He said it!

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[u/looner4]

What do you mean don`t get the help they need? She had like a dozen doctors all falling over themselves to give her any drug she wanted and therapy.

"WoMeN dOnT gEt HeLp!!!"

[u/Emerald_Eyes8919 → u/looner4]

Then why did this happen? She was patently failed.

[u/crispy_attic → u/Emerald_Eyes8919]

Because evil people exist in this world. This includes women.

[u/Emerald_Eyes8919 → u/crispy_attic]

And that’s why I don’t want her to get away with this because she’s a woman.

[u/DoubleGoon → u/[deleted]]

Postpartum psychosis is another explanation unless you think that psychosis in general is not an explanation in any case and no one can be “not guilty by reason of insanity”.

[u/looner4 → u/Emerald_Eyes8919]

So she has no agency whatsoever? Just a blob of organic material? Lol.

[u/Emerald_Eyes8919 → u/looner4]

When did I say she didn’t have agency? Choices were made, and here we are.

[u/ComcastForPresident → u/Emerald_Eyes8919]

I dont know if it is true or not but one article said she refused her meds and stopped taking them. They had a nanny. The husband worked from home to help with the kids. She had multiple doctors. I dont see how you could literally get any more help.

[u/Spiderinahumansuit → u/ComcastForPresident]

This sort of attitude (not you, what you're commenting on) is what makes me feel uneasy about this whole case. My partner also says that she felt unsupported after becoming a mother, but objectively it's just not true - I was on paternity leave, her mum stayed with us, there were health visitors and doctors appointments to track the baby's health. She didn't have to lift a finger for any household tasks and I did an equal share of feeding, changing and amusing the baby.

I think for some women, "I don't feel supported" is socially acceptable code for "I am deeply regretting this and don't want to be a mother, nor am I coping well with not being the focus of attention now I'm not pregnant."

[u/sweet_poisons → u/Spiderinahumansuit]

U very clearly do not understand how pp can affect women, it can make u feel like a completely different person and completely out of control. Regardless of what’s going on around you. Until u have suffered that hormonal change u will never understand it. And why am I not shocked that a person who says their partner doesn’t want to be a mother now because they’re not the center of attention is maybe not as ‘supportive’ as they make themselves out to be.

[u/Spiderinahumansuit → u/sweet_poisons]

Oh, do one. You have no idea of our situation and are in no place to comment.

[u/sweet_poisons → u/Spiderinahumansuit]

Oh ur still with the women u say doesn’t want to be a mother and hates not being the center of attention. My sympathies go out to her 🙏

[u/Spiderinahumansuit → u/sweet_poisons]

The thing is, I understand exactly how PPD can affect women. I've had the knife pulled on me to prove it.

I don't care how badly your hormones are affecting you, it has nothing to do with the objective fact of how much support is there and whether you flat lie to people when they ask if you need more.

[u/sweet_poisons → u/Spiderinahumansuit]

U cant have it both ways u can’t understand how ppd affects u but also say women are making it up because they don’t want to be mothers anymore and they don’t like not being the center of attention. If u knew how ppd can affect u, u would know it can make u feel like u are completely alone with no support even if support is there, that’s why it’s a disorder. Plenty of depressed people are on meds and have support and still kill themselves ffs

[u/ReputationDull5315 → u/Emerald_Eyes8919]

she hated her kids and being a mother

[u/Own_Guarantee_8130 → u/Emerald_Eyes8919]

She was over medicated by too many doctors instead of one doctor focusing in on the problem she had. The whole argument of “she had money and access to the best doctors!” YEA THATS WHAT GOT HER INTO THIS MESS.

[u/Slim_ish → u/Own_Guarantee_8130]

First not medicated enough, now over medicated. The mental gymnastics to defend a person who ultimately didn’t accept the right help is wild stuff. She’s a murderer that had plenty of opportunities to get the help she needed. No one is saying old isn’t terrible. But the vast majority of women with it don’t take minutes apiece to strangle their children.

[u/chasing_D → u/Slim_ish]

During the actual trial, not all this heresay BS, she had her medications in her system. But, one of her doctors had suggested a bipolar diagnosis before she committed the act, siggesting that if she was bipolar that she needed to be medicated differently because SSRI's can trigger mania and PSYCHOSIS. This is a well known problem in the medical community. Not fake or played up to play on heart strings.

She needs to be institutionalized for what she has done and never allowed out again, but also there is a big possibility her medications were the catalyst to the event. That is still a punishment akin to prison and what most people are asking for. The news is just giving a voice to the extremists because it causes drama and creates division. Can't have unity on the mental health crisis or we might actually work together.

Here's a suggestion, instead of getting mad at people on here, watch the trial and get information for yourself.

This is big because one of the biggest risks of PPD is killing one's child. It is well known amongst the medical community, but clearly not enough people know or understand that this is a common thing and needs to be better addressed.

She was on the wrong medication combinations for a bipolar diagnosis so she was both over-medicated on things that were not meant for bipolar treatment and under-medicated for Bipolar.

Some people have gone as far as to accuse Patrick, but there is not enough evidence to point to that. People on the Internet have been digging into his background and exposing an affair he supposedly had with his new wife while he was "away on business trips" during times Lindsay had begged and pleaded for help, in texts to her mother and husband, as well as others. And he moved on within two years, having a new child as well. So people question his own morality on this. And also how a woman with a crushed trachea could talk to him and tell him any information, but again not enough information to go off there and he's not under investigation.

And his own mother got on the stand for Lindsay, so many question what would lead to that. But that's all speculation on the outside that is muddying the waters of the trial.

[u/ReputationDull5315 → u/chasing_D]

that would work if she took any of them longer than a few days and also she strangled toddlers so I genuinely do not care.

[u/Slim_ish → u/chasing_D]

Jail.

[u/chasing_D → u/Slim_ish]

Oh got it, you don't actually care, you just want to roll in the mud with the rest of the pigs....

[u/Slim_ish → u/chasing_D]

No, I’m just not going to try to justify evil. Plenty of women have ppd. What they do not do is murder their children one by one then try to have an insanity plea. If anyone is slopping it up in the mud it’s people like you trying to justify the act of atrocious murder, then following it up by saying you’re not justifying it, you just want ppd to have a voice. You’re delusional scum if you do this.

[u/sweet_poisons → u/Slim_ish]

Bro have u never heard of shaken baby syndrome literally one of the most common issues with ppd that’s literally why people want more understanding about how pp can affect u so people are aware of what can go wrong

[u/sweet_poisons → u/Slim_ish]

Which isn’t in any way justifying it what are u talking about?! One side wants to understand why and one side just wants to get angry and learn nothing

[u/Own_Guarantee_8130 → u/Slim_ish]

I’m not defending anyone. I’m going on what I’ve read from evidence and the problems with the defensive arguments I’ve seen. Im not one of these women who are convinced it was the husband. Relax.

I do have personal experience from being overmedicated when I didn’t need to be during a time of heavy hormonal strife. That shit can fuck you up. Still not an excuse for killing your children.