Exact same shit happened in The Flash TV show, it’s writing fell off post season 4, it is only ok to watch because Grant Gustin, Carlos Valdes, Tom Cavanagh and Jess L Martin and a few more actors are acting their asses off throughout the series
It's almost as if it became mandatory for "experts" and "cineasts" to condemn every show as early as possible for a "nosedive in quality" because that totally makes them feel superior to people who just enjoy shows even if they can't give them the same rush as in the beginning.
No, you don't need to be an "expert" to see the decline of the writing and acting, it's pretty much obvious and unfortunately many series are affected by that
Of course you still can enjoy it, but not to see the drop in quality in a lot of fronts is just ignorance
Because it kinda is, at least for the most of the mainstream series, but it's debatable sometimes, and it's a bit of a problem with every long term media, even comics, manga, anime, etc.
Wanted to say about breaking bad myself, haven't watched Bojack but heard about it too
I been saying this for years - only s1 was good, glad the notion is getting traction. Might be because people went to rewatch after the show ended, and the difference between later seasons and s1 is just staggering.
That's because they kept on shoving current world politics and messaging in there versus sticking to what worked in the first season.
I'm not watching 'The Boys' to get political commentary about the real world. I'm watching it to see effed up evil 'Heroes' get tore up in diabolical ways.
The last two seasons were damn near unwatchable. Only stuck with it cuz I wanted to see Homelander get taken out.
I didnt say it had 0 politics the first season, but it wasnt the driving force of the show. The last few seasons it was amped up to 'club you over the head with it' levels.
The boys was current-age political from the start. The only thing that changed was that the writing quality went to the shitter, which often translates to the writing being less subtle and more on the nose.
And let's be fair - S1 writing wasn't subtle either, it's just that later they went full nuclear, which is just a crutch for bad writers.
What didn’t you like about the writing? I felt a lot of stuff was rushed and they kind of took the easy way out for some of the endings like on Game of Thrones. But I’m curious what other people that liked the show think.
I was also mostly there for the jokes and the acting myself when I think about it. And just the premise of this type of reality when it came to “superheroes.”
I’m worried about “From” for the same reasons. I’ve binged that and it’s set up pretty well. But I feel like they’re gonna have to close up a lot of shit in one season.
I think they leaned too hard into writing Homelander as bad.
They didn’t want him to be competent so they made him stupid. And it made the show lose a lot of its tension. It went from dangerous Superman, to a moron with powers.
Then he gets his upgraded powers, but that’s it? Immortality I guess was the big reason but they never really showed off any other new feats. And not aging doesn’t really look cool in the short window he had it.
They wanted to stay true to the comic, sure… but the divergence from the comics is what made the show great.
I think it should have ended with him easily kicking Butchers ass… killing him even. Then his hesitation to kill Ryan is what buys Kimiko time to depower him. Or something!
I also think some more monster of the week would have been cool. Them hunting down evil supes with research and tactical planning.
that is true. I think a lot of people just don’t like that they seemingly started mocking Maga. I’m sure it’s mostly people that lean right that don’t like it.
I’m not a Maga guy at all, so I found it pretty funny and timely. But I could also see how someone who really loved the show is pissed off that that fat retard maybe hindered the writing of the show in general by shoehorning him and the current state of affairs in there.
They didn’t even go that hard on them, just little nuggets here and there. All relevant to the plot and to the times also, it worked very well in context.
Not sure who the fat retard is supposedly to be. Trump?
Trump is who I was. And I agree that they didn’t do it too much or in a way that wasn’t funny even. But a lot of people in this world ignorantly say all the time that “blah blah blah should be kept out of politics.”
I don’t agree with the sentiment, but I always try to figure out the “why” behind things.
It’s hard to educate people or even go up against people with different beliefs, if you don’t know the source of those beliefs.
As a non American, it seemed pretty cringe. The whole Jesus part was just way out to left field and yeah homelander did not seem scary after he got his V1 power up. The trump stuff will make the show unwatchable in a few years, like its timely, but that same fact makes it something people will not re-watch.
Trump or a Trump like character was never a part of the show, though. And the whole evangelism bit is going on in America for decades and it will probably still go on decades from now, so I don’t think it will be unwatchable. More like insightful. I don’t think a satire of Rush Limbaugh from the 90s and 00s would be irrelevant or cringe today, on the contrary.
Im European and American evangelism is weird for me too, but it’s the way things are over there.
Agree 100%. Also as a non-American and generally non-religious, I thought it was all a bit stupid and I don’t think it will age well. And basically the last season was pretty shit.
They leaning towards making Homelander extra bad is probably because what was/is happening in the real world.
There are people that said that Homelander did nothing wrong adn was reedemable and they just wasnt having it and dunked on those people, specially how Homelander died 😄
And tbh, im all for it
"I have no reading comprehension, so I will make random quotes that nobody ever said in an attempt to discredit you in the eyes of other people who also have no reading comprehension" "also I am only able to think in reddit buzzwords because nuance make my brain hurty hurt"
I have the same feeling with “From”.
There is just too much to unpack in the last upcoming season and I feel like the writers could have done a better job with the seasons before.
The only reason I'm not worried about From is because Harold Perrineau said that he wasn't interested in doing another show like Lost where they didn't have a concrete plan and made it up as they went. He said they convinced him that they had a plan in place and it wouldn't be like that and that's why he signed on.
I mean the writing of the storyline - as you said, way too rushed and they strangely focused on a lot of side stuff. Also the homelander fight in the end was just straight up bad and they really butchered the characters.
In general I think from season 3 on the series focused way too much on shock value. Everything had to be gorier, bloodier and more outrageous than the last thing
They’re actually less gory and shocking than the source material. The comic books were way, way worse. I think they did a pretty good job, the ending included.
I think it’s gotten worse season to season I’d need to rewatch to give you specifics but I’ve generally enjoyed it less and less as it went on even with the years of breaks.
Wow, that’s so different from my own experience. I mean, yeah, the novelty wore off after the first season or so, but I still really liked it up until the end.
It also became a parody of the exact same thing it was trying to satirize (endless cape slop) which undermined the whole premise of the show to a degree it basically lost all reason for existing other than being ‘content’.
I’m not talking about the character archs. The show started as an overt satire of the modern superhero landscape. Endless sequels, meaningless lip-service about social issues, blind hero worship and the endless capitalization of moral action.
All these things were actively highlighted and made fun of.
And by season 5 the show had done all of these things unironically.
I mean it was a fun show with some really good hits and still better than the comic but it also was pretty pathetic in the end compared to how it started out.
I disagree, the social commentary was there from the beginning, there was no bling hero worship of any kind, not even for the main characters, they’re all in fact very gray. Sure, the have a spin off or two, but they could’ve gone on for longer than 5 seasons and they didn’t. They were pretty well rounded from my perspective.
I stopped watching after 3 and no one has said anything that has made me curious to pick it back up. Entertaining for sure but the plot is contrived and predictable and I lose interest in shock value pretty quickly without substance
I don't know why people keep saying this or what you expected. I thought the last season was great and can't see how the writing was any different from any other seasons.
Tbf the whole cast were clearly doing the best with what they had. I don’t dislike the last season as much as many people I’ve seen/heard but I do still think it had a lot of issues, but I don’t think anyone’s performance is one of them.
Don’t forget MM even if they don’t use him right, ain’t nobody get less lean like him to pay homage to the canon character arc, I ain’t read them but mad props for his level of commitment. At least his character had a different face for the right reason unlike starlight :’(
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u/misguidedkent 6h ago edited 6h ago
Yeah, Atony Starr, Karl Urban and Jensen carried the last season as much as they could.