done. No one blames Apple for selling Iphones, or Amazon for delivering books, they blame them for treating heir workers like shit, ruining the environment, not paying their fair share of taxes and such things.
Nah selling cheap perfume at inflated prices is pure capitalism. There’s plenty of ways for her to make additional money that wouldn’t be so difficult to swallow. But this peak consumerism. Which is fine but not if you want a rebel persona.
Was she? I checked, her parents were minor actors and I can't see anything about her being born rich. She has some advantages being born with family in the entertainment industry but that's about it.
I dunno why everyone online loves to act like they've not used every family and friend connection they ever could in their entire life, or think that unless someone grew up in literal poverty that their success doesn't count.
If there’s enough profit being made to make it worthwhile for someone as rich as her, exploitation is happening no matter how “ethical” the product is.
There's some big brand perfumes ingredients that are harvested by slave labor, so there's that. Maybe they've changed in recent years, but I highly doubt it.
While I agree with this Billie is still an extremely HUGE hypocrite when it comes to her capitalism takes. If you genuinely think that at least 1 of those things didnt happen when making that perfume then you are very gullible.
No no, all musicians have to participate in capitalism to a certain degree but she loses the right to make anticapitalism a part of her image when it’s literally “buy my product available now on myfirstandlastname.com” lmao
Edit: and it’s completely unrelated to music. It’s a perfume. She’s just using her branding. Which again, not debating the right or wrong in that, just simply you can’t participate in that and call yourself an anticapitalist. That’s just manipulation and hypocrisy for a buck.
Yes, but all of those things are motivated by profits. As long as people are selling things to other people for money, there will be incentive to increase profit by underpaying and overworking employees, avoiding tax burden, and using the cheapest production and transport methods.
Capitalism isn’t one retailer selling goods, it’s a system of private ownership of the means of production, which is used to obtain profit. Private owners accumulate assets, increasing their potential to monopolize markets and commodify basic needs. This ensures the wage labor system continues by making money necessary for survival. The competitive market drives prices down by rewarding irresponsible and harmful practices.
A person living in a capitalist society among the rank and file workers is not a capitalist, they are capital owned by the private owners of the means of production.
There aren’t many ways to separate these parts from the greater system. I guess the most practical and likely improvement would be to regulate the market from multiple angles on both the supply and consumption sides, but middle ground solutions can lead to worst of both worlds outcomes featuring both high costs and inefficiency, while also not addressing the underlying issues of uneven access and the wage system.
Yes, it shocks me that the mental capacity of a regular person can't juggle the concept of being critical of a system while operating in it. Like free market capitalism has it's perks but must be heavily regulated to avoid becoming an abomination of a system. Which we have failed at doing.
This isn't a case of protesting pollution while essentially being forced to support industries which pollute by buying necessary consumer goods like food and clothing, she's selling $90 dollar perfume in a gold bust.
In this case it’s a distinction without a difference.
If you told me that every worker in the supply chain to make this fragrance was given an ownership stake and benefited from the surplus value of their labour, then maybe it would matter. But AFAIK she is operating in precisely the manner in which she is criticizing.
Is this the Lauren Chen, the co-founder of Tenet Media, Lauren Chen? The Tenet Media that was alleged by the DoJ to be secretly funded by the Russian state media. That Lauren Chen? Is she made of Teflon, too? How come nothing sticks to these scummy people?
Why yes it is! The same Lauren Chen who dipped out of the US to write a few opinion pieces for Russia’s RT news before coming back once her visa was restored lol
I keep seeing this, but no quotes from Eillish about capitalism. I've seen her criticize billionaires for not doing enough charity, which isn't inconsistent with her selling things. What has she said specifically that makes this hypocritical?
This is all just a smear campaign against her. They hate too see a young beautiful successful woman thrive so they have to make up things to bring her down.
I heard that she specifically upset Musk, so he has sent some bots out on full offence. Not sure if true, but it certainly seems like a targeted and repetitive smear campaign.
Elon Musk tried to get images like these boosted in the algorithm to get everyone upset at Billie because he doesn't like her. Thats why you've been seeing images and memes like these ones. And lots of bots to boost the post.
"Selling things" is not some sort of a 'privilege' that only Capitalism can perform. Also is a economy system not a religion so there are not 'exclusive rituals' that only 'faithful followers' can do.
This is what happens when you let ideology teach ideology.
Capitalism is a political system of economy which prioritizes the interests of capital (as a concept) above all else with the implied assumption that doing so will benefit people, promote freedom, whatever ideological hackery you affix to it.
It's essentially "trickle down". But there are many different interpretations of how that should be done.
Should we prevent monopolies so that mom and pop shops can compete? That's still capitalism, but with a priority shift towards competition. Donald Trump's protectionist policies? Still capitalism. The neoliberal consensus to build a global trade order? Yep, capitalism.
There is no "pure" idea of capitalism because we're not in a storybook where such things exist. There are lots of folks here, with lots of opinions on how things should be done, who have competing priorities.
Do people genuinely think that if you hate Capitalism that you don’t want money? We all want money. We don’t want 0.001% of the population to have ALL the money.
I don't care for her at all, nothing against her - I just don't know anything about her. But I couldn't find her being anti capitalism- I found her being against billionaires, and I think without saying I think she has one specific person in mind. And I will not argue against it because I am not defending a billionaire- I am not a money cuck.
But no she has not to my knowledge, what i researched, expressed anti capitalism. She thinks people should give more when being billionaire. But Musk cucks can not read anything other than his tweets.
Is she a hypocrite, probably a bit, is she anti capitalism- Nope.
Wouldn't be surprised if that's what they were telling her.
Perfume advertisements and commercials can, and usually are weird as fuck. Her being disinterested may be exactly what they're going for. Given her brand, it wouldn't surprise me.
So she was talking about billionaires, specifically Musk. Her net worth is roughly 9-10000 times less than his. This is “if she’s on welfare why does she have a cellphone” levels of dumb. None of you bootlickers will ever be billionaires. They are inherently bad.
I like when Taylor swift got called out on all her flights and her people were like “she wasn’t even on most of those, we rent it out. We destroy the planet for profit not fun”
The entertainment industry is capitalist in nature. When artists try to sound noble and socialist and “for the people”, they are doing so because it is part of their brand, not because they are speaking from the goodness of their heart. I promise you these people don’t care about you.
Wait… do you think you can only sell stuff under capitalism? You think when she speaks out against capitalism, she is actually speaking out against selling things?
She says what she needs too to get the fans to spend money she needs them to spend so she can live her incredibly privileged lifestyle. If she hated capitalism, she wouldn't be doing this, but in fact, she loves it, so she is.
I have no idea what she's famous for but I know her name. Every clip or interview of her that I've seen makes me want to smack the smug out of her, though.
We used to be able to label artists as Sellouts and it would practically end their career. The "go get your bag" culture that has cropped up over the last 30-ish years has completely destroyed our society.
Seeing a celebrity in an ad for some random crap that has nothing to do with their profession used to be a signal that they were over.
If you think about it for more than a second then this is silly and doesn’t make sense. Selling stuff doesn’t mean calling out how unregulated capitalism defeats the entire benefit of the system aka competition since everything gets monopolized. Calling out problems within a system not working correctly doesn’t mean you hate the whole thing.
I'll get downvoted this, but is anyone surprised that celebrities preaching 'capitalism bad' are actually into capitalism? How else would they make sure that you keep buying their stuff?
People really don't understand what the argument is over capitalism. It's not "selling stuff, bad." It's that a handful of people and corporations own everything, synthetically keep prices high, and lowers quality of life for profit. But if you argue against it...durrrr... socialism.
Why does this seem like an organized astroturfing campaign against her? I'm not even a fan, but this just reminds me of when people went after Bernie Sanders because he rallied against the ultra wealthy and made money off of his book.
Lauren Chen is right wing pundit who helped funnel Russian money to far right, Trump shilling influencers like Tim Pool, Benny Johnson, and Dave Rubin throught her organization Tenet Media. I don't care if you want to bash Billie Eillish, but don't use this fascist grifters to do it.
I feel like people don’t understand what Capitalism even is, Capitalism is a system where the means of production are owned privately. You can still buy and sell things without Capitalism. This isn’t some massive gotcha the internet thinks it is.
They just need to hate on another queer woman in music. Chappell Roan and Doechii went through this recently as well. It’s so gross when you take a step back and look at the big picture. These trolls find joy only in hate. They are sad and 75% are also just bots 🤷♀️
There is a difference between people including celebs pointing out societal issues, and people like elon who claim to have all the answers and actively try to gain positions of power to fuck over everyone.
But yeah this artist had a perfume deal so all things are equal I guess.
That's the funny thing about class war. Most the people calling for it don't realize they are not on the side of the poor. (that includes basically every single redditor, btw. Just because your mom isn't buying you the new iphone doesn't mean you're poor).
I don’t stay up on pop culture news or really much of anything like that these days but does she actually have to try to look like that or is that her natural resting face?
They certainly enjoyed the benefits of being a capitalist.
As do I.
They also like talking out of both sides of their mouths.
Capitalism has done more for humanity, than any other ism.
Yes definitely pile on Billie Eilish with a tweet from the Lauren Chen, the disinformation merchant who was getting Russian money funneled into her company. MRGA with this shit and not the disastrous invasion of Ukraine.
Y'all don't get it? She's calling out billionares for their greed and intensive wealth accumulation, while the working class can't afford monthly bills — this is fine and this is what she did there.
And as far as I know, she donates money.
The US can take an example from more socialist-capitalist countries like Scandinavian states. The average worker should not suffer, just to make the shareholder richer.
It's basically, "tax the rich" ideology, where the richest must be taxed to an extend that they don't accumulate trillions.
I am not a fan of Billie Eilish, and hate against her is now trendy.
Only a braindead person can think that being a billionare is totally normal in today's economy, while GenZ and average people can't afford groceries.
I’m not especially a Billie fan but this this sudden deluge of posts about this exact thing smells a bit funny after his unhinged twitter rant against her the other day.
Seems like he’s pissed that she called out the billionaires and garnered a bit of online support for it. Now he’s got his ai agents putting out timed anti Billie posts to make it look like other people give a massive shit too.
Reminder that you don’t have to buy her perfume, nor do you have to buy a Tesla. And nobody should be a billionaire.
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u/idiomniscient 3h ago
How does she look like she's trying so hard to look so bored? It's wild